GUILTY UK - Arthur Labinjo Hughes, 6, killed, dad & friend arrested, June 2020 #3

[suebaloo]

I just hope the Jury don't fall for the "poor me" story TH put out.

He knew in his first police interview he had been copped and admitted to everything. Only when he found out ET committed the actual assault then he saw a way out.

I was disappointed in his brother and I feel it could really sway the jury especially they way Arthur would shout out for him to rescue him.

I know families often find ways to justify things after events like these. But to call him a good dad that was just caught up by a woman and it was Arthur and TH against the world is just not true in any logical sense.

He was a frustrated man-boy who lived in his parents garage. He took full custody of Arthur and had abused, tortured and killed him within a year.

There is no doubt in my mind that there was alot of abuse going on in that annexe way before they left for ET house and the family knew it albeit not the full extent. Thats why they had a big bust up at Christmas.

TH was the main abuser. He may have done it to please ET but it was clear he was setting the rules and dishing out the punishment.

To pretend TH was a victim of any sort is really a disservice to Arthur's memory.

I do think that TH is guilty as sin. But I also think that ET was getting away with a lot of abuse behind his back. I don't think he knew the full extent of it because she would blame it on Arthur having "thrown himself around" and up walls etc. etc. (I still don't know what she means by that, it's weird terminology.) She was telling TH a lot of lies including "he copped me in the stomach" shortly after she had assaulted Arther for the final time. If you watch the footage of him putting his bedding away and how weak he was that morning, he was clearly incapable of "copping" anyone or anything. She used the "he copped me in the stomach" line to wind up TH because she was pregnant and she knew that if she mentioned Arthur was threatening the unborn baby, he would get beaten. I think she constantly fabricated Arthur's transgressions so that he would be beaten. She is evil, cruel and malicious.

 

[squish]

I just hope the Jury don't fall for the "poor me" story TH put out.

He knew in his first police interview he had been copped and admitted to everything. Only when he found out ET committed the actual assault then he saw a way out.

I was disappointed in his brother and I feel it could really sway the jury especially they way Arthur would shout out for him to rescue him.

I know families often find ways to justify things after events like these. But to call him a good dad that was just caught up by a woman and it was Arthur and TH against the world is just not true in any logical sense.

He was a frustrated man-boy who lived in his parents garage. He took full custody of Arthur and had abused, tortured and killed him within a year.

There is no doubt in my mind that there was alot of abuse going on in that annexe way before they left for ET house and the family knew it albeit not the full extent. Thats why they had a big bust up at Christmas.

TH was the main abuser. He may have done it to please ET but it was clear he was setting the rules and dishing out the punishment.

To pretend TH was a victim of any sort is really a disservice to Arthur's memory.

I wish I could like this a million times. I agree with all of this 110%.

He was a dad who couldn't hack it the moment he had to do real, full time parenting by himself.

He was the primary physical abuser, and the one who Arthur feared would kill him since late 2019. TH was the one who repeatedly made death threats to Arthur. ET would make up about Arthur and complain about him, and TH would come home and show him who was boss to impress her.

Arthur was going to die at some point because the abuse was so severe. He had a blood clot in his brain that had formed 1-2 days prior to his death. No wonder he had a headache at 3am the morning of the day he died. This clot could either have been from the salt poisoning and/or previous head injuries. This clot alone could have killed him. ET killed him in the end, but it could have been either of them.

The fact TH started confessing to the police before he knew what ET had done, speaks volumes. He was assuming that the death was a result of Arthur succumbing to injuries that TH had meted out. Obviously ET physically abused him too, but TH was worse, to the point he didn't consider that ET might have been the killer. TH was trying to save his own bacon by portraying the murder as discipline gone wrong.

TH is just as evil as ET and absolutely deserves to be in prison for life for murder, but given that, in the end, he wasn't the one who actually killed Arthur, I'm not sure this is possible. The jury would have to decide that, beyond reasonable doubt, TH participated in, assisted, or encouraged ET's murder of him. I don't know if the general abusive environment, egging each other on and TH previously encouraging her to kill him, and expressing his own intention to kill him, is enough to prove this for the final fatal assault. I hope it is but I don't know legally if it's enough.

 

[squish]

If you had to choose verdicts what would you go for ?
For me ET Guilty on all Counts
TH Guilty of Manslaughter and all other charges apart from the salt poisoning .

I don't think manslaughter is possible for TH, it's either going to be murder (which I doubt, sadly), or causing/allowing.

To be guilty of murder, the jury must be convinced that TH participated, encouraged, or assisted in the fatal assault, and be convinced that ET's assault was an act which any reasonable person would know would cause serious harm to the victim.

To be guilty of manslaughter, it's the same, except ET's assault must be considered an act which any reasonable person would know would cause some harm to the victim.

ET's assault was so severe that it rules out manslaughter IMO.

Why not the salt? Without knowing about the autopsy results, TH was already explaining that they may find kidney damage. I find it hard to believe, of all the horrific emotional and physical abuse that TH inflicted on Arthur, that he would draw the line at salt, to the point that ET would have to keep it a secret from him.

 

[Dotta]

And I am curious why TH was sponging off his parents living in their garden/garage at the age of nearly 30???
Was he constantly broke and couldnt find his own place to live? Like other people?

 

[Powermjp]

I wish I could like this a million times. I agree with all of this 110%.


The fact TH started confessing to the police before he knew what ET had done, speaks volumes. He was assuming that the death was a result of Arthur succumbing to injuries that TH had meted out. Obviously ET physically abused him too, but TH was worse, to the point he didn't consider that ET might have been the killer. TH was trying to save his own bacon by portraying the murder as discipline gone wrong.
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Just wanted to add, he only started to confess after talking with ET in the police van, so it was in his 2nd interview, once he spoke to ET. At first he did not confess.

I dont think TH was worse, i think he is a monster, and he chose her over his own son, which is disgusting. He is very stupid, and a weak violent man. And he did cause the death, and encouraged ET to hurt him which ended up in murder.

But ET is the the factor that ended in Arthurs death, if ET was never involved Arthur would be alive now, ET killed him that's the evidence, I think she is pure evil, and a psychopath, you can even see afterwards she showed no remorse. All she has done is bad mouth him in court over and over. She constantly lied to TH about punching her, headbutting her etc, arthur could barely walk than do these things. She loves playing the victim, and still in the court, after murder, she still tries to play the victim.

 

[Carroll520]

I do think that TH is guilty as sin. But I also think that ET was getting away with a lot of abuse behind his back. I don't think he knew the full extent of it because she would blame it on Arthur having "thrown himself around" and up walls etc. etc. (I still don't know what she means by that, it's weird terminology.) She was telling TH a lot of lies including "he copped me in the stomach" shortly after she had assaulted Arther for the final time. If you watch the footage of him putting his bedding away and how weak he was that morning, he was clearly incapable of "copping" anyone or anything. She used the "he copped me in the stomach" line to wind up TH because she was pregnant and she knew that if she mentioned Arthur was threatening the unborn baby, he would get beaten. I think she constantly fabricated Arthur's transgressions so that he would be beaten. She is evil, cruel and malicious.

I agree she did all that, but TH must be very stupid to believe Arthur was capable of any of that in his weak state. I think TH knew well what was going on, i dont buy his story at all

 

[Tortoise]

I think he knew right off the bat this wasn't accidental or self-inflicted, and Arthur's bruises were not self inflicted either. He had at least 30 bruises on his head alone, his face and his jaw line. I think I would struggle to even find 30 separate areas on a child's head, he must have been covered in them. Bruises in protected areas, behind his knees, his inner thighs, in the centre of his chest, and nothing to do with CPR because that huge ugly bruise was there when she unzipped his onesie.

End him was not about end the behaviour. Not taken in conjunction with the rip off his head and dig his grave comments.

TH was pressure pointing Arthur, or making him scream, behind a closed door at the hairdresser's on the morning of his death. When Arthur was weak, hungry and thirsty, couldn't even talk because of his dry mouth, had trembling legs and a headache. We've seen the video of him waking up and limping around crying a few hours before that. TH was at the hairdresser's that morning - that wasn't a situation where ET was fooling him into thinking Arthur was misbehaving. He was barking at Arthur to call him sir. TH was in charge of dressing Arthur and he chose to leave him in that onesie for the last 4 days of his life, in hot weather. No doubt in my mind, it was to hide all the bruises.

I don't buy that he thought ET wasn't physically abusing Arthur too. That camera was put in on the 12th, so it only covers the last 4 days. They say it was installed to watch Arthur wrecking things, in the pristine room we've seen, but he admitted under cross-examination that it was installed because Arthur was accusing ET of hurting him. There's the proof Arthur was saying it, he was vocal about both of them. She knew the camera was there for 4 days and she would have made sure to hit him out of shot if she was gathering evidence for SS, except those three occasions in those four days she has admitted to assaulting him when she couldn't control herself. Arthur was also saying TH was going to kill him and he felt in danger.


See how they lie, in concert - to protect their own sorry arses -

Ms Prior asks Ms Milhench if she suggested Tustin get a CCTV camera in her house because Tustin was worried about Arthur saying she had hit him.

Ms Milhench responds that she does not remember suggesting the idea, but explains how having a baby camera in her own home had benefited her in the past in a similar situation, and that she had spoken to Tustin about her own experience.


Tustin's evidence in chief:-

"Tustin explains why she had CCTV in her home.

She says: "We had it because we had a bit of trouble with the neighbours. We had a spare camera. After Arthur ripped up photos and threw the tortoise on the floor Tom said we have got a spare camera and might as well use it.

"I spoke to Affy (Catherine Milhench) and she had done similar. That's why the camera was there. Arthur was sleeping downstairs. He had been ruining things. The camera was there to see what he was doing."

Hughes' evidence in chief:-

Hughes explained Tustin had CCTV fitted to her home after having 'problems with neighbours coming into the garden and putting holes in her clothes'.

He stated the camera in the living room was installed because Arthur was 'messing about with toys and ripping things'.

Hughes cross-examination:-

Ms Prior moves on to June 12. Hughes accepts Tustin asked him to put the camera in the living room because she was concerned about things Arthur was saying had been done to him."

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TH was as wound up that day as ET was. I don't accept he was speaking about balloons for 2 minutes, ET was organising her own balloons and didn't corroberate that lie of TH's either, he had told ET the night before to end him and I don't think his state of mind was any better in Sainsburys with ET calling him and texting him virtually every minute he was out. She already had his ongoing encouragement to physically assault Arthur. Why would he continue sending messages saying end him, whack him, knowing she wouldn't do it? I think that is why he took the blame, initially, to "protect" ET, when he knew it wasn't an accident and Arthur was too weak to be charging around at anything. He could barely put one foot in front of the other.

I would convict them both of murder.

 

[leehull]

The camera really puzzles me to be honest, it just doesn’t appear to fit in with the narrative of ET being the one in control, I can’t imagine her suggesting or consenting to it. It’s a really odd piece of the puzzle, saying that thank goodness for that footage, as awful as it is, in hopefully helping to put these two away for a very long time

 

[JimSteel]

There seem to be as many lies and weird relationships going on as bruises on poor Arthur’s head and tortures he was undergoing. Poor poor Arthur being beaten because of a lie that he hit the unborn baby.

Being beaten in this way is unimaginably bad. When it’s happening for something that you did not do, the sense of injustice is off the charts.

I saw my own kid of the same age cry inconsolably for something so small as when he perceived that somebody fouled him in football and it was not recognised. God help Arthur.

 

[ChloLo]

I want to point out that Arthur was not dead within a year of being with his dad full time. Arthur’s mum was arrested in February 2019. The prosecution mentioned nothing of any evidence of TH being an abusive dad prior to ET being on the scene. Yes, it can be argued that THs family are biased, but, the prosecution presented nothing in evidence to suggest any concerns. It’s almost like Jekyll and Hyde.

It is possible that the obsession with death and fear his dad might kill him could have been linked to Arthurs experiences while still in his mothers care, he witnessed her stabbing her boyfriend in the arm.

As far as I’m aware causing or allowing the death of a child isn’t on the indictment. It’s murder and then the 5 cruelty charges.

MOO

 

[Carroll520]

I think he knew right off the bat this wasn't accidental or self-inflicted, and Arthur's bruises were not self inflicted either. He had at least 30 bruises on his head alone, his face and his jaw line. I think I would struggle to even find 30 separate areas on a child's head, he must have been covered in them. Bruises in protected areas, behind his knees, his inner thighs, in the centre of his chest, and nothing to do with CPR because that huge ugly bruise was there when she unzipped his onesie.

End him was not about end the behaviour. Not taken in conjunction with the rip off his head and dig his grave comments.

TH was pressure pointing Arthur, or making him scream, behind a closed door at the hairdresser's on the morning of his death. When Arthur was weak, hungry and thirsty, couldn't even talk because of his dry mouth, had trembling legs and a headache. We've seen the video of him waking up and limping around crying a few hours before that. TH was at the hairdresser's that morning - that wasn't a situation where ET was fooling him into thinking Arthur was misbehaving. He was barking at Arthur to call him sir. TH was in charge of dressing Arthur and he chose to leave him in that onesie for the last 4 days of his life, in hot weather. No doubt in my mind, it was to hide all the bruises.

I don't buy that he thought ET wasn't physically abusing Arthur too. That camera was put in on the 12th, so it only covers the last 4 days. They say it was installed to watch Arthur wrecking things, in the pristine room we've seen, but he admitted under cross-examination that it was installed because Arthur was accusing ET of hurting him. There's the proof Arthur was saying it, he was vocal about both of them. She knew the camera was there for 4 days and she would have made sure to hit him out of shot if she was gathering evidence for SS, except those three occasions in those four days she has admitted to assaulting him when she couldn't control herself. Arthur was also saying TH was going to kill him and he felt in danger.


See how they lie, in concert - to protect their own sorry arses -

Ms Prior asks Ms Milhench if she suggested Tustin get a CCTV camera in her house because Tustin was worried about Arthur saying she had hit him.

Ms Milhench responds that she does not remember suggesting the idea, but explains how having a baby camera in her own home had benefited her in the past in a similar situation, and that she had spoken to Tustin about her own experience.


Tustin's evidence in chief:-

"Tustin explains why she had CCTV in her home.

She says: "We had it because we had a bit of trouble with the neighbours. We had a spare camera. After Arthur ripped up photos and threw the tortoise on the floor Tom said we have got a spare camera and might as well use it.

"I spoke to Affy (Catherine Milhench) and she had done similar. That's why the camera was there. Arthur was sleeping downstairs. He had been ruining things. The camera was there to see what he was doing."

Hughes' evidence in chief:-

Hughes explained Tustin had CCTV fitted to her home after having 'problems with neighbours coming into the garden and putting holes in her clothes'.

He stated the camera in the living room was installed because Arthur was 'messing about with toys and ripping things'.

Hughes cross-examination:-

Ms Prior moves on to June 12. Hughes accepts Tustin asked him to put the camera in the living room because she was concerned about things Arthur was saying had been done to him."

--

TH was as wound up that day as ET was. I don't accept he was speaking about balloons for 2 minutes, ET was organising her own balloons and didn't corroberate that lie of TH's either, he had told ET the night before to end him and I don't think his state of mind was any better in Sainsburys with ET calling him and texting him virtually every minute he was out. She already had his ongoing encouragement to physically assault Arthur. Why would he continue sending messages saying end him, whack him, knowing she wouldn't do it? I think that is why he took the blame, initially, to "protect" ET, when he knew it wasn't an accident and Arthur was too weak to be charging around at anything. He could barely put one foot in front of the other.

I would convict them both of murder.

I couldnt agree more, think TH is every bit as guilty of murder as ET

 

[ChloLo]

Last time I did this my comment was deleted. But for me it’s ET guilty across the board, TH guilty apart from the salt charge.

 

[JimSteel]

This case is incredibly complicated. Apart from pitiless merciless tragedy, you have to concentrate like you are in an entrance exam in order to just follow everything. Trying to work out where and why the next attack might come from must have preoccupied poor Arthur.

 

[Carroll520]

Jesus every song i hear lately that is in any way sad just reminds me of Arthur. I hope the sentences are not too light, he deserves justice to be served

 

[Rhino1895]

The camera really puzzles me to be honest, it just doesn’t appear to fit in with the narrative of ET being the one in control, I can’t imagine her suggesting or consenting to it. It’s a really odd piece of the puzzle, saying that thank goodness for that footage, as awful as it is, in hopefully helping to put these two away for a very long time

It was there to monitor Arthur I'm sure, make sure he didn't move and to go into the kitchen and feed himself.

 

[leehull]

It was there to monitor Arthur I'm sure, make sure he didn't move and to go into the kitchen and feed himself.

Yeah that does make sense and I suppose she didn’t anticipate that it would in the end be used against her

 

[Carroll520]

The camera really puzzles me to be honest, it just doesn’t appear to fit in with the narrative of ET being the one in control, I can’t imagine her suggesting or consenting to it. It’s a really odd piece of the puzzle, saying that thank goodness for that footage, as awful as it is, in hopefully helping to put these two away for a very long time

It doesnt make sense to me either. But exactly thank god for it!

 

[squish]

I want to point out that Arthur was not dead within a year of being with his dad full time. Arthur’s mum was arrested in February 2019. The prosecution mentioned nothing of any evidence of TH being an abusive dad prior to ET being on the scene. Yes, it can be argued that THs family are biased, but, the prosecution presented nothing in evidence to suggest any concerns. It’s almost like Jekyll and Hyde.

It is possible that the obsession with death and fear his dad might kill him could have been linked to Arthurs experiences while still in his mothers care, he witnessed her stabbing her boyfriend in the arm.

As far as I’m aware causing or allowing the death of a child isn’t on the indictment. It’s murder and then the 5 cruelty charges.

MOO

TH didn't have the pressure of fatherhood, because his family were there to support him. So he had little reason to feel frustrated with Arthur pre-ET. Arthur first mentioned being worried that his dad would kill him in late 2019. I believe that was when he met ET.

 

[Rhino1895]

I wish I could like this a million times. I agree with all of this 110%.

He was a **** dad who couldn't hack it the moment he had to do real, full time parenting by himself.

He was the primary physical abuser, and the one who Arthur feared would kill him since late 2019. TH was the one who repeatedly made death threats to Arthur. ET would make up **** about Arthur and complain about him, and TH would come home and show him who was boss to impress her.

Arthur was going to die at some point because the abuse was so severe. He had a blood clot in his brain that had formed 1-2 days prior to his death. No wonder he had a headache at 3am the morning of the day he died. This clot could either have been from the salt poisoning and/or previous head injuries. This clot alone could have killed him. ET killed him in the end, but it could have been either of them.

The fact TH started confessing to the police before he knew what ET had done, speaks volumes. He was assuming that the death was a result of Arthur succumbing to injuries that TH had meted out. Obviously ET physically abused him too, but TH was worse, to the point he didn't consider that ET might have been the killer. TH was trying to save his own bacon by portraying the murder as discipline gone wrong.

TH is just as evil as ET and absolutely deserves to be in prison for life for murder, but given that, in the end, he wasn't the one who actually killed Arthur, I'm not sure this is possible. The jury would have to decide that, beyond reasonable doubt, TH participated in, assisted, or encouraged ET's murder of him. I don't know if the general abusive environment, egging each other on and TH previously encouraging her to kill him, and expressing his own intention to kill him, is enough to prove this for the final fatal assault. I hope it is but I don't know legally if it's enough.

I think the most true unbiased testimony we got was from the hairdressers and the partner and ET's stepdad.

They both tell the same story of TH being the abuser and the one setting the discipline and Arthur being scared of him. He also refused the food offers for his son.

Arthur was his "property" in his eyes all complaints were answered he's my son I'll do what I want.

 

[Rhino1895]

I wish I could like this a million times. I agree with all of this 110%.

He was a **** dad who couldn't hack it the moment he had to do real, full time parenting by himself.

He was the primary physical abuser, and the one who Arthur feared would kill him since late 2019. TH was the one who repeatedly made death threats to Arthur. ET would make up **** about Arthur and complain about him, and TH would come home and show him who was boss to impress her.

Arthur was going to die at some point because the abuse was so severe. He had a blood clot in his brain that had formed 1-2 days prior to his death. No wonder he had a headache at 3am the morning of the day he died. This clot could either have been from the salt poisoning and/or previous head injuries. This clot alone could have killed him. ET killed him in the end, but it could have been either of them.

The fact TH started confessing to the police before he knew what ET had done, speaks volumes. He was assuming that the death was a result of Arthur succumbing to injuries that TH had meted out. Obviously ET physically abused him too, but TH was worse, to the point he didn't consider that ET might have been the killer. TH was trying to save his own bacon by portraying the murder as discipline gone wrong.

TH is just as evil as ET and absolutely deserves to be in prison for life for murder, but given that, in the end, he wasn't the one who actually killed Arthur, I'm not sure this is possible. The jury would have to decide that, beyond reasonable doubt, TH participated in, assisted, or encouraged ET's murder of him. I don't know if the general abusive environment, egging each other on and TH previously encouraging her to kill him, and expressing his own intention to kill him, is enough to prove this for the final fatal assault. I hope it is but I don't know legally if it's enough.

I think the most true unbiased testimony we got was from the hairdressers and the partner and ET's stepdad.

They both tell the same story of TH being the abuser and the one setting the discipline and Arthur being scared of him. He also refused the food offers for his son.

Arthur was his "property" in his eyes all complaints were answered he's my son I'll do what I want.