11:44KEY EVENT
Fitzgibbon: 'Barry told me he wanted to stab Lee Harrison up'
Mr Cooper says: “When did you see Niall Barry?”
Fitzgibbon says: “On the Friday at a dance stage. From like 12 at night until 1 in the morning, in between.”
JC: “That’s Friday the 24th. You arrived on the Friday, you’ve gone to the festival. You didn’t go with Niall Barry or his group.”
IF: “No never went with him.
JC: “You see Mr Barry, was that the first time you’d seen him at Glastonbury?”
IF: “First and last time, yeah.”
JC: “Was he with anyone when you saw him?”
IF: “Didn’t know who he was exactly with but he was with his group of people yeah.”
JC: “Where were you when you saw him?
IF: “The stage is right ahead of me. I’d been on the left hand side. Looking over the stage that side, the metal fencing. It was just a DJ, just dance music. I couldn’t tell you exactly who. It was more dance songs, dance music.”
JC: “This is late Friday, early Saturday morning.”
IF: “Yeah.”
JC: “Did the stage have a name?”
IF: “I can’t remember sir.”
JC: “Who were you with?”
IF: “Me , Daisy, her brother Simon, his girlfriend. Just a big group of us. A few of my friends.”
JC: “Was there any fencing nearby?”
IF: “Yeah we were standing on the left hand side. Our backs are up against the fencing.”
JC: “Mr Barry comes up to you?”
IF: “Yes sir.”
JC: “What does he say?”
IF: “He said hello to me and me girlfriend and other people we was with.”
JC: “Did you all say hello back?”
IF: “Yeah I said hello back.”
JC: “What did he say then?”
IF: “He said have you seen Sean?”
JC: “What did you say?”
IF: “I seen him at Fatboy Slim earlier on but i haven’t seen him since.”
JC: “Was there other conversation?”
IF: “He said have you seen Saz, I said no.”
JC: “Was that the truth, had you seen him at that point?”
IF: “At that point, no.”
JC: “What did Mr Barry say?”
IF: “He said have you seen Saz, I said no. he said tell him when you see him, I’m going to stab him up.”
JC: “Are you sure Mr Barry said that?”
IF: “Yes sir.”
JC: “Who did he say that to?”
IF: “To me.”
JC: “Are you sure he wasn’t saying something generally to the group?”
IF: “It was to me, he doesn’t really know my girlfriend and all that.”
JC: “Could you be mistaken about that?”
IF: “No.”
JC: “Did he do anything when he said that to you?”
IF: “He didn’t do nothing towards me, in his pocket he pulled out a knife. Showed that he had a knife in his pocket.”
JC: “Did he produce the knife before or after he said that?”
IF: “Just as he was saying it, he went into his pocket, showed the knife and said ‘when you see Lee tell him i’m gonna stab him up’ and put it away.”
JC: “Can you describe what you saw?”
IF: “Just that it was a knife.”
JC: “How long was the blade?”
IF: “I didn’t think that much into it, I just knew it was a knife.”
JC: “Did you see the handle?”
IF: “Erm, I just seen the knife part. He’s got hold of the handle. I just seen the metal, shiny part.”
JC: “Did you say anything?”
IF: “I just said ok.”
JC: “Did you want to be involved with Lee Harrison having harm caused to him?”
IF: “No, he’s me friend.”
JC: “How did you feel when you were told Mr Barry was looking to stab him.”
IF; “Shocked, I couldn’t understand why he’d say that to me, he knows I’m mates with Lee.”
JC: “He’s asking you as a friend of Lee to go and tell Lee?”
IF: “Basically. He was just drunk and off his head, but yeah. Everyone whos there had been drinking, taking drugs.”
JC: “In what way was he behaving.”
IF: “No specific way. I don't understand why that happened while I'm standing there with my girlfriend. I just assumed he was off his head.”
JC: “How was he behaving. Was he calm, was he shouting?”
IF: “He was a little bit rowdy.”
JC: “After Mr Barry put the knife back in his pocket what did he do?”
IF: “He went back to the people he was at Glastonbury with.”
JC: “When he said these things, were any members of his group with him?”
IF: “No.”
JC: “Did you at any stage after that see Mr Barry again at Glastonbury?”
IF: “No sir.”
JC: “Did you say anything to him about the situation?”
IF: “No. When he said that I just replied ok and he went away then, back to the people he was with.”
JC: “How did it make you feel?”
IF: “I was just a bit shocked, I wanted to get hold of Lee and tell him what’s being said.”
JC: “Why did you want to do that?”
IF: “I wouldn't want to see any harm come to Lee, he’s me friend.”
JC: “Did you say anything to anyone in your group.”
IF: “Me girlfriend and that had seen what had happened.they were saying what's the problem. I said he’s saying he’s gonna stab Lee up.”
11:52JONATHAN HUMPHRIES
'I wanted to warn Lee Harrison'
Mr Cooper says: “These are messages recovered from Ashley’s iPhone. On June 25 2022, the following messages were exchanged between the Instagram accounts of Claudia Fitzgibbon and Ashley Dale. June 25, 13.03. Claudia to Ms Dale: ‘Hey Ash have you got Lee’s number for Ian please’. Did you need Ian’s number?”
Fitzgibbon: “Yes sir. I told me little sister to message Ashley to get Lee’s number.”
JC: “Why did you need Lee’s number?”
IF: “I wanted to meet him in the festival. To tell him about the night before.”
JC: “What in particular?”
IF: “Just the comments that were made to me by Barry. I wanted to warn him. I didn’t want him to see no harm come to him at that festival.”
JC: “Ms Dale to your sister. ‘Hey Claud, he hasn’t got a phone but this is mine’. She gives the number. Is that passed onto you?”
IF: “Yes sir.”
JC: “14.52, Claudia Fitzgubbon to Miss Dale. 'Thank you Ash, I’ve sent him a message' with kisses'.”
IF: “Yes sir.”
JC: “There was a voice call from Ian Fitzgibbon’s telephone to Ms Dale’s telephone for 34 seconds. There was a further call from Mr Fitzgibbon’s phone to Ms Dale’s mobile for 28 seconds. Do you know what that was about?”
IF: “It would have been phoning Lee to say I’m gonna come and meet you. The second call would be to say I'm leaving the hotel now.”
JC: “The 34 second one. Did you speak to anyone?”
IF: “To Lee.”
JC: “What did you say to him?”
IF “Just said I’m at the festival, I’m in the hotel, I’ll be into the festival soon. I’ll meet up with you somewhere. I met him in the festival and was with him and told him at that point.”
JC: “A further call for 28 seconds, who are you speaking to.”
IF: “To Lee. To say I’m heading into the festival, I’ll meet up with him.”
JC: “Were you anxious to speak to him?”
IF: “Not anxious, I just wanted to speak to him
JC: “There are Whatsapp messages between your phone and Ms Dale’s phone. During the course of these calls, were you speaking to IF. forgive me, Lee Harrison.
IF: “Yeah. I was speaking to Lee Harrison. I met up with him in Glastonbury and told him what happened.”
JC: “These communications are all between you and Lee Harrison?”
IF: “Yes sir.”
JC: “Are there any between you and Ms Dale?
IF: “I don’t know whether that was Lee or Ashley texting me back, but I was getting hold of Lee through Ashley.”
JC: “Who did you think you were communicating with?”
IF: “Lee.”
JC: “You’d already met up, did you say?”
IF: “Yes sir.”
JC: “With who?”
IF: “With Lee, Ashley, Dusty.”
JC: “Before you sent these messages. Where did you meet up?”
IF: “At the Glade Stage, in Glastonbury.”
JC: “At what time?”
IF: “Four, five o’clock, it was still light.”
JC: “What was said during that meeting?”
IF: “I said to him I’d seen branch last night. He’s pulled a blade out and said he’s gonna stab you up. I said stay with me, be careful. There’s a good few of them round here. Lee just replied saying he wasn’t gonna do nothing.”
JC: “Did Lee Harrison seem particularly concerned by what you told him?”
IF: “Yeah, he seemed a bit put out with what I’d said to him. He were not too fazed, he just said I’m not gonna do nothing.”
JC: “Why did you want to meet with Lee Harrison?”
IF: “I wouldnt like to see no harm come to Lee, he’s been my friend for years.”
Justice Goose calls for a break and asks the jury to return at 12.10pm.
The 28-year-old was shot dead at her home on Leinster Road in Old Swan
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