UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #10

[x_caz_x]

Yes @Yozzer. It's not clear if those bottles had been used. Although the tub looks used, is it possible it's just the tub CL always used and therefore discoloured?

 

[Yozzer]

Yes @Yozzer. It's not clear if those bottles had been used. Although the tub looks used, is it possible it's just the tub CL always used and therefore discoloured?

The 60 and 62 Clairol bottles had been mixed as there is brown residue at the top of both. Also one of the Jerome Russell sachets and the silver L'Oreal sachet had been torn open. All these products were available at Boots Pharmacy - I wondered if she had popped to the Boots in Heworth Village after work on the Wednesday pm.

It just seems so drastic after having paid for a professional colour only 3 weeks earlier. And a lot of effort.

 

[x_caz_x]

The 60 and 62 Clairol bottles had been mixed as there is brown residue at the top of both. Also one of the Jerome Russell sachets and the silver L'Oreal sachet had been torn open. All these products were available at Boots Pharmacy - I wondered if she had popped to the Boots in Heworth Village after work on the Wednesday pm.

It just seems so drastic after having paid for a professional colour only 3 weeks earlier. And a lot of effort.

I couldn't agree more @Yozzer. It doesn't make much sense, unless she was very unhappy with the professional colour?

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I couldn't agree more @Yozzer. It doesn't make much sense, unless she was very unhappy with the professional colour?

Honestly, I think the hair dye could unlock the whole case. It just makes no sense at all

 

[cortina]

we can't rely on any friend and her hairdresser could be intimidated....I wonder if her mother would know....when claudia wanted a complete change of hair colour, did she ever do it herself or did she just touch it up at home.

if she didn't do complete changes at home, then she was either colouring someone else's hair or someone wanted people to think shed changed her hair colour....in view of the missing towels etc, I think it was probably the former in any case, or someone was helping claudia and didn't want their presence detected, but you never know

 

[HongKongPhooey]

we can't rely on any friend and her hairdresser could be intimidated....I wonder if her mother would know....when claudia wanted a complete change of hair colour, did she ever do it herself or did she just touch it up at home.

if she didn't do complete changes at home, then she was either colouring someone else's hair or someone wanted people to think shed changed her hair colour....in view of the missing towels etc, I think it was probably the former in any case, or someone was helping claudia and didn't want their presence detected, but you never know

The whole thing gets me. It looked like it may have been left out. Who does that? It's so messy and stains everything, you bin it as soon as you can. Sometimes it smells strong too.

Who was she trying to impress that just over 3 weeks after an expensive pro job she colours it again?

Or why was she changing her look?

Why do it that evening, if you need an early night for work? You have to dry your hair v thoroughly before bed or it will stain the linen. She must have been going out surely?

Why was it left out? Was she in a hurry, running late for someone? Was she disturbed and removed from her house?

Honestly, I have so many questions about that damn dye

 

[cortina]

having thought about it again, I think one theory I put. forward, that someone was helping claudia colour her hair, was rubbish.

if that had been the case, they'd have got rid of all the equipment and not just the towels, because their dna would have been on that.

the police. think the whole thing kicked off just after claudia spoke to her mother...they may. be wrong, of course.

claudia hadn't been to the nags for an unusually long time...possibly an argument.

I think she was probably colouring someone else's hair, rather than doing a full scale colour change for herself...it seems unlikely in itself and , why are the towels missing.

we know jk had or has a very volatile temper....popejohn has put forward the possible scenario that there were fisticuffs that led to an unplanned death. and jk has said...I hope she was dead when she hit the floor or ground....cant remember which.

many of us find the message jk claims to have had from claudia around this time dubious to say the least, and if it wasn't genuine, I think it was designed to show jk didn't see claudia that evening.

its all circumstantial, but everything is pushing me towards agreeing with the major...at least in broad terms

 

[Yozzer]

It is possible she felt the colour was too dark. Sometimes this happens when a hairdresser gets the mix wrong or experiments with a new shade.
If she was trying to achieve this look (highlights) she would definitely have needed assistance with the back of her head.

 

[Yozzer]

Okay having watched clip posted by @keep-it-real I'm more convinced Claudia may have managed her own hair dye session. She was very practical so I think this process would have been well within her capability. Was wondering about the whereabouts of the highlights cap too. So perhaps some 'toxic' items (used cap, gloves, possibly plastic cape) were binned outside? Funny how some items were left in the bathroom though. Was she disturbed in the middle of the process, ie hair coloured and rinsed and in a towel turban drying off? If she had finished with the towel, (& had moved on to the hair drying/STRAIGHTENING process), I would expect there to still be a damp towel with residue of dye materials in the house on the Friday.
Some bits are still not fitting together for me.

Which leads me to my next question. When were the bins collected in Heworth in March 2009?

 

[keep-it-real]

Okay having watched clip posted by @keep-it-real I'm more convinced Claudia may have managed her own hair dye session. She was very practical so I think this process would have been well within her capability. Was wondering about the whereabouts of the highlights cap too. So perhaps some 'toxic' items (used cap, gloves, possibly plastic cape) were binned outside? Funny how some items were left in the bathroom though. Was she disturbed in the middle of the process, ie hair coloured and rinsed and in a towel turban drying off? If she had finished with the towel, (& had moved on to the hair drying/STRAIGHTENING process), I would expect there to still be a damp towel with residue of dye materials in the house on the Friday.
Some bits are still not fitting together for me.

Which leads me to my next question. When were the bins collected in Heworth in March 2009?

In this Express newpaper article her mother Joan speaks about the photo blunder and says
“I’d been with her the week before and she put auburn highlights in her hair,” she said.
personally I think Claudia had had her hair professionally coloured brunette by her hair stylist as he stated 3 and a half weeks earlier. Her mother said she had put the auburn highlights in her hair herself and the picture of the mixing container would in my opinion confirm this and she probably kept these containers for reuse I see a small drawer storage unit in the bathroom its likely they were kept in there with the other hair products and just laid on the toilet seat for photo purposes.

 

[cortina]

mmmm.....the main problem with the jk theory is that she was supposed to have been working at the nags...of course, it could be that a collective silence has been maintained

thanks for the information, yoz, about her being able. to colour her hair herself....thats an excellent point about the bins.

whether she was colouring her own hair or someone else's, I think there's a good chance that she was interrupted....can we see the scenari0 that she was colouring someone else's hair and an argument developed or is it more likely that she or they were interrupted and it took off from there, whether or not there was a person whose hair claudia was dying who was actively involved.

and, if the house was arranged by someone, why did they leave the hair colouring stuff there....grrrr....going off to boil my head

 

[cortina]

sorry, keep it real, our posts crossed....what you say could well be true, too

 

[Sunshine.77]

JK said on Facebook recently that she uses blonde, home box hair dye, to highlight her, now brown curly hair.
Maybe this is what Claudia was doing with the dye found in her bathroom?

 

[cortina]

it would be helpful if the police would answer some questions that didn't necessarily implicate people....for example, did they move the hair dye stuff to a convenient position to take the photo or was this where they found it....it would help rule out a few things.

to be honest, I dont know if they. know

and did they think the hair dye was important, regardless of the reason why, or was it just another thing they took a photo of....do they think its important now

 

[Yozzer]

mmmm.....the main problem with the jk theory is that she was supposed to have been working at the nags...of course, it could be that a collective silence has been maintained. thanks for the information, yoz, about her being able. to colour her hair herself....thats an excellent point about the bins. whether she was colouring her own hair or someone else's, I think there's a good chance that she was interrupted....can we see the scenari0 that she was colouring someone else's hair and an argument developed or is it more likely that she or they were interrupted and it took off from there, whether or not there was a person whose hair claudia was dying who was actively involved. and, if the house was arranged by someone, why did they leave the hair colouring stuff there....grrrr....going off to boil my head

I don't think it is known whether JK worked on the Wednesday evening. We know she worked on the Thurs night. There's little doubt that an argument developed leading to Claudia's demise...we just need to join a few more dots but difficult without key background info.

 

[Yozzer]

I agree that the tub and brushes were reusable and could have been kept for ongoing use. If she had highlighted her hair a week earlier, I'm surprised the packets were still lying around. I believe the police say they were found in the bathroom but I can't see a bin just a chrome loo brush/holder and drawer unit. Just thinking out loud.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

If Claudia dyed her hair that evening and got disturbed in the middle of dyeing process, AND if someone dragged her out of her home into a car, there would have been a slight mess, IMO. Arms or sleeves of the person, who carried her, didn't remain clean, I think. The car as well would have be stained at a certain place. If Claudia only got the top coat highlighted, then the mess would have been a bit less, but in any case: haircolor can leave more or less permanent stains.
After more than 11 years though nobody will remember such things probably?

 

[cortina]

oh, thanks, fg, I hadn't realised that it wasn't certain that people were saying jk had worked that night.

being disturbed wouldn't necessarily. mean she. was dragged kicking and screaming from the house....but I take your point and police or neighbours should have noticed stains or a disturbance and still remember.

why do you say it was almost certain shed had a big argument with jk...you probably know more than I do...all I know is that she seemed to have been avoiding the nags...oh, I see, sorry....you say an argument, but you dont necessarily. mean with jk....is this correct

 

[x_caz_x]

If Claudia was putting highlights in her hair and something was going wrong, what would she do next? Perhaps she run out of a certain dye and needed some more? Likely to run to her good friend, who was very near by for some help, especially if that friend also dyed her hair in similar colours?

 

[keep-it-real]

I don't think it is known whether JK worked on the Wednesday evening. We know she worked on the Thurs night. There's little doubt that an argument developed leading to Claudia's demise...we just need to join a few more dots but difficult without key background info.

In my opinion the bus cam offers a window of opportunity for us to see the activity on Heworth Road on the night of the 18th from Costcutters all the way down to just past Claudias house providing us with a true date,times and visuals as it travels down that road. When Ray Gallaway says in the police appeal video he says hes interested in the black truck and says its parked outside her home address. he says its 'a specific line of enquiry he wants to pursue he wants to know who that vehicle might belong to if anyone has been offered that vehicle for sale has thave they been asked to clean or valet that vehicle over the last couple of weeks'.
Taking into account that all the other potentially important vehicles in this case the white van at the end of heworth road the car in front of the black truck the red car on university road with the couple seen arguing, the breaking car on Heworth road on the morn of the 19th he never posed the same questions of those vehicles being sold cleaned or valeted.
I wonder if on closer analysis of that bus cam footage somthing made him suspect that that truck might need cleaning!

He said the truck was outside Claudias address at 9.01pm he says it leaves the address at 9.37 another important time window

Claudia Lawrence search police appeal for information about dark-coloured van