UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #10

[cortina]

yes, I think he did, curiosity.....which immediately makes me think malton.

thanks for reminding me....that also makes me think that it was someone from around malton rather than York, because otherwise I dont think he'd have stressed where it happened.....if. someone from a Manchester or liverpool gang threatened you in leafy Cheshire, there wouldn't be the surprise...although I doubt the problems are on the same scale in York...I stand to be corrected

 

[Vixey]

Did he deliberately give us a clue. If I remember right when Gerard Tubb reported that he had been threatened he referred to the location as a rural North Yorks market town (or something to that effect).York is a city,not a rural market town.

In a private pm he said there are good reasons I could not tell that story ? Why was there, who stopped him?

 

[keep-it-real]

In a private pm he said there are good reasons I could not tell that story ? Why was there, who stopped him?

Did you ask him why @Vixey .. Was it because of who made the threat. was it because the police told him not to. was it for legal reasons.
Out of interest what was your gut instinct?

 

[Popejohn3]

I can't say for sure, but I think the threat was more than that, otherwise im sure he'd have said they threatened to sue and im sure hes had. that threat before....as far as I can remember, he didn't say where the threat had come from....eg, the nags, the ac, in malton or Heworth., over the phone etc...I think he did say it was local.....

That is the trouble in this case too many people are doing others’ dirty work for them !

 

[Popejohn3]

I think they've almost certainly killed before and probably since.

according to a newspaper report I read recently, Albanians are now in control of the uk drugs trade .....I dont know if that was true when claudia disappeared, but you certainly dont mess with them.

having said that, there are a couple of reports today about the drugs ring based in Birmingham, and. I dont think they're Albanian, but, interestingly, it says that the police are hoping to recover money from properties bought by the gang, although, officially they are in other peoples names....they seem to have been specifically buying properties in areas popular with. students near the university.....

This is a perfect example of doing the dirty work for them ...”and you certainly don’t
mess with them “
People should be exalting the work of the New NCA

 

[Popejohn3]

Are you Christian ? Just wondering if Claudia had moved away from religion and the church or wether she still attended or even help voluntary etc x

I believe she would have been God mother to a new baby
And yes I happen to be Christian.But her father’s believes in this case is far more important.
If there is an ounce of human decency in who ever harmed her should tell the family ... anonymously if necessary... where she is !
If any of the nameless dna/fingerprints happen to be on her body , they would still remain nameless no ?
Then the story would probably die down ...

 

[cortina]

id be interested to know if any of the houses in the areas popular with students in. York have been bought with the money of. drug dealers although other people officially own. them....im sure thats true in most cities.

ive got a few friends in Brum and I know there. was a scam discovered with special deals for first time property buyers....wouldnt be surprised if some of the drugs gangs were involved

 

[Popejohn3]

Did you ask him why @Vixey .. Was it because of who made the threat. was it because the police told him not to. was it for legal reasons.
Out of interest what was your gut instinct?

Yes @Vixey can you still ask him that question?

 

[cortina]

I dont favour the ex boyfriend or mystery boyfriend theory myself....I know you do, popejohn....am I right...so that could be someone from the malton area

 

[cortina]

if he did go to the police and they didn't take action, I assume it was because of who the person was because the person making the complaint was a journalist with a good track record....but maybe this is something else they just can't prove .

I think he probably did go to the police....if he didn't it must have been out of fear and just by mentioning it, as he has done, would put the person on alert again and it wouldn't look very good for him as a journalist if he didn't.

so I suspect its a case of this person is somebody we can't mess around with and its just their word against yours

 

[Vixey]

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Did you ask him why @Vixey .. Was it because of who made the threat. was it because the police told him not to. was it for legal reasons.
Out of interest what was your gut instinct?

This was the only reply the person received x

 

[cortina]

do you think he went to the police.....there was. no way of proving what had been said and the threat seems to have been very graphic

id say it was a person of great local influence....if it had just been a local criminal with a gang. or whatever, he could have said so without naming him, either gone to the police or not, and laid off the investigation and I doubt that. would have happened in malton...and he probably wouldn't have known the name

if it had been someone who'd said he was something like the. head of a drugs gang, again he could have said that without naming names...in fact, he probably wouldn't have known the name.

but if it was someone with a high profile role, he would have known. his identity from his position because he'd have used that to exert pressure.....I can't, for example imagine it being a junior policeman because he could have just gone to another police force , even if the junior policeman had managed to convince him he was there on behalf of the head of the nyp which seems unlikely.

in the. second paragraph, a. harmless word...at least in English English has been censored so ive changed it to criminal

if the. journalist had just been frightened, which I could well understand, I dont think he'd have mentioned it

 

[Popejohn3]

do you think he went to the police.....there was. no way of proving what had been said and the threat seems to have been very graphic

id say it was a person of great local influence....if it had just been a local criminal with a gang. or whatever, he could have said so without naming him, either gone to the police or not, and laid off the investigation and I doubt that. would have happened in malton...and he probably wouldn't have known the name

if it had been someone who'd said he was something like the. head of a drugs gang, again he could have said that without naming names...in fact, he probably wouldn't have known the name.

but if it was someone with a high profile role, he would have known. his identity from his position because he'd have used that to exert pressure.....I can't, for example imagine it being a junior policeman because he could have just gone to another police force , even if the junior policeman had managed to convince him he was there on behalf of the head of the nyp which seems unlikely.

in the. second paragraph, a. harmless word...at least in English English has been censored so ive changed it to criminal

if the. journalist had just been frightened, which I could well understand, I dont think he'd have mentioned it

I think we should simply ignore the journalist .Since he is not being brave enough to explain more .
People should not be doing the dirty work for possibly hardened criminals.

 

[AcbMurders]

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I don’t think he was scared off. The “good reasons” he mentions could be:

1. NYP told him to withhold that info, in case it might come in handy when prosecuting the perp(s).
2. and/or danger of getting sued, like he did after hacking canoe John Darwin’s (canoe man) emails. It’s possible that the police weren’t best pleased when that came out and it must be really important for journalists to keep the police on their side.

 

[cortina]

I think its understandable if he didn't stand a chance of winning against this. person., popejohn...at least he was bringing it indirectly to the. authorities attention...for them to try to wheedle out more.

maybe he wasn't doing the dirty work...maybe he was more directly involved

sorry, I started this after pope johns post

I agree about his not being scared off, after having thought about it...otherwise he wouldn't have mentioned it in his report

 

[keep-it-real]

do you think he went to the police.....there was. no way of proving what had been said and the threat seems to have been very graphic

id say it was a person of great local influence....if it had just been a local criminal with a gang. or whatever, he could have said so without naming him, either gone to the police or not, and laid off the investigation and I doubt that. would have happened in malton...and he probably wouldn't have known the name

if it had been someone who'd said he was something like the. head of a drugs gang, again he could have said that without naming names...in fact, he probably wouldn't have known the name.

but if it was someone with a high profile role, he would have known. his identity from his position because he'd have used that to exert pressure.....I can't, for example imagine it being a junior policeman because he could have just gone to another police force , even if the junior policeman had managed to convince him he was there on behalf of the head of the nyp which seems unlikely.

in the. second paragraph, a. harmless word...at least in English English has been censored so ive changed it to criminal

if the. journalist had just been frightened, which I could well understand, I dont think he'd have mentioned it

I think there are ways a journalist can get there point across in the media without going to the police.
and this is probably what we saw in his disclosure in the tv documentry.

I can imagine IF some of the things suggested in the video footage were found to be true it might well stir things up.

 

[keep-it-real]

In a private pm he said there are good reasons I could not tell that story ? Why was there, who stopped him?

@MajorLang was always quite outspoken about certain people in the case .. I was wondering was he ever threatened.

 

[cortina]

mmm....hardened criminals....I think most people think the kidnapping was planned....and I, for one, now think the murder was planned.

if a murder was planned, then they are pretty. nasty criminals or a pretty nasty criminal....I can't see any purpose of just a kidnap except to frighten claudia into changing her ways....but I think it had got beyond that point

 

[cortina]

what is also interesting is why it was thought that the journalist might find out more than the police had done

 

[cortina]

ive been thinking about what popejohn. has said about other people doing the dirty work....

the police have stressed that the people living in the houses in Birmingham bought with drug dealers money are completely innocent

but malton man....if he wasn't directly involved...didnt have to do any dirty work...unless the perp had something on him.

this is probably completely irrelevant, but was there something way back about an Irish connection....was this the republic or Northern Ireland...the reason im asking is that those drug dealers in Birmingham only bought places in Northern Ireland apart from their hometown