UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #11

[Popejohn3]

depends does'nt it tell that to Vincent Tabak. If a man came onto her perhaps even tried to rape her in a car, a work mate - loss of job, marriage flashing before him

Possible I agree but this work mate would have been absent or at least late for work

 

[Blonderabbit]

But PJ - he didn't go to the police until a year after she went missing.

do you know where he lived at the time? dont put it on here - im just asking for your reference - I know

When Mayln said he suspects people were lying then immediately qualifies ‘or being economical with the truth’
Some have ignored the last bit .Hiding things from the Mrs is not the same as murder .Perhaps the police did not make it clear that they were only interested in who harmed Claudia.
Would all police involved earlier on be solely murder police ? For example would there have been vice squad officers hoping for clues or drug squad or immigration or any other branch hoping to advance on their speciality and by doing so making the witnesses clam up ?!

I think they made it very clear, throughout the investigation. using crimestoppers also as a reporting tool.

 

[Popejohn3]

depends when in October - even if youve been going out with someone for a couple of months I wouldnt think of them as new

Personally I would say new but then again ...

 

[Blonderabbit]

Possible I agree but this work mate would have been absent or at least late for work

again it depends - he may of not been in that day, he may of been in and scheduled to start later, there's two issues i have with the oxo theory 1. Claudias ex's were a handful, even her friends in the nags were seasoned men, she used to ride a horse, so whilst only a small frame i'm sure she could handle herself - oxo i just find it difficult to imagine him being able to get control and do the deed. there's also the other side - he doesnt strike me as the sharpest tool in the box - are you telling me he outsmarted a £1.5 million investigation and a team of the finest police officers, over 100 officers working on it at one time - surely not

 

[Blonderabbit]

Possible I agree but this work mate would have been absent or at least late for work

again it depends - he may of not been in that day, he may of been in and scheduled to start later, there's two issues i have with the oxo theory 1. Claudias ex's were a handful, even her friends in the nags were seasoned men, she used to ride a horse, so whilst only a small frame i'm sure she could handle herself - oxo i just find it difficult to imagine him being able to get control and do the deed. there's also the other side - he doesnt strike me as the sharpest tool in the box - are you telling me he outsmarted a £1.5 million investigation and a team of the finest police officers, over 100 officers working on it at one time - surely not

 

[Popejohn3]

again it depends - he may of not been in that day, he may of been in and scheduled to start later, there's two issues i have with the oxo theory 1. Claudias ex's were a handful, even her friends in the nags were seasoned men, she used to ride a horse, so whilst only a small frame i'm sure she could handle herself - oxo i just find it difficult to imagine him being able to get control and do the deed. there's also the other side - he doesnt strike me as the sharpest tool in the box - are you telling me he outsmarted a £1.5 million investigation and a team of the finest police officers, over 100 officers working on it at one time - surely not

May I respectfully ask for next time to press more options then press reply to the thread because it sounds that you are talking to me .I do not for a moment think her work colleague had anything to do with it .

 

[Blonderabbit]

May I respectfully ask for next time to press more options then press reply to the thread because it sounds that you are talking to me .I do not for a moment think her work colleague had anything to do with it .

apologies never used this forum before - so dont have a clue how it works - i'm only considering the options.

 

[oudzuid]

again it depends - he may of not been in that day, he may of been in and scheduled to start later, there's two issues i have with the oxo theory 1. Claudias ex's were a handful, even her friends in the nags were seasoned men, she used to ride a horse, so whilst only a small frame i'm sure she could handle herself - oxo i just find it difficult to imagine him being able to get control and do the deed. there's also the other side - he doesnt strike me as the sharpest tool in the box - are you telling me he outsmarted a £1.5 million investigation and a team of the finest police officers, over 100 officers working on it at one time - surely not

@Blonderabbit D_O in his Ch5 interview stated that he took a different route to work that day-19th March-He WAS at work. He discussed how he contemplated calling for her but for some reason changed his mind.

This suggests that not only was he in but he was on the same or similar shift as Claudia.

However, I do agree that it is unlikely he was the culprit. But what we don't know is if he was advised by another / others to tell the story.

Of course he may only have seen this as his "15 minutes of fame?"

 

[oudzuid]

do you know where he lived at the time? dont put it on here - im just asking for your reference - I know


I think they made it very clear, throughout the investigation. using crimestoppers also as a reporting tool.

@bolnderabbit You are correct, we must not post addresses in these circumstances. I looked at his route from his home and on this day he would have reached the roundabout at the intersection of Heworth / Stockton and taken the first exit left into Heworth.

However he decided to drive straight on at the roundabout.

I used Google to track the two journey scenarios and the route he took involved him in a LONGER journey.

I always asked myself this:

"Even if you decide not to call for Claudia, would you not just take the same route and not stop"

Or was it that he was worried he would be seen, not by Claudia but by someone that was described as her "New Boyfriend" and were they of a "certain community" he would not wish to meddle with?

 

[Andyboy]

Actually PJ this article clears up the issue about lifestyle on a chefs wage. Thanks!
Per Galloway in the above article:
"He added there was no evidence she had any secondary source of income at all and that she supported her lifestyle by frugal living."

This to me, indicates that they went through CLs finances quite thoroughly.

Pretty big mortgage, plenty of pub trips, plenty of foreign holidays and stabled a horse, not my idea of frugal

 

[Andyboy]

If she was involved in any nefarious activities I doubt the police would say so, may make anyone she was involved with prewarned of any potential police activity towards them

 

[Popejohn3]

Pretty big mortgage, plenty of pub trips, plenty of foreign holidays and stabled a horse, not my idea of frugal

Non smokers are pretty well off compared to smokers ...

 

[Andyboy]

Non smokers are pretty well off compared to smokers ...

Not ones earning 20k a year who have just paid 180k for a house

 

[Popejohn3]

If she was involved in any nefarious activities I doubt the police would say so, may make anyone she was involved with prewarned of any potential police activity towards them

And this ‘nefarious’ activity assumption is probably the reason some clamped up .
If for example you are a police officer ( normally ) attached to the drug squad, you might find it hard not to ask questions from that point of view!

 

[Andyboy]

If she could sustain her lifestyle on her chef income then she was wasted as a chef, should have been chancellor of the exchequer or governor of the bank of England

 

[oudzuid]

Non smokers are pretty well off compared to smokers ...

@Popejohn3 I dont agree here. I have never smoked and what I find is that smokers have a bigger appetite and spend more on food as smoking is an appetite suppressant.

 

[Popejohn3]

I also think that what I call the ‘mini holiday’ season of March played an important part in this case .
How many of the 100 plus officers went on holiday a week or two after ?
The guilty one himself could have been on holiday.
Even CL could have changed her routine just because she was planning to have the Friday 20 th off not to mention the Easter trip she was planning.

 

[Vixey]

Was Claudias Mortgage stopped and then restarted due to issues with security of the home? I remember reading her mother was present to help here, as probably one of the only times she had visited. Why did Claudias mother never visit and suzy and jen never meet joan. well suzy did briefly upon a given lift into town x

 

[oudzuid]

Not ones earning 20k a year who have just paid 180k for a house

@Andyboy Of course do we know if her father assisted her with her mortgage (We know that it was with Santander from info from @Vixey) but P_L did push for Claudia's law and someone had to continue to pay the mortgage once she had disappeared.
I'm sure that a Sleuth on here will know when someone is presumed as Dead by insurance companies. That is to say, did she have life and or mortgage cover?

I would rather consider the above rather than to suggest that she was earning money from another source.

 

[oudzuid]

I also think that what I call the ‘mini holiday’ season of March played an important part in this case .
How many of the 100 plus officers went on holiday a week or two after ?
The guilty one himself could have been on holiday.
Even CL could have changed her routine just because she was planning to have the Friday 20 th off not to mention the Easter trip she was planning.

@Popejohn3 Are you suggesting from what you describe in the context of your post that "The Guilty One" was a Police Officer?