UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #12

[oudzuid]

Gerard Tubb 13.31 .. She had made calls to her parents which the police have never revealed where she was when she made those calls and of course they have a pretty good idea from the cell phone data, but for operational reasons they have kept that to themselves. And having made those calls she was never heard from again.

@keep-it-real Malyn contradicted Galloway at a later date. As I previously mention. Galloway was trying to use this statement to flush out and panic the culprits.

 

[oudzuid]

Gerard Tubb 13.31 .. She had made calls to her parents which the police have never revealed where she was when she made those calls and of course they have a pretty good idea from the cell phone data, but for operational reasons they have kept that to themselves. And having made those calls she was never heard from again.

@keep-it-real Malyn contradicted Galloway at a later date. As I previously mention. Galloway was trying to use this statement to flush out and panic the culprits.

Would the police have a record of AlL phones used in that area at a specific time of importance ?
Would they eliminate phones that are not registered in that 8 mile radius or perhaps look only at phones that are not registered in that 8 mile radius ?

@Popejohn3 Great comment. But then if they used this methodology, they would only highlight those at time of phone being turned of at 12:10 on 19th and they may eliminate those important before that time.

 

[oudzuid]

Mike Laycock chief reporter of The York Press at the time said in the Missing or Murdered tv doc
It did seem sometimes as if a mist had been created enveloping the police investigation that covered up the truth about what had happened to Claudia.

Unfortunately no link avail for the missing or murdered programme

Yes and was the mist the following:

Alley person sightings
Melrosegate couple
Couple arguing on university road
Backpack sighting

I think there is some great analysis on this thread but also we are equally in the mist at times.

 

[oudzuid]

I have just listened to true crime watch on anchor fm where it is stated with some authority that Claudia had just the one mobile phone charger ! And this was found in her house giving credence to her not going out to sleep in someone else’s house because she would want to charge her phone overnight for work.
This info is very important to my mind .

@Popejohn3 Good observation. The mobile model that CL had, even with her prolific texting had a far better battery life than phones of today.
It is quite possible that she didn't take the charger as not needed-She may have charged when getting home in the afternoon and so fully charged and a colleague may have had a compatible charger at work.
She may have even kept a spare charger at work.

 

[oudzuid]

How was they sure how many chargers, I have 7 as they can fail, strange not to have a spare especially if staying out or for a emergency x

@Vixey Clearly you have a charger obsession I agree that CL may have had more than one or even a colleague that they shared charging with.

 

[MEKON]

Dont think she was in the habit of setting her alarm

Again, I hope this point has not been discussed and settled. With an alarm on Claudia's property; would there not be some sort of memory function on the alarm system,that allows the functioning history of the implement to be extracted?


However; knowledge of an alarm system on the property surely could provide possible tick box indicators:

1. Who fitted the alarm system
2. Why was the alarm system fitted
3. Who was aware it was fitted
4. Who was competent on how it worked
5. Who had the knowledge that Claudia rarely switched it on.
6. What type of system was it;and was it visible the property was alarmed. If it was; surely that would make it less likely a burglar or stranger would try their luck in gaining access

 

[MEKON]

@Vixey Clearly you have a charger obsession I agree that CL may have had more than one or even a colleague that they shared charging with.

If Claudia did spend the night away from her own home, perhaps there was no need for her to take her charger because the person with her had the same charger?

Furthermore; there is a possibility that the perpetrators deliberately placed the charger back in Claudia's home to suggest she stayed at home, when in fact she did not ?

 

[Yozzer]

@Bagpipes Me also. It is likely that the backpack and Claudia formed a neat package. Perhaps the phone was retained to see who was starting to worry about her or even for content on phone

The Samsung D900 has a camera so this is a distinct possibility.
Also it had Bluetooth so am assuming this is how she received those spontaneous texts from men in the NH which her disgruntled male drinking friend referred to.

 

[Yozzer]

How was they sure how many chargers, I have 7 as they can fail, strange not to have a spare especially if staying out or for a emergency x

Also the person she stayed with (if this theory is correct.. not so sure) may have had the same brand phone/charger at their home.

 

[MEKON]

........to picture this scenario there’s evidence that doesn’t fit to a happening in her home. There are no signs of a struggle inside, her bed is made, her slippers are by the front door, her toothbrush is on the sink drainer, her rucksack, chef whites and straighteners are missing. There’s too much evidence to suggest something happened away from the property. I think the perp/s may have needed access to the property to retrieve incriminating evidence - but not her body because I think that was elsewhere. I also think whilst they had her keys they didn’t have the alarm code - so perhaps had to break in at the back. There is a suggestion Jen had her alarm code having been living there - though of course then she would have been involved and there’s no suggestion of that

There may not be signs of a struggle because sadly there are ways of committing certain criminal acts in subtle pre-planned manners. Whether it is disabling someone just enough to take them elsewhere quietly; or it is to remove a problem instantly. The issue of slippers I am sure was discussed as a strange event. I'm sure it was suggested they were not even her slippers. IMO it was someone she knew who placed those slippers there to make it look as if a stranger had attempted a cleanup. Furthermore; who would know where those slippers were inside the house, in order to leave them as a ''Red Herring'' near the front door?

IMO though; I certainly agree with you suggesting that people may have needed access to the property after a sad event occurred elsewhere. It's very sad; but I think it is certainly possible Claudia was alive away from her home, being questioned for information:

• Who else knows anything and who have you been spending time with
• (As the perpetrators are sifting through her phone until they switched it off) .... 'Are these the only people you spoke to last night.....' etc etc
• Where have you got something we want hidden?
• What's the code for the house alarm?
• Have you been talking to the authorities!?

 

[Popejohn3]

How was they sure how many chargers, I have 7 as they can fail, strange not to have a spare especially if staying out or for a emergency x

Okay if you listen to the podcast you’ll get convinced the story teller was told by those who knew her that she had just one charger . And this is very important information IMO

 

[MEKON]

@Popejohn3 Perhaps to throw LE and all off the scent. In the same way as Alley Person may have had nothing to do with CL Disappearance.
They may have just been going to get something out of their car that was parked in Heworth Place and they could have been staying in a local B and B or even Nags, where the parking was full at the time.
I recall once I was staying in a hotel and kept forgetting that I had left items I needed in y car. I must have made 2 journeys back and forth one evening

Perhaps the plan was that CL was captive in Acomb or elsewhere but the smokescreen was to make all think she was Home Alone?

If you were going to kill someone would you parade in front of a CCTV camera?

You may do if you had not premeditated the deed of course.

I think that It a very good point and a real possibility. It also shows there's knowledge know about the victim and a distinct hint that the organised event has a 'local feel' to it

 

[oudzuid]

The Samsung D900 has a camera so this is a distinct possibility.
Also it had Bluetooth so am assuming this is how she received those spontaneous texts from men in the NH which her disgruntled male drinking friend referred to.

Yes @Yozzer And was the kill for her phone and content?

 

[Popejohn3]

How was they sure how many chargers, I have 7 as they can fail, strange not to have a spare especially if staying out or for a emergency x

@Vixey smart phones tend to be heavy on battery use but not the phone she was using 12 years ago

 

[MEKON]

Yes @Yozzer And was the kill for her phone and content?

Plus a lot more besides.............a multiple and toxic mix of lots of issues and individuals and families

 

[oudzuid]

There may not be signs of a struggle because sadly there are ways of committing certain criminal acts in subtle pre-planned manners. Whether it is disabling someone just enough to take them elsewhere quietly; or it is to remove a problem instantly. The issue of slippers I am sure was discussed as a strange event. I'm sure it was suggested they were not even her slippers. IMO it was someone she knew who placed those slippers there to make it look as if a stranger had attempted a cleanup. Furthermore; who would know where those slippers were inside the house, in order to leave them as a ''Red Herring'' near the front door?

IMO though; I certainly agree with you suggesting that people may have needed access to the property after a sad event occurred elsewhere. It's very sad; but I think it is certainly possible Claudia was alive away from her home, being questioned for information:

• Who else knows anything and who have you been spending time with
• (As the perpetrators are sifting through her phone until they switched it off) .... 'Are these the only people you spoke to last night.....' etc etc
• Where have you got something we want hidden?
• What's the code for the house alarm?

Even if se was killed elsewhere which I believe is more likely, The culprits would want to check out her hoe to remove any pointers suggesting she was elsewhere.
I agree that a doping or strangulation would leave minimum clear ups.

 

[oudzuid]

Okay if you listen to the podcast you’ll get convinced the story teller was told by those who knew her that she had just one charger . And this is very important information IMO

@Popejohn3 Who can we trust though.
It would appear that CL had some great friends but when she started frequenting the Nags she did appear to get in with a dodgy lot.
Some almost taken on the lifelong friend status and the only ones we hear from on media today.

 

[MEKON]

With reference to the posting event by Claudia in the afternoon before her disappearance

Could it be a possibility that something has been posted to the authorities? Is that why to my knowledge that it has not been established who that correspondence was meant for. And is that why plentiful people have discussed that it would seem that Claudia was already on the authorities radar before her tragic appearence

 

[Blonderabbit]

@Blonderabbit Good points here.
Claudias phone was reported as turned off within a 9 mile radius of the Uni because it would have communicated with the UNI mast. This is quite a big area.

Separately, her phone was detected connecting to a different mast in the weeks leading up to her disappearance in the Acomb area.

The two phone triangulations were different.

The first SIO Galloway stated that he knew where Clauias phone was on 18th 19th. The second SIO stated that they could only be accurate within 9 Miles.
Galloway was using "Kidology" and to put the presure on as @Blonderabbit states.
Unfortunately police don't have her exact positioning on 18th /19th and on phone turn off they can only say that it was within 9 miles of Uni mast.

CL may not have been with her phone when t was turned off. She could be miles up the motorway.

It’s asked if he was using “kidology” he wasn’t.

 

[Popejohn3]

Also the person she stayed with (if this theory is correct.. not so sure) may have had the same brand phone/charger at their home.

But it would be presumptuous/ it would annoy me if I could not charge my own phone just because you’re too lazy to drop yours into the Kerrymore bag .