UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #12

[oudzuid]

I am not sure I follow you my request was for a link to part of your post:-
LH brother died on holiday. I have seen it reported in this thread that he owed money to an expat from York who now lives in Thailand and in an exchange the brother had apologised for being late with a payment, which would come from the sale of the land and so not an insignificant amount of money.

If you saw this information posted on in this thread how would that be seen as me encouraging you to break WS rules by posting the link to that particular post.

I would add I do not have social media Facebook.
And I would never encourage anyone to break WS rules.

@keep-it-real
What I have done when I did my own research was to read all postings and you will see mention of this.

 

[Vixey]

LH brother died on holiday. I have seen it reported in this thread that he owed money to an expat from York who now lives in Thailand and in an exchange the brother had apologised for being late with a payment, which would come from the sale of the land and so not an insignificant amount of money.

Could you please provide links to these reports.

Yes I had seen this KIR, I believe a friend lived a door down from the Nags, looking through that info later again x

I am not sure I follow you my request was for a link to part of your post:-
LH brother died on holiday. I have seen it reported in this thread that he owed money to an expat from York who now lives in Thailand and in an exchange the brother had apologised for being late with a payment, which would come from the sale of the land and so not an insignificant amount of money.

If you saw this information posted on in this thread how would that be seen as me encouraging you to break WS rules by posting the link to that particular post.

I would add I do not have social media Facebook.
And I would never encourage anyone to break WS rules.

How do you cope without the information on facebook, did you use myspace? Regardless regarding did Claudia not spend time on holiday there with Liz also!

 

[Vixey]

Yes I had seen this KIR, I believe a friend lived a door down from the Nags, looking through that info later again x

How do you cope without the information on facebook, did you use myspace? Regardless regarding did Claudia not spend time on holiday there with Liz also!

And adding that,What year in particular? Hopefully not the same year as madeline

 

[ArcadeFire]

Alleyman and the fella in the white jacket are not working as a team. White jacket is just an ordinary pedestrian walking by.

What countries has CL visited on holiday that we know off...? Are there any photos of CL on social media from liz or Mel Facebook accounts?

 

[Vixey]

Alleyman and the fella in the white jacket are not working as a team. White jacket is just an ordinary pedestrian walking by.

What countries has CL visited on holiday that we know off...? Are there any photos of CL on social media from liz or Mel Facebook accounts?

And the same person is out on morning and night. both caught in the same 50 yard Area at the same time ?

 

[Vixey]

And the same person is out on morning and night. both caught in the same 50 yard Area at the same time ?

Do you feel Arcade Fire it’s a coincidence?

 

[MEKON]

Do you feel Arcade Fire it’s a coincidence?

I think an adaptation of "The Moscow Rules" should be applied. To much of a coincidence

 

[Blonderabbit]

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When I referred to point A: My precise point was that in 2009 a member of the public who genuinely reported an argument between a Male and a Female; could have genuinely seen a couple, Mr. and Mrs. Smith. And Mrs. Smith could have genuinely appeared to look like Claudia without any foul play. Some witnesses or people who witnesses spot; even genuine or innocent ones, do not always come forward




Someone has possibly done a very good job though. The public has wrongly or rightly reported they have seen someone who could have been Claudia in the morning. I think one incident was an arguement on a bridge with a smoker and one near the University. Those reported sightings could have been:

A) Genuine reports; but genuine mistaken identity. The persons were a totally innocent couple called Mr and Mrs Smith who were completely innocent
B) Genuine reports; and the person that was seen, was indeed Claudia
C) Sinister reports made by the perpetrators, and the Female perpetrator dressed like Claudia in order to encourage false sightings made by the general public

I have a very high Def computer with great pixality (I think its called that )
I have to confess @keep-it-real I struggle to see what you are seeing.
What I do believe that you see often, as mentioned before is light refraction.
I recall once when looking at CCTV footage in this case, I saw people when they were trees.
I agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
My problem with seeing something that isnt there though is that within moments its quite easy to then "Shoehorn" what you think you see into the case or a theory and then going in the wrong direction.

I am just trying to be helpful here and do wish that I could pick out some of your sightings. However I will keep an open mind and if I am wrong then I will be the first to admit this.

Its good that you are researching these things though.

we all have our own blindsides. Open mindedness is difficult. It’s why the police face with compelling evidence can put bits together that actually are unrelated. We see examples of it in many cases. Studying cctv, frame by frame is to be applauded and could uncover something. Similarly I find it hard to be open minded with planned attacks , drug cartels and witness programs - yes it’s all possible.

 

[Popejohn3]

Alleyman and the fella in the white jacket are not working as a team. White jacket is just an ordinary pedestrian walking by.

What countries has CL visited on holiday that we know off...? Are there any photos of CL on social media from liz or Mel Facebook accounts?

White jacket man is clear how come he or others not flag him after so many years ?

 

[Vixey]

I am not sure wether cctv was checked for Claudias usual early start, and later start? As no week was the same ?

 

[oudzuid]

I am not sure I follow you my request was for a link to part of your post:-
LH brother died on holiday. I have seen it reported in this thread that he owed money to an expat from York who now lives in Thailand and in an exchange the brother had apologised for being late with a payment, which would come from the sale of the land and so not an insignificant amount of money.

If you saw this information posted on in this thread how would that be seen as me encouraging you to break WS rules by posting the link to that particular post.

I would add I do not have social media Facebook.
And I would never encourage anyone to break WS rules.

@keep-it-real
What I have done when I did my own research was to read all postings and you will see mention of this.

The Crimewatch update programme on July 2009 stated that the sighting on Melrosegate Bridge was Weds 18th rather than the Thurs the 19th
skip to 41.00 inthe video

Its interesting that this sighting on 18th March was reported. Police have shown footage from Melrosegate Post Office on a morning without Claudia in shot but of another person:

Yorks Press:

Crimewatch appeal brings new witnesses

Meanwhile, the man shown on the CCTV that police are desperately trying to trace was wearing a hooded top and was walking past the post office in Melrosegate shortly before 5am on March 18.


This is about 200 yards from the spot where a witness has seen a man wearing a hooded top standing opposite a woman on Melrosegate Bridge, on either March 18 or 19 at 5.10am.

I have a few observations about this:

1. Claudia would not normally have left home at 05:00 to 05:10 in the morning if she was coming from her home let alone be at this point in her journey
2. If it was Claudia was she coming from another place or had she been dropped here?
3. Is the Crimewatch reporting accurate? The reason I say this is that other Media is suggesting it could have been 18th or 19th March and NYP (Whose information I would prefer to trust) says the following:

19 March, 05:35 – Left handed smoker – seen with a woman on Melrosegate bridge - North Yorkshire Police

Here it is clearly stated as 19th March and the time, if it was Claudia was a more likely time of 05:35

19 March, 05:35 – Left handed smoker – seen with a woman on Melrosegate bridge - North Yorkshire Police

I'm sticking to the sighting being 05:35 on 19th March as what I like to do when researching is to rely upon more than one source of reference

 

[oudzuid]

Alleyman and the fella in the white jacket are not working as a team. White jacket is just an ordinary pedestrian walking by.

What countries has CL visited on holiday that we know off...? Are there any photos of CL on social media from liz or Mel Facebook accounts?

@ArcadeFire On 18th March Circa 19:00 Alley and White jacket on cctv
On 19th March Circa 05:00 both seen doing almost identical

Now, if this was two separate days at approx. same time I would say that this was just 2 ordinary jacks coming or going to from work or home / pub.

But it isn't that ritual.

This is a different ritual when at C 05:00, when pedestrian movement is as rare as rocking horse **** that the 2 seen the night before are seen again doing almost exactly the same and directionally.

 

[oudzuid]

And adding that,What year in particular? Hopefully not the same year as madeline

Hi @Vixey No he went to Algarve after Claudia disappeared but owed the person in Thailand money. He was messaging from Algarve but then died a few days later???
Heart Attack

 

[oudzuid]

Do you feel Arcade Fire it’s a coincidence?

@Vixey NYP clearly didn't as their appeal was about the 2 people

 

[oudzuid]

White jacket man is clear how come he or others not flag him after so many years ?

@Popejohn3 This is an excellent point. White Jacket may be wearing a wig and could be a female posing as a male.
They clearly want to be seen by the camera. Is this because if Claudia is ever discovered they could claim that they were in this exact position when the crime occured and the crime to be discovered was in a different area?

I recall a crime where the culprit alleged they were hundreds of miles away from home on business, seen checking into a hotel one evening and then going straight out the fire escape and driving back to do the kill. He drove back and checked out the next morning.

Punishing schedule but he created an alibi.

He had a very strong Alibi, police checked the CCTV of the hotel he stayed in and saw him checking in and out the next day.

He fooled them for years until one day his car was caught on camera in the middle of the night driving back to hotel.

Interestingly, one of Claudias Ex's had an alibi that he was in Scarborough on the 18th and returned to Newcastle / Gateshead that night.

Both of these areas are not a massive distance away and were police perhaps using mobile phone tracking to locate where he was and did he leave his phone home alone or have a second phone?

 

[MEKON]

White jacket man is clear how come he or others not flag him after so many years ?

It would not be out of the question that the authorities do have a good ideal who "White jacket" and "alley persons" are

Similarly I am sure members of the public have phoned in with suggestions as well

It would be a possibility these clips of footage that showed the 2 Same people? ; was conducted not just to confirm what they suspected. But it was in order to frighten them

Perhaps the 2 had an alibi and the authorities wanted to 'nudge them in public'

At least one of the two has been flagged on here before. So it's 'odds on' that members of the public have identified at least one of the 2 in question

IMO they are working together and they wanted to be seen

Furthermore; it would not be surprising if the authorities have more CCTV footage on the 2 persons working in cahoots on other occassions



"Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence and three times is enemy action"

 

[oudzuid]

It would not be out of the question that the authorities do have a good ideal who "White jacket" and "alley persons" are

Similarly I am sure members of the public have phoned in with suggestions as well

It would be a possibility these clips of footage that showed the 2 Same people? ; was conducted not just to confirm what they suspected. But it was in order to frighten them

Perhaps the 2 had an alibi and the authorities wanted to 'nudge them in public'

At least one of the two has been flagged on here before. So it's 'odds on' that members of the public have identified at least one of the 2 in question

IMO they are working together and they wanted to be seen

Furthermore; it would not be surprising if the authorities have more CCTV footage on the 2 persons working in cahoots on other occassions



"Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence and three times is enemy action"

@MEKON I agree with you here and this could be the Culprits creating their own Alibi (I wasn't in Acomb) or even to give the impression that Claudia was at home when she wasn't.

 

[Vixey]

Hi @Vixey No he went to Algarve after Claudia disappeared but owed the person in Thailand money. He was messaging from Algarve but then died a few days later???
Heart Attack

I know, Just wondered when Claudia went, and checking as possible one of the names lived next door to the pub! looking into it x

 

[Vixey]

Hi @Vixey No he went to Algarve after Claudia disappeared but owed the person in Thailand money. He was messaging from Algarve but then died a few days later???
Heart Attack

I know, Just wondered when Claudia went, and checking as possible one of the names

It would not be out of the question that the authorities do have a good ideal who "White jacket" and "alley persons" are

Similarly I am sure members of the public have phoned in with suggestions as well

It would be a possibility these clips of footage that showed the 2 Same people? ; was conducted not just to confirm what they suspected. But it was in order to frighten them

Perhaps the 2 had an alibi and the authorities wanted to 'nudge them in public'

At least one of the two has been flagged on here before. So it's 'odds on' that members of the public have identified at least one of the 2 in question

IMO they are working together and they wanted to be seen

Furthermore; it would not be surprising if the authorities have more CCTV footage on the 2 persons working in cahoots on other occassions



"Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence and three times is enemy action"

Agree, They know who and can’t prove it due to the lies and information withheld, eg Tom was with us lot all night, looks like him but I assure you it isn’t x
lived next door to the pub! looking into it x

 

[Popejohn3]

@MEKON
IMO they are working together and they wanted to be seen

If they wanted to be seen why not identify themselves to the authorities?
Because self identification is often the only way !