UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #12

[oudzuid]

It would not be out of the question that the authorities do have a good ideal who "White jacket" and "alley persons" are

Similarly I am sure members of the public have phoned in with suggestions as well

It would be a possibility these clips of footage that showed the 2 Same people? ; was conducted not just to confirm what they suspected. But it was in order to frighten them

Perhaps the 2 had an alibi and the authorities wanted to 'nudge them in public'

At least one of the two has been flagged on here before. So it's 'odds on' that members of the public have identified at least one of the 2 in question

IMO they are working together and they wanted to be seen

Furthermore; it would not be surprising if the authorities have more CCTV footage on the 2 persons working in cahoots on other occassions



"Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence and three times is enemy action"

@MEKON I agree with you here and this could be the Culprits creating their own Alibi (I wasn't in Acomb) or even to give the impression that Claudia was at home when she wasn't.

@MEKON
IMO they are working together and they wanted to be seen

If they wanted to be seen why not identify themselves to the authorities?
Because self identification is often the only way !

They may well have come forward to police. Police are seeking confirmation

 

[Popejohn3]

@MEKON I agree with you here and this could be the Culprits creating their own Alibi (I wasn't in Acomb) or even to give the impression that Claudia was at home when she wasn't.

They may well have come forward to police. Police are seeking confirmation

I would have thought that would be easy to confirm by answering the logical next question:: and where did you go next ? Was it straight on left turn and so on !

 

[oudzuid]

I would have thought that would be easy to confirm by answering the logical next question:: and where did you go next ? Was it straight on left turn and so on !

And again....If they came forward to police the may well have confirmed where they went next. That is if NYP didn't already have that footage.

 

[MEKON]

@MEKON
IMO they are working together and they wanted to be seen

If they wanted to be seen why not identify themselves to the authorities?
Because self identification is often the only way !

Have the 2 people disguised their identities in order to give the impression that strangers were responsible for an act at Claudia's property? Just because a person wants to be seen; does not always mean that they want anyone to know who they really are?

 

[Blonderabbit]

What is the Point.

I keep seeing references to the couple having an argument on university road, the left handed smoker on melrosegate bridge, claudia posting a letter, the alleyway man evening, the alleywayman morning, the ford focus, blah blah blah. We all know what the evidence is, if you do not @oudzuid is a good source of regurgitated media reports - though check sources, as some are not correct - always look at the microsite - if it is not on there it may not be true.

My point here is I can quote the left handed smoker till I am blue in the face - if I cannot tie him in to Claudia's disappearance then what is the point. Alleyway man may of done the manoeuvre twice but what was he doing? Why did Claudia stop using her phone at 8.23pm on the 18th March 2009? Where is her rucksack? when did Claudia leave her house on Heworth Road? Why would someone want to kill Claudia? These are the questions we need to answer. There are would be Sleuths involved, researching this case since its outset in 2009 - give me some theories based on evidence, or logical sound reasoning, probability. Having been on this "Websleuths" or a few weeks, I am disappointed. I have not read anything that leads me to believe anyone has a clue about what happened to Claudia. Case Closed - No further action.

 

[oudzuid]

What is the Point.

I keep seeing references to the couple having an argument on university road, the left handed smoker on melrosegate bridge, claudia posting a letter, the alleyway man evening, the alleywayman morning, the ford focus, blah blah blah. We all know what the evidence is, if you do not @oudzuid is a good source of regurgitated media reports - though check sources, as some are not correct - always look at the microsite - if it is not on there it may not be true.

My point here is I can quote the left handed smoker till I am blue in the face - if I cannot tie him in to Claudia's disappearance then what is the point. Alleyway man may of done the manoeuvre twice but what was he doing? Why did Claudia stop using her phone at 8.23pm on the 18th March 2009? Where is her rucksack? when did Claudia leave her house on Heworth Road? Why would someone want to kill Claudia? These are the questions we need to answer. There are would be Sleuths involved, researching this case since its outset in 2009 - give me some theories based on evidence, or logical sound reasoning, probability. Having been on this "Websleuths" or a few weeks, I am disappointed. I have not read anything that leads me to believe anyone has a clue about what happened to Claudia. Case Closed - No further action.

I agree with some of what you say @Blonderabbit But you can ask as many questions as you like but unless someone can answer them then there is no point asking them.

E.g. "What time did Claudia leave her house"
"When did she last make or answer a call"

I'm sure that even LE would like to know this.

If you read my posts of today I was suggesting that we shouldn't treat a media source as actual but we should look at more sources of information to back up the media and then be sure of our facts. (I do check the microsite)

Finally-Answering the question to where is her rucksack is unlikely to close the case and we don't know that she stopped using her phone at 20:23.
We just don't have evidence or facts as to who she may have spoken to or text after that time-They haven't come forward.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I agree with some of what you say @Blonderabbit But you can ask as many questions as you like but unless someone can answer them then there is no point answering them.

A little unfair re me regurgitating media reports. There are many guilty of doing this far more than me.

If you read my posts of today I was suggesting that we shouldn't treat a media source as actual but we should look at more sources of information to back up the media and then be sure of our facts. (I do check the microsite)

Finally-Answering the question to where is her rucksack is unlikely to close the case and we don't know that she stopped using her phone at 20:23.
We just don't have evidence or facts as to who she may have spoken to or text after that time-They haven't come forward.

We do know her phone fell silent at 8.23pm - it was reported by NYP as part of the original investigation. It is not unfair, It is not a criticism - you have to have note takers.

 

[Yozzer]

7 weeks today will be the 12th anniversary of her disappearance. Time for NYP to give the public a fresh update and Claudia's family to offer a substantial reward to anyone providing evidence that leads to solving the case.

 

[curiosity2]

7 weeks today will be the 12th anniversary of her disappearance. Time for NYP to give the public a fresh update and Claudia's family to offer a substantial reward to anyone providing evidence that leads to solving the case.

Often wondered why PL had never personally offered a reward. Thought PL and MD had started fundraising years ago, but never managed to find out what happened to the proceeds

 

[Popejohn3]

We do know her phone fell silent at 8.23pm - it was reported by NYP as part of the original investigation. It is not unfair, It is not a criticism - you have to have note takers.

I do not understand your last sentence I’m afraid .

 

[Popejohn3]

7 weeks today will be the 12th anniversary of her disappearance. Time for NYP to give the public a fresh update and Claudia's family to offer a substantial reward to anyone providing evidence that leads to solving the case.

Agree but finding her should also be rewarded if at all possible ?

 

[Popejohn3]

What is the Point.

I keep seeing references to the couple having an argument on university road, the left handed smoker on melrosegate bridge, claudia posting a letter, the alleyway man evening, the alleywayman morning, the ford focus, blah blah blah. We all know what the evidence is, if you do not @oudzuid is a good source of regurgitated media reports - though check sources, as some are not correct - always look at the microsite - if it is not on there it may not be true.

My point here is I can quote the left handed smoker till I am blue in the face - if I cannot tie him in to Claudia's disappearance then what is the point. Alleyway man may of done the manoeuvre twice but what was he doing? Why did Claudia stop using her phone at 8.23pm on the 18th March 2009? Where is her rucksack? when did Claudia leave her house on Heworth Road? Why would someone want to kill Claudia? These are the questions we need to answer. There are would be Sleuths involved, researching this case since its outset in 2009 - give me some theories based on evidence, or logical sound reasoning, probability. Having been on this "Websleuths" or a few weeks, I am disappointed. I have not read anything that leads me to believe anyone has a clue about what happened to Claudia. Case Closed - No further action.

I feel sorry for you ! Maybe someone has misled you about that Claudia’s WS site ... check it out someone knows something there mate !
Anyone with a decent clue would have passed it on to the police long time ago .
I’ve said this many times before : if you know something don’t bother putting it here go to the police first !
Oh and do it Yesterday!

 

[Popejohn3]

What is the Point.

I keep seeing references to the couple having an argument on university road, the left handed smoker on melrosegate bridge, claudia posting a letter, the alleyway man evening, the alleywayman morning, the ford focus, blah blah blah. We all know what the evidence is, if you do not @oudzuid is a good source of regurgitated media reports - though check sources, as some are not correct - always look at the microsite - if it is not on there it may not be true.

My point here is I can quote the left handed smoker till I am blue in the face - if I cannot tie him in to Claudia's disappearance then what is the point. Alleyway man may of done the manoeuvre twice but what was he doing? Why did Claudia stop using her phone at 8.23pm on the 18th March 2009? Where is her rucksack? when did Claudia leave her house on Heworth Road? Why would someone want to kill Claudia? These are the questions we need to answer. There are would be Sleuths involved, researching this case since its outset in 2009 - give me some theories based on evidence, or logical sound reasoning, probability. Having been on this "Websleuths" or a few weeks, I am disappointed. I have not read anything that leads me to believe anyone has a clue about what happened to Claudia. Case Closed - No further action.

Case closed-No further action says someone who probably have other cases to solve ... that would be fair enough I guess .
But many here I’m guessing have no other cases to solve... I’m one of them.
If you check other CL sites you’ll notice that you get two three comments a week if that !
How many comments on here ?

 

[Popejohn3]

What is the Point.

I keep seeing references to the couple having an argument on university road, the left handed smoker on melrosegate bridge, claudia posting a letter, the alleyway man evening, the alleywayman morning, the ford focus, blah blah blah. We all know what the evidence is, if you do not @oudzuid is a good source of regurgitated media reports - though check sources, as some are not correct - always look at the microsite - if it is not on there it may not be true.

My point here is I can quote the left handed smoker till I am blue in the face - if I cannot tie him in to Claudia's disappearance then what is the point. Alleyway man may of done the manoeuvre twice but what was he doing? Why did Claudia stop using her phone at 8.23pm on the 18th March 2009? Where is her rucksack? when did Claudia leave her house on Heworth Road? Why would someone want to kill Claudia? These are the questions we need to answer. There are would be Sleuths involved, researching this case since its outset in 2009 - give me some theories based on evidence, or logical sound reasoning, probability. Having been on this "Websleuths" or a few weeks, I am disappointed. I have not read anything that leads me to believe anyone has a clue about what happened to Claudia. Case Closed - No further action.

One of the answer to one of your questions:
No one wanted to kill ... in fact some here believe she is still alive ... but perhaps a push / blow too far ?

 

[oudzuid]

We do know her phone fell silent at 8.23pm - it was reported by NYP as part of the original investigation. It is not unfair, It is not a criticism - you have to have note takers.

@Blonderabbit I would like to put the record straight here:

It was reported that her call FROM Mum (INBOUND) was at circa 20:20 and ended Circa 20:32

Whilst CL phone activity can be remotely provided by her mobile service provider (Itemised Billing-Available in 2009) this will only show OUTBOUND activity from Claudia's phone.

It will not show INBOUND calls.

So unless someone that CL Texts or calls admits to " I called Claudia / Text her on Wednesday 18th March at 21:15" we will never know.

This is important because I believe that you are suggesting the "Kill" took place on or very soon after the call with Joan Lawrence.

NYP may have not said that her phone fell silent at 20:23. To make such a statement they would have to see Outbound calls listed and have witness evidence of INBUND calling.
To the best of my knowledge, no one has claimed to have contacted her after 20:23
Only Steve Sammons was reported to have sent his last text to her at C 21:00. The famous text that she never replied to.

But we could read many things into this:

1. She had fallen asleep
2. She chose not to reply
3. She did not notice the message
4. She was otherwise occupied (Perhaps having passion or even travelling somewhere)

Equally as has been said on here before, Sammons says he sent the message at 21:00 (He was sending from Cyprus) This could mean that the text was sent at UK time of 19:00?

If you were interviewed in Cyprus and asked about sending texts (He gave police his phone it was alleged) You would reply-"I sent my last text to CL at 21:00"

Finally, Can you explain @Blonderabbit What you mean by "You have to have note takers"

 

[Popejohn3]

Thinking about what Blonderrabbit in his now iconic lol what is the point post :
Did Claudia loose or had her bag stolen ?
After 8:30 pm . Did she report this to the police and is this why they reacted so quickly ?
I know it’s far fetched but ...

 

[oudzuid]

We do know her phone fell silent at 8.23pm - it was reported by NYP as part of the original investigation. It is not unfair, It is not a criticism - you have to have note takers.

@Blonderabbit I would like to put the record straight here:

It was reported that her call FROM Mum (INBOUND) was at circa 20:20 and ended Circa 20:32

Whilst CL phone activity can be remotely provided by her mobile service provider (Itemised Billing-Available in 2009) this will only show OUTBOUND activity from Claudia's phone.

It will not show INBOUND calls.

So unless someone that CL Texts or calls admits to "Claudia called / Text me on Wednesday 18th March at 21:15" we will never know.

This is important because I believe that you are suggesting the "Kill" took place on or very soon after the call with Joan Lawrence.

NYP may have not said that her phone fell silent at 20:23. To make such a statement they would have to see Outbound calls listed and have witness evidence of INBUND calling.
To the best of my knowledge, no one has claimed to have contacted her after 20:23
Only Steve Sammons was reported to have sent his last text to her at C 21:00. The famous text that she never replied to.

But we could read many things into this:

1. She had fallen asleep
2. She chose not to reply
3. She did not notice the message
4. She was otherwise occupied (Perhaps having passion or even travelling somewhere)

Equally as has been said on here before, Sammons says he sent the message at 21:00 (He was sending from Cyprus) This could mean that the text was sent at UK time of 19:00?

If you were interviewed in Cyprus and asked about sending texts (He gave police his phone it was alleged) You would reply-"I sent my last text to CL at 21:00"

Finally, Can you explain @Blonderabbit What you mean by "You have to have note takers"

Thinking about what Blonderrabbit in his now iconic lol what is the point post :
Did Claudia loose or had her bag stolen ?
After 8:30 pm . Did she report this to the p
police and is this why they reacted so quickly ?
I know it’s far fetched but ...

@Popejohn3 No it is not far fetched and it is a very good observation, one that has not been mentioned before and shows that everyone can provided new material at any time.

I had wondered if the police rapid response was because the Male mentioned on this thread (The Blind Fitter from Aycliffe) had gone missing and last tracked in Acomb had also disappeared of the grid (NYP looking now for two missing adults, one male and one female) The excellent find from @FromGermany .

Sadly not many people seemed as interested in this as some other less credible reporting's.

 

[Popejohn3]

Thinking about what Blonderrabbit in his now iconic lol what is the point post :
Did Claudia loose or had her bag stolen ?
After 8:30 pm . Did she report this to the police and is this why they reacted so quickly ?
I know it’s far fetched but ...

Or could she have dialled 999 But did not have time to speak !
Sorry my kid dialled 999 he’s going straight to bed !
Trivial until the news of her disappearance that is and would the police make this info public ?
Yes that would make 8.23 specific @Blonderabbit

 

[Blonderabbit]

Someone’s been playing with the microsite - check the dates at times.
Timeline

 

[Popejohn3]

Good now we know that both morning sightings happened on the 19 th