UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #13

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It is on the link I posted above! Can you date it Ouudzuid!

October 2009 @Vixey But those bricks in the photo were there from 2008 to 2015.
I think if they were part of a house then the mortgage would be paid off
Wonder whose bricks they were and was the builder and pub landlord in dispute over them??

We know a few builders and so did Claudia???

 

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Is anyone aware of a comment regarding Claudia in her younger days walking in on something that a girl of her age should never have seen?

I found this comment strange and wondered if it was relevant to any particular rift or part of this case?

 

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There have been many comments regarding CL ability to afford her property at Heworth Road, however I do believe that she worked hard and was able to pay for this herself. Her parents may well have helped her with a down payment, but that's not unusual between families.

What I would like to discuss is the affordability of CL friend JK's apartment at Eboracum Way, York.
JK lived with CL prior to this when she was practically homeless and then all of a sudden she is living in relative luxury?

I make this comment as I believe there s relevance to the relationship with one of POI's.

 

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@Vixey why don’t you ask Jo what car she drove?

I'm not a car enthusiast @Blonderabbit but this was the car used in the crime watch reconstruction-Is it a Vauxhall Vectra-Now replaced by Insignia.

 

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If you check Google street walk you will see that a small red/maroon car is regulary parked outside in the layby or around the corner past the telephone box.
Google Maps

Google Maps

Normally this would suggest the car owner was a local business user / shopkeeper / resident @keep-it-real

 

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There has been talk about Claudia being involved with a certain community. I'm sure Freemasonry, the Irish angle, Drug gangs and Adult communities etc have been mentioned

I wonder if a toxic mix has been made worse by an already established feud between a Cypriot and a Turkish family

Or Gypsies. Giving them their politically correct name today (GRT) Gypsy Romany Travellers. @MEKON

 

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I missed something to do with Turkey/Turkish?? Shop owner near postbox?

I believe the reference was regarding the Pavlou brothers (Cypriot) who owned a city centre nightclub @FromGermany and were involved in a property purchase from LH and DH. Who owned a car breakers yard. LH was one of CL's married boyfriends.

 

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At around 20 seconds into the video; does Claudia unnaturally look distinctly towards the shops?

Yes she does @MEKON

 

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I wish and hope that all police get the opportunity to get the vaccine as a priority so they can get a move on !

@Popejohn3 I believe that there is only one detective keeping the camp fire burning currently. I find him quite receptive to enquiries and I always get a response from him.

 

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The protection wasn’t that good in that case was it ?
Plus if CL was informing surely the police would have had the very latest on her / their targets ?

I believe police did have @Popejohn3 But Proof is wonderful thing.

 

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Hmm is the edit button still visible @Vixey ?
Lol

@Popejohn3 I don't think any need for @Vixey to edit here as this is quite a perceptive view of the case that we should all explore.

 

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Its interesting a £10,000 reward was offered then withdrawn I believe it was offered again and then again withdrawn correct me if Im wrong on this point. Was there a reason for this? Was information received via those offers of monies to enable the police to bring a case before the CPS?
I agree with you @Vixey that CL was different not only educationally but also in her lifestyle choices. She mixed with people from a very early age who most girls of her age and background would not have had anything to do with some of those people its said she still retained a connection with. Connections cannot help but become more complex as people move in different directions personally and lets say proffessionally.
Within this complex situation did a relationship she had within that particular group become less important to the other person and Claudia chose to make a decision that would not only have repercussions for that person but also for a wider group connected to that person and the activities they were involved in.
She had a good education in my opinion a double cross situation cannot be ruled out here, she would have been clever enough to orchestrate it in a more discreet way than others might.
Did she go to LE or did like @Vixey suggest they get to her?
Either way the fact that she moved to a property on the doorstep of a Pub frequented by 'rogues' made it her place of choice for socialising up to 4 times a week forged best friend status with 2 females, entering into a relationship with a married man within that establishment, took holidays with the 2 females, one of which she invited into her home for a year long stay after only knowing her for a short time.
Some might not see her place of work an important choice in all this but I do.

Im not sure she revealed something on the Friday as you suggest @Vixey but if she was working alongside LE as I suspect. I think she got rumbled, and that set off a chain of events which led up to her disappearance.
Did the female friend she took in when she needed a place to stay for a year let her know she had been rumbled?

Certainly from what I can see and it is only my opinion she was being protected in the days leading up to her disappearance

IMO
Dyor

@keep-it-real Interesting comments:

"Did the female friend she took in when she needed a place to stay for a year let her know she had been rumbled?"

My view is was this the other way round?

"Certainly from what I can see and it is only my opinion she was being protected in the days leading up to her disappearance"

Quite possibly

 

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The red van we see as Claudia is leaving on foot in the uni grounds ?

Were Transcore not the main subcontractor taking part in the building of a new block at the time @Vixey. They used Red vans.

Was it reported by locals and students that there was a suspicion that CL could have been buried in the concrete founds?

A student wrote to Dai Malyn at one point to express their suspicions but no search took place, much to this information providers disgust.

 

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To me the hairstyle is looking wrong, even the colour .....

Are you saying that is not Claudia posting something in the postal box?

I say that because I saw some footage on this discussion list a few months ago of the same location but on the next morning at approx the time Claudia would walk to work. The person was on the same side but walking the opposite way.


Coming towards and past this person from the opposite direction was a chap of Afro-Caribbean ethnicity?

Everyone said that was not Claudia when I thought it looked very much like her

There isn't a lady that looks like Claudia who walks that way in the morning and afternoon is there!?

 

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Are you saying that is not Claudia posting something in the postal box?

I say that because I saw some footage on this discussion list a few months ago of the same location but on the next morning at approx the time Claudia would walk to work. The person was on the same side but walking the opposite way.


Coming towards and past this person from the opposite direction was a chap of Afro-Caribbean ethnicity?

Everyone said that was not Claudia when I thought it looked very much like her

There isn't a lady that looks like Claudia who walks that way in the morning and afternoon is there!?

@MEKON When CL Dad viewed the content oc cctv of her walking home, he commented regarding the shots of her walking through the UNI grounds as "That's Claudia"

When he viewed the cctv footage of her posting something he commented "That looks like Claudia" he was unsure and hesitant.

The shot of the PO Box was clearer than the shots at the UNI ?????

 

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I believe the reference was regarding the Pavlou brothers (Cypriot) who owned a city centre nightclub @FromGermany and were involved in a property purchase from LH and DH. Who owned a car breakers yard. LH was one of CL's married boyfriends.

Does anyone know who owned the shop with no windows that Vixey shared with us earlier. It's the shop next to the Melrosegate Post Office I think?

 

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I believe police did have @Popejohn3 But Proof is wonderful thing.

New boyfriend was a police officer a friend said! Their thoughts, or claudias explanation is possible. Gets a call and ups and leaves(odd) Spending time in acomb with who? who was the smartly dressed male at her door, not a sure but did he have a brief case? neighbour said put in the back of a car, to talk ? just thoughts pope xx

 

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@MEKON When CL Dad viewed the content oc cctv of her walking home, he commented regarding the shots of her walking through the UNI grounds as "That's Claudia"

When he viewed the cctv footage of her posting something he commented "That looks like Claudia" he was unsure and hesitant.

The shot of the PO Box was clearer than the shots at the UNI ?????

Nevermind an adaptation of 'The Moscow Rules' then

"FINX" we need an adaptation of the "Double Dutch Rules" with all the shannigans that's gone on in this case....

 

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Were Transcore not the main subcontractor taking part in the building of a new block at the time @Vixey. They used Red vans.

Was it reported by locals and students that there was a suspicion that CL could have been buried in the concrete founds?

A student wrote to Dai Malyn at one point to express their suspicions but no search took place, much to this information providers disgust.

Yes, Though uni and the lake on the uni site was searched very early on wasn’t it. I just think a really daft thing to do in that situation IMO. Security and cctv at uni also x

 

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Normally this would suggest the car owner was a local business user / shopkeeper / resident @keep-it-real

Yes was trying to figure out who’s x