UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #13

[keep-it-real]

Yes plenty of places out of sight of the general public, safe options would be private land, possibly where there are stables, paddocks etc, plenty around York and Malton

Two quick witted individuals who can think on their feet, I'll give them that. Don't think they would risk a building project disposal imo. Too obvious

Perhaps someone who possibly had connections to someone who was a land owner with a horses/stables/horse racing connection and another who had connections with the building trade.
I did previously see a photo of AC & his son at the races but am unable to locate it again.. can you help me out here @Vixey do you know the one I mean?

 

[Bagpipes]

What about that creepy chap that lived at Chop Gate, bodies found on the premises, they say they could have been there for several decades.
Just goes to show, in desolate, remote places things can be hidden.
Wonder if the police have found out who they were?

Human remains found at former home of jailed Yorkshire stalker

 

[Popejohn3]

Was jk working on that Wednesday night ?
I thought she was not !?

 

[MEKON]

I cant imagine what must go through someone's mind when they discover they have a body on their hands
Once they have decided to conceal it and the thought process:

• "Do we drive to the river-No it will float or turn up soon"
• "Do we drive to the moors, there are plenty within an hour of York-No what if our car is stopped at this time of night"
• "A shallow grave is far more risky"
• "Who owes us who can help us-Family or not?"
• "What about x with the car disposal yard"
• "I know-I've got to fill the foundations of a property this week-Where can we store temporarily or can we go straight there?"

Its fair to say, if you follow my theory, the Culprit(s) had some safe options
And
Nearly 12 years on-Their choice was a good one.

I know every case is unique and can be influenced by what particular 'avenues' are at hand; but I did a quick search on the statistics of hiding victims

It's not a ''Double Dutch Mickey take''; it was the first link that appeared:

Murderers often bury their victims close to last sighting: Dutch research - DutchNews.nl



I'm sure they'd be similar statistics available for the U.K


It may be obvious and been suggested; but has any houses in the area had extensions added, floor work conducted in a Garage on the house, a concrete base put in with a Greenhouse or Shed. I'd of thought business premises are a possibility. Or has someone panicked and used their Garden for the purpose

 

[oudzuid]

I know every case is unique and can be influenced by what particular 'avenues' are at hand; but I did a quick search on the statistics of hiding victims

It's not a ''Double Dutch Mickey take''; it was the first link that appeared:

Murderers often bury their victims close to last sighting: Dutch research - DutchNews.nl


I'm sure they'd be similar statistics available for the U.K


It may be obvious and been suggested; but has any houses in the area had extensions added, floor work conducted in a Garage on the house, a concrete base put in with a Greenhouse or Shed. I'd of thought business premises are a possibility. Or has someone panicked and used their Garden for the purpose

@MEKON If a body was buried close then due to the time passed it was more likely to have not been placed in a shallow grave

If my theory is correct, we are dealing with a Narcissist and so perhaps that tunes us in more to what happens next.

I provide my reason to describing the culprit as a Narcissist:

• Everything is all about them
• They are never wrong
• It is always someone else's fault
• If the culprit killed CL then she deserved it and it was not the killers fault
• The culprit feels that they are suffering far more than CL

You could argue that many people would justify their actions in the above way.

However, I know that this person continues to behave in this way whenever they get the opportunity in MSM or social media.

I am watching regularly how this person interacts in social media and whilst during the current pandemic we are all suffering from not being able to undertake our daily lives in the same way. This persons suffering is far worse:

• I cant go to the Gym
• My ailment is getting worse
• I cant go to the pub
• I am struggling with my mental well being

Well guess what-This applies to us all xxculprit and we get on with it

The same person has never acknowledged CL anniversary of disappearance but their online messages are often about other missing persons and the only time you hear from this person is when Sky or BBC turn up to do a film shoot.

Total Narcissist and they will never crack because they believe that they did no wrong, it was CL fault and they are justified in what they do.

The problem is that whilst their partner is a giant of a person, they are very weak and controlled by the culprit.

The fairer sex???

 

[Andyboy]

@MEKON If a body was buried close then due to the time passed it was more likely to have not been placed in a shallow grave

If my theory is correct, we are dealing with a Narcissist and so perhaps that tunes us in more to what happens next.

I provide my reason to describing the culprit as a Narcissist:

• Everything is all about them
• They are never wrong
• It is always someone else's fault
• If the culprit killed CL then she deserved it and it was not the killers fault
• The culprit feels that they are suffering far more than CL

You could argue that many people would justify their actions in the above way.

However, I know that this person continues to behave in this way whenever they get the opportunity in MSM or social media.

I am watching regularly how this person interacts in social media and whilst during the current pandemic we are all suffering from not being able to undertake our daily lives in the same way. This persons suffering is far worse:

• I cant go to the Gym
• My ailment is getting worse
• I cant go to the pub
• I am struggling with my mental well being

Well guess what-This applies to us all xxculprit and we get on with it

The same person has never acknowledged CL anniversary of disappearance but their online messages are often about other missing persons and the only time you hear from this person is when Sky or BBC turn up to do a film shoot.

Total Narcissist and they will never crack because they believe that they did no wrong, it was CL fault and they are justified in what they do.

The problem is that whilst their partner is a giant of a person, they are very weak and controlled by the culprit.

The fairer sex???

Is it frankie howerds lurkio, woe, woe and thrice woe, very similar

 

[Bagpipes]

Yorkshire moors a vast and somewhat desolate place, and not too far away

Just had a quick Google, there are often bodies found, unburied, on the daless and moors that have lay undiscovered for decades. Seems the obvious choice to me.
As you say, not too far away.

 

[Andyboy]

Just had a quick Google, there are often bodies found, unburied, on the daless and moors that have lay undiscovered for decades. Seems the obvious choice to me.
As you say, not too far away.

I remember years ago the police took Hindley and brady to the moors on a body location expedition and they couldn't find the bodies and they buried them, so it doesn't seem the worst place to dispose of some poor unfortunate

 

[AcbMurders]

I remember years ago the police took Hindley and brady to the moors on a body location expedition and they couldn't find the bodies and they buried them, so it doesn't seem the worst place to dispose of some poor unfortunate

Or a body could be dumped in the middle of a Cumbrian lake and secured to the bottom, as in this case Lady in the Lake trial - Wikipedia
POI’s connections with the Lake District, frequent visits... just thinking...

 

[keep-it-real]

@Tri-Lambda delta is it possible for you to rotate this picture to enable clear view of these 3 parked vehicles.. if you can front and above view would be helpful
خرائط ‪Google‬‏‏

 

[Bagpipes]

Or a body could be dumped in the middle of a Cumbrian lake and secured to the bottom, as in this case Lady in the Lake trial - Wikipedia
POI’s connections with the Lake District, frequent visits... just thinking...

That's an interesting read, how tragic that both Carol and her sister were killed by their partners.

 

[Tri-Lambda delta]

@Tri-Lambda delta is it possible for you to rotate this picture to enable clear view of these 3 parked vehicles.. if you can front and above view would be helpful
خرائط ‪Google‬‏‏

These 3 on the left? Or the ones ahead?

 

[MEKON]

@MEKON If a body was buried close then due to the time passed it was more likely to have not been placed in a shallow grave

If my theory is correct, we are dealing with a Narcissist and so perhaps that tunes us in more to what happens next.


The hypochondriacal (Somatoform disorder) symptoms you describe are according to Millon (DISORDERS OF PERSONALITY,1981 CH6); often associated with a Narcissist disorder. Interesting and in depth traits and the behavioural patterns of Narcissists; are described in detail within the book

Similarly; an Effective disorder (Dysthymic disorder) is also a symptom disorder commonly associated with Narcissists

Other associated disorders such as Anxiety and Paranoid disorders are less common

 

[keep-it-real]

These 3 on the left? Or the ones ahead?

Sorry I should have been more clear.. The ones straight ahead

 

[Tri-Lambda delta]

Sorry I should have been more clear.. The ones straight ahead

 

[keep-it-real]

Yes those are the vehicles. can you get a rotated view on them. From them from the front and above?

 

[Tri-Lambda delta]

Yes those are the vehicles. can you get a rotated view on them. From them from the front and above?

I very much doubt it... I can't access pics that dont exist :-(

BUT... I took a look at that POND and then found this article... on a John Shelton Carey, age 27 (in 27th Dec 2019).. making him a boy racer [of age 16 or 17 back in 2009 when Claudia went missing], of Orchard Gardens, Huntington, York who just happened to crash and burn out his blue Vauxhall Astra VXR... [isn't that the .... ohhh wrong one... it was a white vauxhall astra wasn't it... parked outside costcutter.

Back on track...The speeding car was a FORD FOCUS 2009... and crazily the Vauxhall Astra VXR 2009 does look like a Ford Focus 2009 in the dark! Fluke?] What if he was the 17year old boy racer (a crazy hypothesis) that screeched at her door and drove into her by accident?

Jailed: Driver who pursued love rival at 100mph through York and crashed into a pond

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10633833/jealous-boyfriend-man-affair-girlfriend-case/ Hmm... this John Carey is someone who has affairs with your girlfriend. Interesting.

 

[oudzuid]

I very much doubt it... I can't access pics that dont exist :-(

BUT... I took a look at that POND and then found this article... on a John Shelton Carey, age 27 (in 27th Dec 2019).. making him a boy racer [of age 16 or 17 back in 2009 when Claudia went missing], of Orchard Gardens, Huntington, York who just happened to crash and burn out his blue Vauxhall Astra VXR... [isn't that the .... ohhh wrong one... it was a white vauxhall astra wasn't it... parked outside costcutter.

Back on track...The speeding car was a FORD FOCUS 2009... and crazily the Vauxhall Astra VXR 2009 does look like a Ford Focus 2009 in the dark! Fluke?] What if he was the 17year old boy racer (a crazy hypothesis) that screeched at her door and drove into her by accident?

Jailed: Driver who pursued love rival at 100mph through York and crashed into a pond

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10633833/jealous-boyfriend-man-affair-girlfriend-case/ Hmm... this John Carey is someone who has affairs with your girlfriend. Interesting.

Good Spot @Tri-Lambda delta and lets hope that LE are watching this thread as they may wish to either do a pond dive or at the least re interview him for his whereabouts in 2009??

But if she did meet her fate in this way:

A. She would have been leaving the house very late for getting to work
B. Somehow her best "Friend" had a knowledge of the accident "Gone before she hit the ground" and to not tell police about this would be classed as withholding evidence would it not?

 

[keep-it-real]

I very much doubt it... I can't access pics that dont exist :-(

BUT... I took a look at that POND and then found this article... on a John Shelton Carey, age 27 (in 27th Dec 2019).. making him a boy racer [of age 16 or 17 back in 2009 when Claudia went missing], of Orchard Gardens, Huntington, York who just happened to crash and burn out his blue Vauxhall Astra VXR... [isn't that the .... ohhh wrong one... it was a white vauxhall astra wasn't it... parked outside costcutter.

Back on track...The speeding car was a FORD FOCUS 2009... and crazily the Vauxhall Astra VXR 2009 does look like a Ford Focus 2009 in the dark! Fluke?] What if he was the 17year old boy racer (a crazy hypothesis) that screeched at her door and drove into her by accident?

Jailed: Driver who pursued love rival at 100mph through York and crashed into a pond

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10633833/jealous-boyfriend-man-affair-girlfriend-case/ Hmm... this John Carey is someone who has affairs with your girlfriend. Interesting.

To be honest it was another person who I thought may have been working for Simpsons that took me to that location.
That aside I would be interested to know if any of these lads worked for Simpsons, as when the bus passes the white van parked outside Quartz travel there appears to be someone in the passenger seat.

 

[Tri-Lambda delta]

Good Spot @Tri-Lambda delta and lets hope that LE are watching this thread as they may wish to either do a pond dive or at the least re interview him for his whereabouts in 2009??

But if she did meet her fate in this way:

A. She would have been leaving the house very late for getting to work
B. Somehow her best "Friend" had a knowledge of the accident "Gone before she hit the ground" and to not tell police about this would be classed as withholding evidence would it not?

For sure