UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #13

[Yozzer]

Proof that the suspected person/persons responsible were caught on cctv? (My bold font). I think Malyn is suggesting the 'hiding in plain sight' theory loud and clear.

Did cops' obsession with missing Claudia’s 'complex' sex life let her killer slip through the net?

'Det Supt Malyn added: “We can’t rule out that a complete stranger to Claudia
was involved and managed to avoid CCTV cameras, being disturbed by witnesses and is unknown to the investigation team, her friends and family. However, I strongly favour the theory that the person — or persons —
responsible for Claudia’s disappearance were close to her.” '

 

[Bagpipes]

No, it's correct. I'm trying to find whether she was interviewed under caution but she complained very vocally (after charges against the 4 were dropped) about being in the middle of it and how the only thing she was guilty of was being her friend and how Claudia wasn't the only victim.

Yes, sorry I was being tongue in cheek, Joking without the O.

 

[oudzuid]

I was thinking of someone very close to one of the perps who was being interviewed when they were being accused of murder. Whether she was interviewed voluntarily I'm not sure, but by her own account, she was right in the middle of the police accusations.

I believe that this was the scenario @Yozzer.

It is only my opinion and perhaps others should do their own research but it goes like this:

At some point after CL returned home from work, she goes out and returns back to her cottage

She has arranged to meet with someone who she is in a relationship with, he has been having personal issues and we know that CL has been helping someone with this.

She goes out of her back door so as not to be seen and crosses the Alley into one of terraced houses where her "New Friend" is awaiting.

They have some fun, watch some telly, she checks her phone and does her normal texting

Her Dad calls, her Mum calls.

CL and her "Friend both enjoy Location, Location, Location" Perhaps he will build CL her dream location one day?

She returns a text to JK about "working 12 shifts on the trot, no fun for me" JK is suspicious of the text as she knows that CL is meeting SC on Thursday night and so knows the text is inaccurate. She knows that CL is also meeting her Dad on Friday and that CL doesn't work weekends and Mothers Day is approaching
(She reads this text as an F Off message)

JK feels she is being snubbed for some reason?

CL is clearly distancing herself from someone at Nags Head and so hasn't attended as normal since weekend (She was helping JK also with a problem that weekend)

It was the SAME problem and CL was the cause of the problem.

CL goes to bed with "new" friend as things are getting steamy.

Its now after 9 at the Nags and one of staff goes on their break, they smoke and so they go outside. They can see a light on in their boyfriends house and he is supposed to be working late?

She lets herself into boyfriends house and catches CL and boyfriend inflagranti.

A row emerges

CL gets caught in the crossfire and somehow she is strangled by the wire of her curling tongs.

"She is gone before she hits the ground"

The two return to CL house and make sure it looks like CL has just left for work. One of the two has an intimate knowledge of how CL lives and so it makes the setting of the scene easier, except someone always makes a mistake and

• They put the wrong slippers by the door-Joan spots this at a later date
• When they stage the scene, they forget that if she is supposed to look like fleeing she would have taken her handbag and passport / cards
• The man puts a footprint on her bathroom scales.

SC has a very good idea of what has happened but has already lost one friend and doesn't want to lose another and knows what the implications for the close group of Nags friends would be.

PL has his suspicions and will have shared them with police.

SC and PL remain close to friends to see if they can glean any information

Sightings

Breaking car-Car was flashing rear fog lights AFTER it passed someone they knew that morning to signal to them-It wasn't breaking

Alley man Evening-An admirer of CL who didn't know that she was seeing someone else that night, checking up on her as she didn't answer her door
Alley man Morning-Same person but starting to feel they were being avoided-Not Guilty of murder though.
White Jacket man was DR in the evening on his way to Nags
White Jacket man again was DR-It was his Maroon Volvo
Melrosegate sub station sighting-Not relevant
University Road argument-The two culprits having a row about where to put the body in the Maroon Volvo car they had borrowed that was always parked in HP
People at CL door (Man with fringe, Two men the week before, Person on morning) All CL's complex and mysterious friends)
Hair Dye, To make it look like she had changed her identity and fled

I recall one of CL friends saying "If I knew who murdered CL I would march them straight to the police station"

But what if it wasn't murder but manslaughter and that person was the culprit?
Would they march themselves to the cop shop?

And so it was a dreadful accident but because of CL complex and mysterious relationships.

Oh so many killings happen in this way.

She was a Lovely Lovely lass, she enjoyed her life and was single so why not-She didn't deserve to die for it though.

Tragic for all involved but its time for the truth to out.......

IMO DYOR

 

[oudzuid]

Reckon DO will be one of them.

No he is just a sad silly boy who wanted 15 minutes of fame.

 

[Bagpipes]

No he is just a sad silly boy who wanted 15 minutes of fame.

Maybe, but he had 'issues' with CL. That much is evident. And the police have spoken with him on numerous occasions.
Maybe DW is a POI? The way he spoke about CL to the press was shocking.

 

[Bagpipes]

I believe that this was the scenario @Yozzer.

It is only my opinion and perhaps others should do their own research but it goes like this:

At some point after CL returned home from work, she goes out and returns back to her cottage

She has arranged to meet with someone who she is in a relationship with, he has been having personal issues and we know that CL has been helping someone with this.

She goes out of her back door so as not to be seen and crosses the Alley into one of terraced houses where her "New Friend" is awaiting.

They have some fun, watch some telly, she checks her phone and does her normal texting

Her Dad calls, her Mum calls.

CL and her "Friend both enjoy Location, Location, Location" Perhaps he will build CL her dream location one day?

She returns a text to JK about "working 12 shifts on the trot, no fun for me" JK is suspicious of the text as she knows that CL is meeting SC on Thursday night and so knows the text is inaccurate. She knows that CL is also meeting her Dad on Friday and that CL doesn't work weekends and Mothers Day is approaching
(She reads this text as an F Off message)

JK feels she is being snubbed for some reason?

CL is clearly distancing herself from someone at Nags Head and so hasn't attended as normal since weekend (She was helping JK also with a problem that weekend)

It was the SAME problem and CL was the cause of the problem.

CL goes to bed with "new" friend as things are getting steamy.

Its now after 9 at the Nags and one of staff goes on their break, they smoke and so they go outside. They can see a light on in their boyfriends house and he is supposed to be working late?

She lets herself into boyfriends house and catches CL and boyfriend inflagranti.

A row emerges

CL gets caught in the crossfire and somehow she is strangled by the wire of her curling tongs.

"She is gone before she hits the ground"

The two return to CL house and make sure it looks like CL has just left for work. One of the two has an intimate knowledge of how CL lives and so it makes the setting of the scene easier, except someone always makes a mistake and

• They put the wrong slippers by the door-Joan spots this at a later date
• When they stage the scene, they forget that if she is supposed to look like fleeing she would have taken her handbag and passport / cards
• The man puts a footprint on her bathroom scales.

SC has a very good idea of what has happened but has already lost one friend and doesn't want to lose another and knows what the implications for the close group of Nags friends would be.

PL has his suspicions and will have shared them with police.

SC and PL remain close to friends to see if they can glean any information

Sightings

Breaking car-Car was flashing rear fog lights AFTER it passed someone they knew that morning to signal to them-It wasn't breaking

Alley man Evening-An admirer of CL who didn't know that she was seeing someone else that night, checking up on her as she didn't answer her door
Alley man Morning-Same person but starting to feel they were being avoided-Not Guilty of murder though.
White Jacket man was DR in the evening on his way to Nags
White Jacket man again was DR-It was his Maroon Volvo
Melrosegate sub station sighting-Not relevant
University Road argument-The two culprits having a row about where to put the body in the Maroon Volvo car they had borrowed that was always parked in HP
People at CL door (Man with fringe, Two men the week before, Person on morning) All CL's complex and mysterious friends)
Hair Dye, To make it look like she had changed her identity and fled

I recall one of CL friends saying "If I knew who murdered CL I would march them straight to the police station"

But what if it wasn't murder but manslaughter and that person was the culprit?
Would they march themselves to the cop shop?

And so it was a dreadful accident but because of CL complex and mysterious relationships.

Oh so many killings happen in this way.

She was a Lovely Lovely lass, she enjoyed her life and was single so why not-She didn't deserve to die for it though.

Tragic for all involved but its time for the truth to out.......

IMO DYOR

I'm in agreement with much of this, plays out differently but involves the same people and crux of the plot.

 

[Bagpipes]

Something happened at the NH on Gold Cup day IMO which triggered the chain of events and why CL was avoiding the NH and possible confrontation

 

[curiosity2]

DBM

 

[Yozzer]

dbm

 

[curiosity2]

Sorry, Laptop playing up. Oudzuid -You think that PL had his suspicions. If it happened as above I wonder why PL didn't distance himself from the NH crowd and why his firm continued to undertake legal work for the POI's business

 

[Yozzer]

@Bagpipe's Silly boy quote acredited to @Yozzer.
@Yozzer didn't say this, it was @oudzuid's quote. But I agree with the sentiments.

Am I not the only one having problems with quotes on here today?

 

[Bagpipes]

You think that PL had his suspicions If it happened as above I wonder why PL didn't distance himself from the NH crowd and why his firm continued to undertake legal work for the POI's business

Keeping his eyes and ears open I would imagine

 

[Yozzer]

You think that PL had his suspicions If it happened as above I wonder why PL didn't distance himself from the NH crowd and why his firm continued to undertake legal work for the POI's business

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

 

[curiosity2]

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Whilst that makes sense, just get the feeling there is more to it than meets the eye

 

[AcbMurders]

I believe that this was the scenario @Yozzer.

It is only my opinion and perhaps others should do their own research but it goes like this:

At some point after CL returned home from work, she goes out and returns back to her cottage

She has arranged to meet with someone who she is in a relationship with, he has been having personal issues and we know that CL has been helping someone with this.

She goes out of her back door so as not to be seen and crosses the Alley into one of terraced houses where her "New Friend" is awaiting.

They have some fun, watch some telly, she checks her phone and does her normal texting

Her Dad calls, her Mum calls.

CL and her "Friend both enjoy Location, Location, Location" Perhaps he will build CL her dream location one day?

She returns a text to JK about "working 12 shifts on the trot, no fun for me" JK is suspicious of the text as she knows that CL is meeting SC on Thursday night and so knows the text is inaccurate. She knows that CL is also meeting her Dad on Friday and that CL doesn't work weekends and Mothers Day is approaching
(She reads this text as an F Off message)

JK feels she is being snubbed for some reason?

CL is clearly distancing herself from someone at Nags Head and so hasn't attended as normal since weekend (She was helping JK also with a problem that weekend)

It was the SAME problem and CL was the cause of the problem.

CL goes to bed with "new" friend as things are getting steamy.

Its now after 9 at the Nags and one of staff goes on their break, they smoke and so they go outside. They can see a light on in their boyfriends house and he is supposed to be working late?

She lets herself into boyfriends house and catches CL and boyfriend inflagranti.

A row emerges

CL gets caught in the crossfire and somehow she is strangled by the wire of her curling tongs.

"She is gone before she hits the ground"

The two return to CL house and make sure it looks like CL has just left for work. One of the two has an intimate knowledge of how CL lives and so it makes the setting of the scene easier, except someone always makes a mistake and

• They put the wrong slippers by the door-Joan spots this at a later date
• When they stage the scene, they forget that if she is supposed to look like fleeing she would have taken her handbag and passport / cards
• The man puts a footprint on her bathroom scales.

SC has a very good idea of what has happened but has already lost one friend and doesn't want to lose another and knows what the implications for the close group of Nags friends would be.

PL has his suspicions and will have shared them with police.

SC and PL remain close to friends to see if they can glean any information

Sightings

Breaking car-Car was flashing rear fog lights AFTER it passed someone they knew that morning to signal to them-It wasn't breaking

Alley man Evening-An admirer of CL who didn't know that she was seeing someone else that night, checking up on her as she didn't answer her door
Alley man Morning-Same person but starting to feel they were being avoided-Not Guilty of murder though.
White Jacket man was DR in the evening on his way to Nags
White Jacket man again was DR-It was his Maroon Volvo
Melrosegate sub station sighting-Not relevant
University Road argument-The two culprits having a row about where to put the body in the Maroon Volvo car they had borrowed that was always parked in HP
People at CL door (Man with fringe, Two men the week before, Person on morning) All CL's complex and mysterious friends)
Hair Dye, To make it look like she had changed her identity and fled

I recall one of CL friends saying "If I knew who murdered CL I would march them straight to the police station"

But what if it wasn't murder but manslaughter and that person was the culprit?
Would they march themselves to the cop shop?

And so it was a dreadful accident but because of CL complex and mysterious relationships.

Oh so many killings happen in this way.

She was a Lovely Lovely lass, she enjoyed her life and was single so why not-She didn't deserve to die for it though.

Tragic for all involved but its time for the truth to out.......

IMO DYOR

Makes total sense @oudzuid An alternative would be POI1/alleyman losing it when finding CL in mate’s bed/house across the alley. Two most likely scenarios imo.

 

[Yozzer]

Whilst that makes sense, just get the feeling there is more to it than meets the eye

Do elaborate!

 

[oudzuid]

Reckon DO will be one of them.

No he is just a sad silly boy who wanted 15 minutes of fame.

Makes total sense @oudzuid An alternative would be POI1/alleyman losing it when finding CL in mate’s bed/house across the alley. Two most likely scenarios imo.

I believe that the killer is female-Just my emotional intelligence.

 

[Popejohn3]

What imagination!

 

[Bagpipes]

I believe that the killer is female-Just my emotional intelligence.[/QUOTE]


I think yes, female involvement, culpability but not necessarily the killer.
Sometimes, men who stray from the bedroom are fiercely loyal in other departments of their relationship.
I think under confrontational circumstances they will defend the partner, not the bit on the side. JMO of course.

 

[Popejohn3]

I believe that this was the scenario @Yozzer.

It is only my opinion and perhaps others should do their own research but it goes like this:

At some point after CL returned home from work, she goes out and returns back to her cottage

She has arranged to meet with someone who she is in a relationship with, he has been having personal issues and we know that CL has been helping someone with this.

She goes out of her back door so as not to be seen and crosses the Alley into one of terraced houses where her "New Friend" is awaiting.

They have some fun, watch some telly, she checks her phone and does her normal texting

Her Dad calls, her Mum calls.

CL and her "Friend both enjoy Location, Location, Location" Perhaps he will build CL her dream location one day?

She returns a text to JK about "working 12 shifts on the trot, no fun for me" JK is suspicious of the text as she knows that CL is meeting SC on Thursday night and so knows the text is inaccurate. She knows that CL is also meeting her Dad on Friday and that CL doesn't work weekends and Mothers Day is approaching
(She reads this text as an F Off message)

JK feels she is being snubbed for some reason?

CL is clearly distancing herself from someone at Nags Head and so hasn't attended as normal since weekend (She was helping JK also with a problem that weekend)

It was the SAME problem and CL was the cause of the problem.

CL goes to bed with "new" friend as things are getting steamy.

Its now after 9 at the Nags and one of staff goes on their break, they smoke and so they go outside. They can see a light on in their boyfriends house and he is supposed to be working late?

She lets herself into boyfriends house and catches CL and boyfriend inflagranti.

A row emerges

CL gets caught in the crossfire and somehow she is strangled by the wire of her curling tongs.

"She is gone before she hits the ground"

The two return to CL house and make sure it looks like CL has just left for work. One of the two has an intimate knowledge of how CL lives and so it makes the setting of the scene easier, except someone always makes a mistake and

• They put the wrong slippers by the door-Joan spots this at a later date
• When they stage the scene, they forget that if she is supposed to look like fleeing she would have taken her handbag and passport / cards
• The man puts a footprint on her bathroom scales.

SC has a very good idea of what has happened but has already lost one friend and doesn't want to lose another and knows what the implications for the close group of Nags friends would be.

PL has his suspicions and will have shared them with police.

SC and PL remain close to friends to see if they can glean any information

Sightings

Breaking car-Car was flashing rear fog lights AFTER it passed someone they knew that morning to signal to them-It wasn't breaking

Alley man Evening-An admirer of CL who didn't know that she was seeing someone else that night, checking up on her as she didn't answer her door
Alley man Morning-Same person but starting to feel they were being avoided-Not Guilty of murder though.
White Jacket man was DR in the evening on his way to Nags
White Jacket man again was DR-It was his Maroon Volvo
Melrosegate sub station sighting-Not relevant
University Road argument-The two culprits having a row about where to put the body in the Maroon Volvo car they had borrowed that was always parked in HP
People at CL door (Man with fringe, Two men the week before, Person on morning) All CL's complex and mysterious friends)
Hair Dye, To make it look like she had changed her identity and fled

I recall one of CL friends saying "If I knew who murdered CL I would march them straight to the police station"

But what if it wasn't murder but manslaughter and that person was the culprit?
Would they march themselves to the cop shop?

And so it was a dreadful accident but because of CL complex and mysterious relationships.

Oh so many killings happen in this way.

She was a Lovely Lovely lass, she enjoyed her life and was single so why not-She didn't deserve to die for it though.

Tragic for all involved but its time for the truth to out.......

IMO DYOR

if the Allyman was just an innocent admirer why wouldn’t he come forward and helping police by doing so ?