UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #14

[Blonderabbit]

Hi, yea it basically would be. It was surprising for me when I saw where the car was seen because it seems pretty coincidental.

Id say there are two ways you'd be dropped off in order to get to Goodrick College canteen. The first is exactly where the car was seen. The car can then turn round at the roundabout, claudia would walk past where the rucksack was seen and to the canteen. It was early as well so the car could more easily just park there for a moment. The second way is to turn right at the roundabout and go into the university. But it hardly cuts claudias walking time and for the car it would mean turning round there etc.

In terms of the rucksack. There is a car park but its further down, not right next to the bag. The closest you could get by car is the dead end road parallel to University Road. That's if the bag was exactly there.

If something happened there, 6 am is probably one of the best times for it to happen. But still lucky not to be seen.

If you weigh it up it’s hard to believe. The rucksack is some distance from where you’d have car access. So thinking it through - did she make a run for it dropping the rucksack - why no screams? Why nothing on cctv - imagine dragging a lifeless body across the field - why wouldn’t you just leave it in situ? The only reason someone removes a body is because it’s contaminated with their dna. - someone who spent the previous night with her?

 

[keep-it-real]

If you weigh it up it’s hard to believe. The rucksack is some distance from where you’d have car access. So thinking it through - did she make a run for it dropping the rucksack - why no screams? Why nothing on cctv - imagine dragging a lifeless body across the field - why wouldn’t you just leave it in situ? The only reason someone removes a body is because it’s contaminated with their dna. - someone who spent the previous night with her?

Yes I worked through the probability that someone could have been attatcked managing to escape ran back the way they had came up onto University road flagging down the car for help. A woman in distress pointing to where the attack could have happened and a male trying to calm the situation could look like the same actions as a couple agruing. If it was a different female and it was some kind of sexual assault it may be a reason the female did not want it made public so didnt come forward. It would of course put the guy in the red car in a difficult position if he was in fact a good samaritan but you have to consider it a posibility. People handle these things very differently.

 

[Popejohn3]

If you weigh it up it’s hard to believe. The rucksack is some distance from where you’d have car access. So thinking it through - did she make a run for it dropping the rucksack - why no screams? Why nothing on cctv - imagine dragging a lifeless body across the field - why wouldn’t you just leave it in situ? The only reason someone removes a body is because it’s contaminated with their dna. - someone who spent the previous night with her?

If cctv was any good in that location we would have cctv of the person supposedly taking pictures of her items?
We would also have cctv of the police searching for the mysterious rucksack that sat or Sunday

 

[Popejohn3]

Yes I worked through the probability that someone could have been attatcked managing to escape ran back the way they had came up onto University road flagging down the car for help. A woman in distress pointing to where the attack could have happened and a male trying to calm the situation could look like the same actions as a couple agruing. If it was a different female and it was some kind of sexual assault it may be a reason the female did not want it made public so didnt come forward. It would of course put the guy in the red car in a difficult position if he was in fact a good samaritan but you have to consider it a posibility. People handle these things very differently.

A Good Samaritan would have come forward to help that broken hearted man ie P L

 

[keep-it-real]

A Good Samaritan would have come forward to help that broken hearted man ie P L

perhaps the good samaritan lived out of the area and was just passing he might not have been and still not be aware of the of the Claudia Lawrence case. I myself had no idea of the case what so ever until just by chance I saw the Missing or murdered programme on tv in Nov/Dec 2019 I googled that programme to try and rewatch and this site came up so Jan 1st 2020 I joined WS.
With respect you just cant make assumptions of people and situations life is very different

 

[Bohill]

Thank its good to have your input the college layout appears different in layout today than it was in 2009 due to all the new building that has been undertaken there.
A few more questions if you dont mind.

Can you confirm from this Google shot that the pathways on the right are the ones she would have most probably on her way to the canteen at Goldricke and are these the pathways the same ones which could lead to where the the rucksack was sighted.
These look wide enough to take a vehicle even they were used for that purpose (other than maintenance and emergency vehicles I presume). If a person wanted to drive up those pathways could they arrive at where the rucksack was located and continue on or would they have to turn the vehicle around.

Was the location of the rucksak anyway near a maintenance building used by groundsmen.
Can you bring to mind who would normally be around in the college grounds at that time of the morning, for example security staff, car park attendants, maintenance people.

Mentioning no names of course but was there anyone at the College that female students considered 'creepy'

Seperately I also see a flyover with a walk through on the photo were there always bollards blocking vehicle access through it

And finally how far from the canteen was the construction site and did you notice construction workers using the canteen where Claudia worked on a regular basis

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No problem! Yea, that path is the one we all took to Goodricke. I'd definitively take that path.
If the bag was where it is on that map then yea that path goes right by it. But on the police site the bag is a bit further west on the map, almost into the fields beside, so im not sure exactly where the bag was.

A car could get down and drive to Wentworth way yea, it was the same back in 2009. But pretty sure the car would leave evidence on the grass?

Not sure about maintenance buildings, or people who would be around sorry. Certainly not many students. The bollards behind the photo were always there, making that road a dead end street. The ones in the flyover- not sure.

There was a creepy guy who would avoid everyone. Lived in a room in our block. He got very angry one time about a guy flirting with a girl in our shared kitchen, tried to protect her from nothing. We all thought it was funny. He was protective like that a few times. Then you wouldnt see him for ages. But idk, doesn't mean anything. Was harmless.

I don't remember many construction workers around the canteen but may have been. There was the new geography block but i cant remember when that was being built. Ill have to try remember things from that time.

 

[Bohill]

I knew you would be an asset to this site.
And I’d say he was seen but probably from a distance and the witness ( ?) recovered ? Simply saw / took pictures of rucksack ? Or the attacker went back for the items !

Thanks I will try help if I can at all Yea, something like that, I'm not sure though.

 

[Bohill]

If you weigh it up it’s hard to believe. The rucksack is some distance from where you’d have car access. So thinking it through - did she make a run for it dropping the rucksack - why no screams? Why nothing on cctv - imagine dragging a lifeless body across the field - why wouldn’t you just leave it in situ? The only reason someone removes a body is because it’s contaminated with their dna. - someone who spent the previous night with her?

I know what you mean. The bag looks to be at least 20 feet from any road.

 

[Pinkizzy]

The left handed smoker was seen on the Wednesday morning and not the Thursday morning, is that true?

 

[Pinkizzy]

Dp

 

[Popejohn3]

The left handed smoker was seen on the Wednesday morning and not the Thursday morning, is that true?

I believe it was corrected and was seen Thursday morning.
He could have been on the scene Monday Tuesday Wednesday especially if he was the mystery boyfriend.

 

[keep-it-real]

I just wanted to mention an observation I made on one of the Getty website videos.
Its the one where Peter is asking the male owner of one of the shops at Melrosegate if he would post a poster of Claudia in his shop. I think its the Mini Market owner as this is the shop front they are stood outside.
To me in that video I think that guy looks to be recovering from a swollen right eye you cant slow the speed of this video down so I had to replay numberous times in doing so I got a glimpse of a beaded necklace that he was wearing which showed up on the right hand side of his neck. It looked like the same type of bracelet I had seen Claudia wearing in this photo. The beads are called tigers eye. The Melrosegate shops location appears frequently in this case. I wonder if there could be more of a connection.
Did that shop owner know Claudia and if so how well. Was that bracelet a gift and if so who from, in what instance was it given. Was it from someone who owned and wore it previously as a necklace and bracelet set. Perhaps a tigers eye necklace had been admired so the bracelet was given as a gift to Claudia equally had she given someone a tigers eye necklace.
I noticed on camera Peter in the video heads straight to the Mini Market without hesitation.
later in the video he says it felt hellish doing but it had to be done. I think he meant handing out the posters. But given he always maintained that he thought she had disappeared on the way to work I wondered if he was privvy to something we are not.

These are just my opinions.. going through things in my head.

 

[Pinkizzy]

I just wanted to mention an observation I made on one of the Getty website videos.
Its the one where Peter is asking the male owner of one of the shops at Melrosegate if he would post a poster of Claudia in his shop. I think its the Mini Market owner as this is the shop front they are stood outside.
To me in that video I think that guy looks to be recovering from a swollen right eye you cant slow the speed of this video down so I had to replay numberous times in doing so I got a glimpse of a beaded necklace that he was wearing which showed up on the right hand side of his neck. It looked like the same type of bracelet I had seen Claudia wearing in this photo. The beads are called tigers eye. The Melrosegate shops location appears frequently in this case. I wonder if there could be more of a connection.
Did that shop owner know Claudia and if so how well. Was that bracelet a gift and if so who from, in what instance was it given. Was it from someone who owned and wore it previously as a necklace and bracelet set. Perhaps a tigers eye necklace had been admired so the bracelet was given as a gift to Claudia equally had she given someone a tigers eye necklace.
I noticed on camera Peter in the video heads straight to the Mini Market without hesitation.
later in the video he says it felt hellish doing but it had to be done. I think he meant handing out the posters. But given he always maintained that he thought she had disappeared on the way to work I wondered if he was privvy to something we are not.

These are just my opinions.. going through things in my head.

I guess Claudia shopped at the mini market

 

[Blonderabbit]

The left handed smoker was seen on the Wednesday morning and not the Thursday morning, is that true?

no he was seen Thursday morning according to micro unless they have changed it

 

[Bohill]

If you weigh it up it’s hard to believe. The rucksack is some distance from where you’d have car access. So thinking it through - did she make a run for it dropping the rucksack - why no screams? Why nothing on cctv - imagine dragging a lifeless body across the field - why wouldn’t you just leave it in situ? The only reason someone removes a body is because it’s contaminated with their dna. - someone who spent the previous night with her?

The only way it would fit for me would be that she left that spot on her own two feet. Maybe after the stuggle and the bag falling down, the guy somehow persauded her to get back to the car on university rd, with a weapon maybe, or she felt it best to get back in for some reason, like she got caught up in a situation.

 

[Vixey]

Quartz travel have cctv, so does the co op and I bet plenty of other places too! No cctv of Claudia on Thursday. So imo Claudia went Wednesday evening or did not make it much further than the Nags Head on the Thursday morning. I feel more pressed for Wednesday evening in line with her phone usage ending imo x

 

[Popejohn3]

Quartz travel have cctv, so does the co op and I bet plenty of other places too! No cctv of Claudia on Thursday. So imo Claudia went Wednesday evening or did not make it much further than the Nags Head on the Thursday morning. I feel more pressed for Wednesday evening in line with her phone usage ending imo x

I think we need to differentiate between cctv inside a shop as opposed to outside buildings .

 

[Vixey]

I think we need to differentiate between cctv inside a shop as opposed to outside buildings .

Yes The one outside the co op, up high that caught white jacket person on cctv ! quartz was just above the door if I remember correctly x

 

[Popejohn3]

Yes The one outside the co op, up high that caught white jacket person on cctv ! quartz was just above the door if I remember correctly x

So are you saying the police would have co op man outside the shop too ? And in that case why haven’t they let us see it as well especially since nothing has come up by showing him inside only ?

 

[keep-it-real]

Yes The one outside the co op, up high that caught white jacket person on cctv ! quartz was just above the door if I remember correctly x

I havent been able to locate an external wall mounted one. My thought were that it was an internal one with an outside view.
I thought the positioning of the white van was to block the view of the camera on Weds evening