UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #14

[susie sixpence]

I just wanted to mention an observation I made on one of the Getty website videos.
Its the one where Peter is asking the male owner of one of the shops at Melrosegate if he would post a poster of Claudia in his shop. I think its the Mini Market owner as this is the shop front they are stood outside.
To me in that video I think that guy looks to be recovering from a swollen right eye you cant slow the speed of this video down so I had to replay numberous times in doing so I got a glimpse of a beaded necklace that he was wearing which showed up on the right hand side of his neck. It looked like the same type of bracelet I had seen Claudia wearing in this photo. The beads are called tigers eye. The Melrosegate shops location appears frequently in this case. I wonder if there could be more of a connection.
Did that shop owner know Claudia and if so how well. Was that bracelet a gift and if so who from, in what instance was it given. Was it from someone who owned and wore it previously as a necklace and bracelet set. Perhaps a tigers eye necklace had been admired so the bracelet was given as a gift to Claudia equally had she given someone a tigers eye necklace.
I noticed on camera Peter in the video heads straight to the Mini Market without hesitation.
later in the video he says it felt hellish doing but it had to be done. I think he meant handing out the posters. But given he always maintained that he thought she had disappeared on the way to work I wondered if he was privvy to something we are not.

These are just my opinions.. going through things in my head.

But the bracelet in this photo looks like wooden beads not tigers eye. Do you have a picture of Peter with the shopkeeper and the necklace you mention

 

[Pinkizzy]

So are you saying the police would have co op man outside the shop too ? And in that case why haven’t they let us see it as well especially since nothing has come up by showing him inside only ?

I think you're referring to the man in Tang Hall.

 

[Popejohn3]

I think you're referring to the man in Tang Hall.

Yes sorry was Vixey talking about an other co op ?

 

[UKjester]

Yes sorry was Vixey talking about an other co op ?

I presumed it was the cost cutter

 

[Pinkizzy]

I thought people had claimed the white van and the black suv . I guess Dave the barman was away from his house and another white van was parked in its place.

 

[Blonderabbit]

When Peter Lawrance died he took a wealth of evidence with him

 

[Popejohn3]

When Peter Lawrance died he took a wealth of evidence with him

Was he brought up-to -date with the very latest developments you think ?

 

[Pinkizzy]

When Peter Lawrance died he took a wealth of evidence with him

I guess he told the police everything that he knew or suspected. I'm sure Martin Dales knows everything that Peter knows.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I guess he told the police everything that he knew or suspected. I'm sure Martin Dales knows everything that Peter knows.

I doubt it. It’s small micro detail only he knows - when he walked into her home, bar tales, POis when questioned he could recall detail - it’s gone with him unfortunately

 

[Popejohn3]

He would have told everything to his family including sister .
And I mean his sister .

 

[Blonderabbit]

Rucksack and arguing couple I think more and more as unlikely - imagine dragging someone across a field and then returning for the rucksack a few hours later. Was it seen at 1pm on the 19th? Imagine going back for it? Could the rucksack have had her phone in and was turned off when picked up? You’d wonder when Claudia was at work - where was her phone - in her pocket or in her rucksack in her locker - if she had a locker ? Guess that would of been searched and or established!

 

[Popejohn3]

Re rucksack sighting ! The NH crew ( IMO) would have told the police that someone came in at around 1 pm claiming he’s just seen a similar RS.
But he could have been on foot and we know it takes around 30 minutes to get from the uni to the NH

 

[keep-it-real]

When Peter Lawrance died he took a wealth of evidence with him

I wonder over the years given that a lot of the details were unable to made public wether he made a personal record of it all. I know I would have done.

I was hoping his death would result in someone speaking up, but not in the way most people presume.

In my opinion Jen's interview speaking about Peter's death on Getty website came very close to that.

At times of great sadness other emotions such as hurt and anger that have built up rise to the surface causing that person to speak out 'or blow'
I think she came very close to it but just about managed to keep the lid on it is probably due to the legal restraints people around this case find themselves in. But in my opinion she got her message across.

she says
Like as soon as Claudia left it was like it took a part of him with her
I think he would be sad that he didnt get the answers he so desperately craved.
I think he would be sad that the last year of his life was in this situation we all find ourselves in

Ive long since held the view that Claudia is still alive and the reasons why she left/disappeared cannot be revealed.

These are my opinions only others may have different opinions.
Time will tell.

 

[keep-it-real]

Re rucksack sighting ! The NH crew ( IMO) would have told the police that someone came in at around 1 pm claiming he’s just seen a similar RS.
But he could have been on foot and we know it takes around 30 minutes to get from the uni to the NH

Seriously. If a person came into your pub and said they had pictures of a rucksack they had seen in the grounds of the Uni which was where the your friend worked would you tell him to take them to the police.. because personally I would ring the police immediately when he was there and hand the phone over to him. I certainly wouldnt have let him leave the pub without asking to be shown the pics or asking their name.

 

[Bohill]

Rucksack and arguing couple I think more and more as unlikely - imagine dragging someone across a field and then returning for the rucksack a few hours later. Was it seen at 1pm on the 19th? Imagine going back for it? Could the rucksack have had her phone in and was turned off when picked up? You’d wonder when Claudia was at work - where was her phone - in her pocket or in her rucksack in her locker - if she had a locker ? Guess that would of been searched and or established!

Maybe the car was legit but the bag not.

Or maybe claudia was forced to get back in the car after the struggle where the bag fell off.

 

[keep-it-real]

Maybe the car was legit but the bag not.

Or maybe claudia was forced to get back in the car after the struggle where the bag fell off.

If the rucksack story is ligit.. perhaps it was dumped there purposely.

 

[Popejohn3]

I wonder over the years given that a lot of the details were unable to made public wether he made a personal record of it all. I know I would have done.

I was hoping his death would result in someone speaking up, but not in the way most people presume.

In my opinion Jen's interview speaking about Peter's death on Getty website came very close to that.

At times of great sadness other emotions such as hurt and anger that have built up rise to the surface causing that person to speak out 'or blow'
I think she came very close to it but just about managed to keep the lid on it is probably due to the legal restraints people around this case find themselves in. But in my opinion she got her message across.

she says
Like as soon as Claudia left it was like it took a part of him with her
I think he would be sad that he didnt get the answers he so desperately craved.
I think he would be sad that the last year of his life was in this situation we all find ourselves in

Ive long since held the view that Claudia is still alive and the reasons why she left/disappeared cannot be revealed.

These are my opinions only others may have different opinions.
Time will tell.

That is fair enough ! Oh if only that were true !
Jen doesn’t know for certain Claudia is dead !
Claudia could have died in captivity one week or even eleven years later no one really knows!
But and it’s a big but if they really know she is alive why keep talking about it for all these years?
Why not find a body call it Claudia and that’s the end of the story ?

 

[Popejohn3]

Seriously. If a person came into your pub and said they had pictures of a rucksack they had seen in the grounds of the Uni which was where the your friend worked would you tell him to take them to the police.. because personally I would ring the police immediately when he was there and hand the phone over to him. I certainly wouldnt have let him leave the pub without asking to be shown the pics or asking their name.

I think you’re using hindsight here ....with respect

 

[Popejohn3]

Maybe the car was legit but the bag not.

Or maybe claudia was forced to get back in the car after the struggle where the bag fell off.

It would make sense to rummage through your bag looking for the phone in order to dial 999
Plus throwing all you are carrying at your pursuer might slow him down

 

[keep-it-real]

That is fair enough ! Oh if only that were true !
Jen doesn’t know for certain Claudia is dead !
Claudia could have died in captivity one week or even eleven years later no one really knows!
But and it’s a big but if they really know she is alive why keep talking about it for all these years?
Why not find a body call it Claudia and that’s the end of the story ?

You are missing the most important part PJ

As long as NYP keep the case open the details of the case cannot be made public. Even if the family request the case be closed as 7 years the accepted timespan for presumption of death has been met in fact this can be shortened to 4 years if supporting evidence, statements from police and witnesses, the police can still decide to keep the case open.
At some stage you have to ask yourself why does this case still remain open after nearly 13 years

Presumption of death
The Presumption of Death Act 2013 came fully into force on 1 October 2014.

This Act enables an application to be made to the High Court for a declaration that a missing person, who is thought to have died or who has not been known to be alive for at least seven years, is presumed dead. Once it can no longer be the subject of an appeal, a declaration is conclusive as to the presumed death and effective for all purposes and against all persons. The missing person’s property passes to others and his or her marriage or civil partnership is ended.

Both Scotland and Northern Ireland have separate legislation governing the presumption of death.

Missing persons, guardianship and the presumption of death - House of Commons Library
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IMO