UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #16

[AerieFaerie]

The media reports all say 'deliberately turned off'. Not 'ran out of charge' or 'lost signal' or 'ceased to ping'.

This! I think there is a difference in how it registers to the cell tower. But would love to see evidence if this isn’t the case! Always love to learn.

 

[AerieFaerie]

So someone kept her phone rather than destroy? The phone would show how long it sat on the last mast prior.Was it said how many masts were in the 9 mile radius within the triangulation and how many masts pinged after her last call at home was taken?

That’s what the police information indicates. I believe they said it stayed in the same broad area the entire time, pinging off the cell tower near the uni.

 

[Blonderabbit]

The media reports all say 'deliberately turned off'. Not 'ran out of charge' or 'lost signal' or 'ceased to ping'.

I believe it may have been turned off, but I also think it may have run out of charge - it doesn’t (IMO) benefit anyone or the investigation by being blindsided

 

[Yozzer]

If it's heavy (or hiking as opposed to casual wear) it has to be both straps on for me. Definitely thinking CL may not be fully right handed.

As a chef, she would have been a multi tasker and very dexterous.

 

[tigerowl]

I believe it may have been turned off, but I also think it may have run out of charge - it doesn’t (IMO) benefit anyone or the investigation by being blindsided

I don't understand what you mean by this, sorry?

I think it is interesting that they say deliberately turned off. In many cases of missing people they will say about a last ping or say it lost signal but they don't know if it ran out of battery etc. In this case they have very specifically said 'deliberately turned off' clearly to indicate that someone took an intentional action with that phone at that time.

edited for spelling

 

[HCcoffee]

Can you imagine yourself - you’ve just killed someone and the clock is running - “ o I know what I will do go to her house and set the scene???”

If they were panicking and wanted to quickly cover their tracks then maybe? Or told a friend who did it for them? As I said, was just a thought!

Her phone being turned off and staying within the same area is very interesting. I had heard that detail but always thought police were unsure if it ran out of charge or was intentionally switched off? I'm also curious about this detail of someone being seen on CCTV entering her home, any sources for this??

 

[keep-it-real]

Reading through the case - she went out with a new boyfriend snd had a very late night on the 17th - so an educated guess is she didn’t charge her phone. 18th she arrives at work looking tired according to D.O. So still not charged uses at work, goes home on the 18th, thinking she would charge it overnight - something happens - it’s not charged and it runs out of charge probably in her pocket at 12.10pm

With respect if I can just correct you @Blonderabbit the night she spent with the mystery man was the night of the 16th.Her conversation with David Oxer was on the 17th

 

[AerieFaerie]

I don't understand what you mean by this, sorry?

I think it is interesting that they say deliberately turned off. In many cases of missing people they will say about a last ping or say it lost signal but they don't know if it ran out of battery etc. In this case they have very specifically said 'deliberately turned off' clearly to indicate that someone took and intentional action with that phone at that time.

Yes exactly! There may well be a possibility it ran out of charge, but it’s a bit wild and irresponsible for the police to so clearly and consistently be saying “deliberately turned off” if there is a chance this wasn’t the case.

Which leads us back to it being odd timing for the perpetrator/s.

 

[Bagpipes]

I don't understand what you mean by this, sorry?

I think it is interesting that they say deliberately turned off. In many cases of missing people they will say about a last ping or say it lost signal but they don't know if it ran out of battery etc. In this case they have very specifically said 'deliberately turned off' clearly to indicate that someone took and intentional action with that phone at that time.

The DCI at the time, I think Mallon? Was assuming that CL would have always had a charged phone, as she was a prolific user. I think this may be what BR is hinting at.

 

[Bagpipes]

I don't think we should assume that the late night out as reported by Oxer is fact, I keep a very open mind on that. Not primary source information and delivered a year late to boot.

 

[keep-it-real]

The police have ( I believe) a cctv clip of someone going INTO Claudia’s house but although the picture is not clear, it fits in with the time Claudia is supposed to have returned home !

I can confirm that Cold Case did confirm to me that Claudia was caught on the camera opposite her house returning home after work on Weds 18th.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I don't understand what you mean by this, sorry?

I think it is interesting that they say deliberately turned off. In many cases of missing people they will say about a last ping or say it lost signal but they don't know if it ran out of battery etc. In this case they have very specifically said 'deliberately turned off' clearly to indicate that someone took and intentional action with that phone at that time.

I have looked at this point in detail - it’s a long time ago - I think it’s called an e

I don't understand what you mean by this, sorry?

I think it is interesting that they say deliberately turned off. In many cases of missing people they will say about a last ping or say it lost signal but they don't know if it ran out of battery etc. In this case they have very specifically said 'deliberately turned off' clearly to indicate that someone took an intentional action with that phone at that time.

edited for spelling

I’m open minded as to if it ran out of charge or was turned off. The police have stated it was turned off - I would think it’s evidence based and probable. Claudias last text seemed out of context (12 earlys) suggesting someone had her phone then. There is probably more evidence suggesting to the police one of the perps had her phone.

 

[keep-it-real]

Yes exactly! There may well be a possibility it ran out of charge, but it’s a bit wild and irresponsible for the police to so clearly and consistently be saying “deliberately turned off” if there is a chance this wasn’t the case.

Which leads us back to it being odd timing for the perpetrator/s.

I suspect it the phone was made inoperable by taking the battery out to remove the sim.

just my opinion

 

[AerieFaerie]

I can confirm that Cold Case did confirm to me that Claudia was caught on the camera opposite her house returning home after work on Weds 18th.

Interesting! So her exit, presumably, has to have been either obscured or to the rear of the house, if that wasn’t also caught on the same camera.

 

[Blonderabbit]

Yes exactly! There may well be a possibility it ran out of charge, but it’s a bit wild and irresponsible for the police to so clearly and consistently be saying “deliberately turned off” if there is a chance this wasn’t the case.

Which leads us back to it being odd timing for the perpetrator/s.

Why odd ? It’s perfect - over dinner time - rendezvous for disposal.

 

[AerieFaerie]

Why odd ? It’s perfect - over dinner time - rendezvous for disposal.

Because it’s midday. It’s in full light when it’s far harder to go undetected.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I don't think we should assume that the late night out as reported by Oxer is fact, I keep a very open mind on that. Not primary source information and delivered a year late to boot.

Agree - however it was st Patrick’s night - so
Wether with a new boyfriend or not / highly likely a late night?

Because it’s midday. It’s in full light when it’s far harder to go undetected.

depends where you are. If you are at work and just popping out for lunch - may look just like an ordinary day

 

[keep-it-real]

Interesting! So her exit, presumably, has to have been either obscured or to the rear of the house, if that wasn’t also caught on the same camera.

If she did exit from the front door its perfectly feasable that the view of the camera could have been obscurred its a busy through road with vehicles travelling both ways, a primary shool on it too. You only have to look through Google street walks to see the variety of different vehicles and build up of traffic at different times on it.

 

[Bagpipes]

Anyone here that ate at the university campus that CL worked at?

How many services a day?

All 3 breakfast, lunch and dinner? Or just 2, breakfast and dinner?

 

[Novosti]

I think the police were quoted as saying that the phone left the network with an explicit detachment.

This rules out scenarios like being thrown in a lake or a fire because the explicit detachment process wouldn't happen.

It obviously includes a deliberate power down. Whether IMSI detachment happens in an empty battery scenario is I think dependent on the model - some do; some don't. But I think I remember the police saying that in this case the phone would not have explicitly detached at 0% charge, leaving the only option being a deliberate switch off.

Why odd ? It’s perfect - over dinner time - rendezvous for disposal.