UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #17

[Pricklykitty]

has anybody got. a link please to j ks account of her. dream about Claudia

Is it this one?
Missing chef Claudia Lawrence's best pal tells of heartbreaking 10-year search

 

[Nikynoo]

Claudia's last rendezvous? A year after she vanished, police reveal chef's date with a secret boyfriend

Heres another one. They both mention the secret long term relationship she was in with a man who himself was in a relationship with someone else at the time, and say police believe he, and the newly mentioned boyfriend were different people.

here is another source:
'Details of her date until in the early hours of March 17 emerged when a colleague, who is also a friend, contacted police yesterday. He claimed he had asked Miss Lawrence why she looked so tired, and was told she had been out with the boyfriend until almost dawn.'

Claudia out late with boyfriend before she vanished, say police

MURDER squad detectives are investigating a new lead that missing Claudia Lawrence was out with a boyfriend less than two days before she was last seen alive.

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk

 

[Nikynoo]

right ok...this is one of the strangest thing in this whole investigation.
sorry...I may be. wrong but I don't believe the colleague suddenly remembered the new boyfriend so long afterwards...I guess it leaves. us with 4 explanations

1 im wrong
2 it was used as a diversion tactic from himself
3 he. was being leaned on by someone else to invent. something
4 he hadn't mentioned it before because it.was someone he was afraid of
my own opinion is that he hadn't planned anything himself but id. be looking. at whoever supplied the students with drugs as the main player
as for the long term relationship...could be true. or false...the reason I couldn't find the link is because I was trying to search for what I believe is the colleagues name

Number 2 on your list. IIRC He also sometimes gave C a lift into work, ut the day she went missing he used an alternative route.

 

[Nikynoo]

UK - UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #6

It could have been a passing motorist that lived miles and simply contacted police through crimestoppers.take it or leave it sort of thing Possible, bit of a remote place to be passing that time of day though, as I say I'm not convinced the smoker exists

www.websleuths.com

 

[Blonderabbit]

I've been quietly enjoying the thread recently. I have reflected on some of the media clips of Claudias close friends talking about Claudia, the person she was and also what may have become of her. I read about some studies the FBI have carried out - and what they find is its easier to spot a liar via verbal cues than non verbal cues. I have a link here which you may find interesting in this case. When being deceitful perps want to appear straight forward and honest so often their deceit will have an element of truth. So, if someone was to say for example "wherever she is it's not out of choice, she wouldn't let people down" it is a confusing statement because it goes without saying though it gives the impression the person stating it doesn't have a clue like everyone else. If you said, "I hope she was dead before she hit the ground" again it goes without saying, however the person is potentially partly telling the truth which helps them deliver a credible statement.

Heres the link New Airport Screening Method Catches More Than 20 Times As Many Liars

 

[Blonderabbit]

I really think there seems to be alot about that Friday night that doesn't get talked about, or doesn't quite make sense.
Even eliminating all the rumour and heresay that has been on social media, theres still enough in msm to raise questions imo

Jk says she and CL took friday afternoon off to spend it in nags head because it was Cheltenham day. My thoughts are
1, did SC not get invited, or could she not get time off work?
2, Did they plan the afternoon in the pub because they knew certain people would be there?
3, Did either of them invite the group they were with later? As if SC claims not to know them, they couldn't have been regular or casual drinkers at the Nags, but CL seemed to keep friendship groups seperate

SC says she got to the pub around 9pm....
1, seems a little late to head to a local pub, unless you were possibly expecting a lock in.
2, Just my own thoughts, but because it was later in the evening, I doubt SC knew JK and CL had been there all afternoon as I would have thought she would have wanted to get there earlier to join in, making me think she was left out of the arrangements that night
3, she doesn't join them, which is odd given how close they were all supposed to be, making me think there was a reason

There is a post on thread 15 by Gladioli which I won't elaborate on too much since I don't have links to their info, but basically talks about CL being seen having a moment with a nags regular

JK says CL was worried the next day incase she had upset someone
1, Did CL upset someone?
2, was it a common occurrence?
3, Did any upset take place during a lock in so the only witnesses were the regular after hours group?

Jk goes on to say that after she had seen CL on the sunday they were texting as normal
1, Did they have something to sort out before they could continue texting as normal?

SC says she wishes she had said different things that night
1, did she say things she now regrets that night
2, did she not tell CL things that she was aware of that CL wasn't?

If I could talk about social media posts there's alot more to add!

Another thing I wonder about, is if no one was too worried about CL no showing on the Thursday night because there had been an incident on the Friday, CL had been avoiding the Nags, and so it was pretty much assumed she had lost her bottle and not turned up.

All little questions but put together with other bits and pieces and I think there is a chunk of information that is being witheld about that Friday night, which I think holds the key to what happened and why, but obviously this is just my opinion.

Linking articles to any facts given above
Missing Claudia Lawrence's last words to pal revealed

Missing Claudia Lawrence's friend 'crippled by guilt' over disappearance

Missing chef Claudia Lawrence's best pal tells of heartbreaking 10-year search

I'm with you here. S.C. entered the nags at 9pm according to your link, at that time you say she is having a moment with a nags regular, re a previous post. To recap - She knows Claudia, she Knows J.K. She knows the nags regular - so it would seem she does know the group that Claudia is with, also she states in your link that she does talk to Claudia but wishes she had spent more time with her and said different things. So hang on it seems S.C. isnt being 100% truthful here - she does at the very least recognise some of the group Claudia is with /if not all?

 

[Popejohn3]

I'm with you here. S.C. entered the nags at 9pm according to your link, at that time you say she is having a moment with a nags regular, re a previous post. To recap - She knows Claudia, she Knows J.K. She knows the nags regular - so it would seem she does know the group that Claudia is with, also she states in your link that she does talk to Claudia but wishes she had spent more time with her and said different things. So hang on it seems S.C. isnt being 100% truthful here - she does at the very least recognise some of the group Claudia is with /if not all?

Wasn’t SC away on holiday that week visiting family? Not all week btw
That Friday/ that group of people/the not so clear picture of what went on that day could have been the reason NYP travelled miles to Manchester!?
As her mother I believe said .. the ending is nearly always in the first chapter !

 

[Kiranerys]

The work colleague revealed this to police 12 months later and it was published it in MSM. The same work colleague was then featured in the Channel 5 documentary on Claudia a few years ago.

No access outside UK

You will se that he was the same work colleague who admitted to providing Claudia with a lift.

We have discussed this in this thread earlier where suspicion was arisen because the work colleague DO, advised that he would normally take his route to work and drive past CL house on Heworth Road.

But on the day in question when she did not turn up for work, he took a detour and did not pass her house.

He did not explain why he took the detour, but based upon where he lived, the detour would have taken him out of his way and would have been a longer route to work???

Unless of course he was not coming from his home.

Another possibility could be that his wife didn't like him giving Claudia a lift so he took an alternate route to avoid her altogether rather than admit his wife didn't like it?

 

[Woodburnbay]

Another possibility could be that his wife didn't like him giving Claudia a lift so he took an alternate route to avoid her altogether rather than admit his wife didn't like it?

His wife wouldn't know unless he told her. On MSM Channel 5 he admitted to giving CL lifts regularly.

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[Blonderabbit]

I’d like to consider S.C.”s denial of knowing who Claudia was with on Friday 13th March 2009. She goes in according to PricklyKittys link around 9pm - she doesn’t stay long. Why would she say she didn’t know the group she was with if the evidence suggests otherwise? And also why didn’t she stay long?

 

[Woodburnbay]

I’d like to consider S.C.”s denial of knowing who Claudia was with on Friday 13th March 2009. She goes in according to PricklyKittys link around 9pm - she doesn’t stay long. Why would she say she didn’t know the group she was with if the evidence suggests otherwise? And also why didn’t she stay long?

Did SC see CL with someone that then Upset SC. Perhaps SCs boyfriend someone that CL knew SC was fond of?

Was SC ignored, intentionally or not?

Was CL with one of the POIs SR, PRs brother.

Was the friendship between CL, JK and SC possibly a case of "Two is company Three is a crowd".
SC always comes across in MSM as the matron of the 3. JK as the ugly duckling.

Did SC know that this crowd would be going on for an all nighter at someones house as this was what may normally happen with this group?

Or was it just a simple matter of SC knowing that CL had got herself in with a bad crowd? That is, a crowd worse than she was already in with?

For me, its time that both SC and JK came to MSM and told us all what really happened. They must know and it doesn't mean that they are implicit.

IMO of course.

 

[Popejohn3]

Did SC see CL with someone that then Upset SC. Perhaps SCs boyfriend someone that CL knew SC was fond of?

Was SC ignored, intentionally or not?

Was CL with one of the POIs SR, PRs brother.

Was the friendship between CL, JK and SC possibly a case of "Two is company Three is a crowd".
SC always comes across in MSM as the matron of the 3. JK as the ugly duckling.

Did SC know that this crowd would be going on for an all nighter at someones house as this was what may normally happen with this group?

Or was it just a simple matter of SC knowing that CL had got herself in with a bad crowd? That is, a crowd worse than she was already in with?

For me, its time that both SC and JK came to MSM and told us all what really happened. They must know and it doesn't mean that they are implicit.

IMO of course.

Im sure the police know ALL the answers to these questions but still hasn’t got them far ! Has it ?

 

[Blonderabbit]

Did SC see CL with someone that then Upset SC. Perhaps SCs boyfriend someone that CL knew SC was fond of?

Was SC ignored, intentionally or not?

Was CL with one of the POIs SR, PRs brother.

Was the friendship between CL, JK and SC possibly a case of "Two is company Three is a crowd".
SC always comes across in MSM as the matron of the 3. JK as the ugly duckling.

Did SC know that this crowd would be going on for an all nighter at someones house as this was what may normally happen with this group?

Or was it just a simple matter of SC knowing that CL had got herself in with a bad crowd? That is, a crowd worse than she was already in with?

For me, its time that both SC and JK came to MSM and told us all what really happened. They must know and it doesn't mean that they are implicit.

IMO of course.

One hundred percent they should come forward and put the record straight. They have nothing to hide after all. They want their friend found - this is their chance to progress the investigation. A channel 5 review documentary perhaps - revisit the case - a fresh timeline. Discount witness statements which are out of the equation.Come on S.C. Who was having a moment in the nags with Claudia when you got there? Why did you leave early? And why when you were supposed to meet and Claudia didn’t turn up - that you didn’t walk down, but then after 12 hours later alerted the family/police?

 

[Blonderabbit]

Im sure the police know ALL the answers to these questions but still hasn’t got them far ! Has it ?

These are important answers, I think in the public domain are the answers to the police case, and the answers sleuths need are in the police hands. All someone has to do is fill in the missing info and it will be solved. So I think it’s important to question each part of what is known. To find the truth

 

[FromGermany1]

Did SC see CL with someone that then Upset SC. Perhaps SCs boyfriend someone that CL knew SC was fond of?

Not a bad idea at all!!
Makes sense, if SC said something not really nice to CL because of that, which she later regretted saying resp. she wanted to have said it in a different way.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I would like to know who were the bar staff on Friday 13th March 2009, Cheltenham Cup day and was SGF there at the time?

 

[Pricklykitty]

I would say my thoughts regarding sc that friday night are pretty much the same as the points listed by Woodburnbay. I suspect she felt it easier to dismiss questions of what went on that night by saying she didn't know who cl was with and so didn't spend time with her, than having to answer awkward questions or admit that all wasn't quite as rosy between the friends as we were led to believe - jmo.

Not sure if the police do know all the answers to these questions. I mean they know what they have been told are the answers, but in no way does that mean they know the truth.

A new investigative documentary would be great, if only for showing those involved that this hasn't gone away and people are still on the case.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I would say my thoughts regarding sc that friday night are pretty much the same as the points listed by Woodburnbay. I suspect she felt it easier to dismiss questions of what went on that night by saying she didn't know who cl was with and so didn't spend time with her, than having to answer awkward questions or admit that all wasn't quite as rosy between the friends as we were led to believe - jmo.

Not sure if the police do know all the answers to these questions. I mean they know what they have been told are the answers, but in no way does that mean they know the truth.

A new investigative documentary would be great, if only for showing those involved that this hasn't gone away and people are still on the case.

I was out walking my dog recently and I just happened to bump into a lady with a similar dog who was from Malton - I asked her how long she had lived there and remarked on the case - she knew Claudia from the spotted cow - I asked her what Claudia was like and she said after a long thoughtful pause….. she was odd…. She would always be quiet in a group, stand at the back and just observe.
I refer to PricklyKittys recent post regarding the police having knowledge of a long standing relationship going on with a married man and also Claudia two timing this person with a new relationship. I think it’s easy to take Claudia at face value and think she’s a shy naive young woman. The evidence suggests she isn’t. Further more her close friends are suggesting she was not in a relationship - it seems she was in at least two. I also do not feel it’s on that S.C. Has failed to be totally honest by stating she didn’t know who Claudia was with on Friday 13th. If she had been honest and said there were problems and why there were problems Peter Lawrance may have had peace before his passing

 

[Popejohn3]

I was out walking my dog recently and I just happened to bump into a lady with a similar dog who was from Malton - I asked her how long she had lived there and remarked on the case - she knew Claudia from the spotted cow - I asked her what Claudia was like and she said after a long thoughtful pause….. she was odd…. She would always be quiet in a group, stand at the back and just observe.
I refer to PricklyKittys recent post regarding the police having knowledge of a long standing relationship going on with a married man and also Claudia two timing this person with a new relationship. I think it’s easy to take Claudia at face value and think she’s a shy naive young woman. The evidence suggests she isn’t. Further more her close friends are suggesting she was not in a relationship - it seems she was in at least two. I also do not feel it’s on that S.C. Has failed to be totally honest by stating she didn’t know who Claudia was with on Friday 13th. If she had been honest and said there were problems and why there were problems Peter Lawrance may have had peace before his passing

Maybe SC was more open ( in private ) with Peter RIP .
And can you two time a married man ? Isn’t he doing the same .. what’s good for the goose is good for the gander ?
And respectfully how do you know ‘ SC was not totally honest when she said she did not know who Claudia was with ‘
And btw to me it’s clear that there must have been new faces in the NH on that Friday !

 

[Blonderabbit]

Maybe SC was more open ( in private ) with Peter RIP .
And can you two time a married man ? Isn’t he doing the same .. what’s good for the goose is good for the gander ?
And respectfully how do you know ‘ SC was not totally honest when she said she did not know who Claudia was with ‘
And btw to me it’s clear that there must have been new faces in the NH on that Friday !

Respectfully, please see the links Prickly kitty posted in an earlier recent post - it refers to D.O. The work colleague revealing the “new relationship” the police tell of their frustration and then refer to the married lover and the new relationship. Can you explain why you feel
Their were new faces in the nags head that evening?