UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #17

[Nikynoo]

What proof do you have that she left for work?

well, obviously, the police have stated that she left for work. What proof do you have that she didn't?

 

[Raffy]

My understanding from previous discussions on this thread that it was the landlord or certain properties behind Claudias house and that he dies shortly soon after her death (from a heart attack I believe).

IMO 'Alleyman' has nothing to do with Claudias disappearance and is simply used as a diversionary tactic.

I believe, as i think the police do, the person in the alley footage is the landlord RC. As he passed away before the police could link him to the footage then obviously he couldn't himself confirm it was him.

Claudia Lawrence detectives were searching for man who died days after she disappeared

A man in the hunt for missing chef Claudia Lawrence died shortly after she disappeared, it has emerged.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Nikynoo]

I believe, as i think the police do, the person in the alley footage is the landlord RC. As he passed away before the police could link him to the footage then obviously he couldn't himself confirm it was him.

Claudia Lawrence detectives were searching for man who died days after she disappeared

A man in the hunt for missing chef Claudia Lawrence died shortly after she disappeared, it has emerged.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Yes, this is correct.

@Blonderabbit if you look through all the threads (sorry, don't have time at the moment to locate) - there was some very good analysis on the timings of alleyman and how far into the alley he could have got given the timeline (going in and coming out). Both the evening and morning timings were more or less the same and the analysis was that he could not have had enough time to reach Claudia's house at the rear of the property.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I think no one but him is able to say that !

Of course though you can surmise - imagine - the love of your life, you’re having a secret fling with, it’s a very powerful feeling, it can totally consume you. You’ve heard down the grapevine that you’re now second fiddle, as Another man is now centre of Claudias attention. You’ve knocked on the front door - no answer, so you’ve gone round the back, only to see your love rival on his way under your very nose!!! - you know him and he knows you, but perhaps he doesn’t know he’s having a secret with Claudia! This is only me thinking through a possible scenario.
So is only my opinion.

 

[Blonderabbit]

Yes, this is correct.

@Blonderabbit if you look through all the threads (sorry, don't have time at the moment to locate) - there was some very good analysis on the timings of alleyman and how far into the alley he could have got given the timeline (going in and coming out). Both the evening and morning timings were more or less the same and the analysis was that he could not have had enough time to reach Claudia's house at the rear of the property.

Hi, yes I know about the timings as I think I participated on that thread - I have been there many many times and when you actually see it first hand the walk he does in view is really only a few feet - it looks much longer on the footage than it really is. He’s called alleyway man, tho there’s no guarantee that’s where he went. I have actually measured his pace against the time and yes he could get to the rear of Claudias garden and back - but he could also have walked into Heworth place and back. I just noted Raffys post. I had a conversation in June 2020 - tracking Alleywayman was still an outstanding question then and what he was doing.

 

[Blonderabbit]

well, obviously, the police have stated that she left for work. What proof do you have that she didn't?

I think that was the initial thinking, though Not now. Against leaving for work - not seen anywhere on cctv or by witness that can be backed up after arriving home from work. Just after 8.23pm on 18th March 2009 all communication ceases - an avid texter - she receives a text at 9.01pm from Cyprus the sender expects her to respond - she never does. It all looks to be kicking off outside Claudias front door at 9.01pm - shown on the bus footage. I think when you weigh it up
My favoured probability is something takes place then - she leaves expecting to stay over somewhere taking her rucksack with her - toothbrush on the side in a rush, slippers at the front door , bed not slept in. My only issue with this is her phone stays active close to her home some 4 hours after she is due to arrive at work. Back on the roundabout of phone signals and masts.!

 

[Popejohn3]

I think that was the initial thinking, though Not now. Against leaving for work - not seen anywhere on cctv or by witness that can be backed up after arriving home from work. Just after 8.23pm on 18th March 2009 all communication ceases - an avid texter - she receives a text at 9.01pm from Cyprus the sender expects her to respond - she never does. It all looks to be kicking off outside Claudias front door at 9.01pm - shown on the bus footage. I think when you weigh it up
My favoured probability is something takes place then - she leaves expecting to stay over somewhere taking her rucksack with her - toothbrush on the side in a rush, slippers at the front door , bed not slept in. My only issue with this is her phone stays active close to her home some 4 hours after she is due to arrive at work. Back on the roundabout of phone signals and masts.!

What do you mean kicking off ? She simply got in one of the cars outside her house ?
I presume the police also examined the footage from the next bus ? Were any of the cars still there ?
Wasn’t there a red car outside her house and then a red car was seen in the morning with passenger door open ?

 

[Blonderabbit]

What do you mean kicking off ? She simply got in one of the cars outside her house ?
I presume the police also examined the footage from the next bus ? Were any of the cars still there ?
Wasn’t there a red car outside her house and then a red car was seen in the morning with passenger door open ?

What do you mean “simply got in one of the cars?” Red car outside her house? Red car with door open? Please can you provide a link?

 

[Popejohn3]

What do you mean “simply got in one of the cars?” Red car outside her house? Red car with door open? Please can you provide a link?

People on here said there was a truck and a car parked outside her house seen on the bus cctv
Also a witness saw Claudia ? Arguing close to the uni and across the road from a red car with its passenger door open it might also have been a lhd car

 

[Popejohn3]

Im also not sure what you mean by ‘kicking off ‘
Was there a commotion / fight in which case others would have seen / heard it including the old man next door and possibly pub customers

 

[Blonderabbit]

Well ok Kicking off is a bit dramatic, though my take in it is - there’s an SUV parked right across the kerb blocking the pavement - there’s another car parked close in front with just enough room for a man to crab through - which you can see a man emerging between the cars at just turn 9pm on the 18th March 2009 - it’s subjective but to me he looks to have a ripped jacket on (not a sandy mac)

 

[Blonderabbit]

Im also not sure what you mean by ‘kicking off ‘
Was there a commotion / fight in which case others would have seen / heard it including the old man next door and possibly pub customers

And yes from talking to people I get the impression - there were witnesses to the commotion - possibly at the pub and close by.
This is only my impression though and not fact

 

[Pricklykitty]

well, obviously, the police have stated that she left for work. What proof do you have that she didn't?

I think originally they thought she had left for work but later changed their minds to not being sure.

It was believed that Miss Lawrence left home to walk to work at around 5.30am on Thursday but Mr Galloway said it was not known if she might have gone missing on Wednesday evening.

The detective said nobody had heard from Miss Lawrence since 8.30pm on Wednesday, which was unusual as she was a "prolific texter".
Police fear missing chef Claudia Lawrence has "come to harm"

When Dai Malyn took over he also said
We still don’t know if Claudia left for work on the morning of Thursday 19 March 2009 or whether something happened overnight within her house. If the latter is the case the person or persons responsible, in my view, would have used the rear alleyway as the front door leads onto a busy main road. This is why this specific piece of information needs to be fully investigated."
CLAUDIA LAWRENCE: Police searching alley behind her house today - CCTV to be reviewed - chef has been missing for almost 6 years

 

[Woodburnbay]

Ok let’s rephrase- if AC is the person seen on Cctv wearing a sandy Mac and also by a witness outside Claudias property on the morning of the 19th then it’s highly unlikely he’s alleyway man,

Perhaps this was all part of the stageing.

 

[Blonderabbit]

Perhaps this was all part of the stageing.

On an early post of mine you commented saying interesting/good observation. - the post I refer to is the one in which I said the alleyman footage could be more about Sandy Mac than alleywayman himself. Also in ref to your post above - Whitehall - our detective and SAR - used a phrase and explained only professional hits are organised mostly - and also look to the simple solution. I don’t think there’s any staging or special effects - the answer is simple - it’s likely the work of 1 man. 1 man getting caught up in it and two helping cover it up. The fact that there were two vehicles at the front of Claudias on the bus footage suggests more than 1 POI.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I think originally they thought she had left for work but later changed their minds to not being sure.

It was believed that Miss Lawrence left home to walk to work at around 5.30am on Thursday but Mr Galloway said it was not known if she might have gone missing on Wednesday evening.

The detective said nobody had heard from Miss Lawrence since 8.30pm on Wednesday, which was unusual as she was a "prolific texter".
Police fear missing chef Claudia Lawrence has "come to harm"

When Dai Malyn took over he also said
We still don’t know if Claudia left for work on the morning of Thursday 19 March 2009 or whether something happened overnight within her house. If the latter is the case the person or persons responsible, in my view, would have used the rear alleyway as the front door leads onto a busy main road. This is why this specific piece of information needs to be fully investigated."
CLAUDIA LAWRENCE: Police searching alley behind her house today - CCTV to be reviewed - chef has been missing for almost 6 years

There is evidence against the ”Rear door scenario “ her rucksack is missing, chef whites hair straighteners. Mobile phone is gone. Slippers by the front door. Mind you I have given less weight to the slippers by the front door recently as she may have had more than 1 pair.
I just find it impossible to believe someone would think to take her rucksack to make it look like she had left for work

 

[Blonderabbit]

Alleywayman why did he hesitate? Because he didn’t want to be seen is my guess. Not in general but not by Sandy Mac. Footage - you see him come from The front of Claudias - round the corner towards the alley and out of view - he’s walked on the main road so has no problem with being seen. He only hesitates for Sandy Mac - why?

 

[FromGermany1]

On an early post of mine you commented saying interesting/good observation. - the post I refer to is the one in which I said the alleyman footage could be more about Sandy Mac than alleywayman himself. Also in ref to your post above - Whitehall - our detective and SAR - used a phrase and explained only professional hits are organised mostly - and also look to the simple solution. I don’t think there’s any staging or special effects - the answer is simple - it’s likely the work of 1 man. 1 man getting caught up in it and two helping cover it up. The fact that there were two vehicles at the front of Claudias on the bus footage suggests more than 1 POI.

bbm

..... or the 2 helpers were very quick with their arrival at Claudia's. And in addition very uncareful, actually, if they parked just in front of Claudia's door.
Doesn't make really sense. IMO

 

[Blonderabbit]

bbm

..... or the 2 helpers were very quick with their arrival at Claudia's. And in addition very uncareful, actually, if they parked just in front of Claudia's door.
Doesn't make really sense. IMO

More questions than solutions - look at the Suv it’s right across the pavement - the car in front is also along the same line - so I’d think it’s likely the first car arrived first followed by the suv - maybe at different times, maybe at the same time. If Sandy mac passed on the alleyman footage at 7.15pm and went into Claudias then - it means he may have been there when Claudia talked to her parents. (That’s if he went in)

 

[Blonderabbit]

I think a possibility is alleyway man is going to see CL but she doesn’t answer the door as she’s waiting for Sandy Mac, he goes round the back to see if she’s on her sunbed/lights are on - goes to go back round the front and see Sandy Mac - hesitates to let Sandy Mac gain some ground - possibly working together but I feel it’s more likely they are not. Again this is all very well, but why do it again in the morning ?