UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #17

[Blonderabbit]

Was wondering about the police appeal video screen put in Heworth place - did the police feel alleyway man lived in Heworth Place?

 

[Woodburnbay]

She wasn’t though, she was with locals, regulars - we know this as - it has been reported that she had “beer-fear” from her top top friend JK. And gave the nags a wide birth over the coming days. I have no source I can reference though I am of the opinion SC is lying for some reason. Can’t quite work it out as I’m unsure of the group dynamics.

I’d like to go back to Vixey post about the spotted cow and this leading to Claudias demise. She cannot be seen anywhere on cctv after entering Heworth after work. Not on the 18th or 19th. So even if she went out of the back of her house - how was it not caught on limes cctv? And if she went out of the front the only possibility is she was obscured by a bus - perhaps the one which passed at 9.01pm on the 18th - tho this seems unlikely as her phone remained close to her home some 2 hours after she failed to turn up at work. So please explain how the spotted cow played a part in Claudias disappearance

If she went out of back of her house and into PR terrace on Haworth place, she could have met her demise there. She would then not appear on CCTV.
Perhaps they put her in the boot of the maroon Volvo that att he time belonged to Robinson one of 4 arrested. Limes cameras have never showed any footage, they were not used to show where Alley man went to-Did he go to back of Claudia's house, down alley or further into Haworth Place, PR house or even the maroon `Volvo parked outside.

 

[Woodburnbay]

Also if you can remember, peter Lawrence mentioned two altercations with the wives or partners in the nags head. One was LH wife imo and peter said that was some time prior. The second was very close to her disappearance. Another thing that confused me was Martin Dales suggestion of a secret lover(a police officer) which was credible information, as from a friend and reliable source. Wasn’t the pub, close to the Acomb pub and the police station a regular haunt for officers. I believe it was the same pub the Alistair cooper (candy man) would also regularly drink in x

There was a pub opposite police station that police went into, but would she drink there as other police would know.

 

[Blonderabbit]

If she went out of back of her house and into PR terrace on Haworth place, she could have met her demise there. She would then not appear on CCTV.
Perhaps they put her in the boot of the maroon Volvo that att he time belonged to Robinson one of 4 arrested. Limes cameras have never showed any footage, they were not used to show where Alley man went to-Did he go to back of Claudia's house, down alley or further into Haworth Place, PR house or even the maroon `Volvo parked outside.

Alleyman - did the same manoeuvre twice. Which you have to account for. Plus he had a very short time - a matter of seconds off camera.

 

[cortina]

hey all, first time posting on this thread, though I have recently read through all the posts from the very first on thread one, which has made for some interesting and frustrating reading at times!! Some of the information posted has been amazing and I have felt that some of you have come very close to the truth at times.

My thoughts on what happened to Claudia haven't really changed much over the years, though my thoughts on who was responsible have. Just my own opinion, but I do believe Claudia came to harm at the hands of someone she knew well, and that others around Claudia have knowledge of what happened. If not full knowledge, at least an idea of what happened to her.

forgot to. say hello....youre a brave soul, going through all the posts...hope. you've had a good lie down...in general terms, what are your thoughts about the motive

 

[cortina]

You say “affair” which implies the alleged police officer relationship was married or that Claudia was in a relationship at the time - please can you explain

by affair, I dont mean either party had a partner....just. that it was a romantic and or sexual relationship that. didn't develop into anything permanent

 

[Woodburnbay]

Alleyman - did the same manoeuvre twice. Which you have to account for. Plus he had a very short time - a matter of seconds off camera.

Yes he had only enough time to get to:

maroon car or another car
Haworth Place property
Back of Claudias or Heworth place house but not to rear of Claudias door

Was alley man just looking for Claudia rather than being the culprit.

 

[Woodburnbay]

Whilst concentrating on alley man we seem to have forgotten the two witnesses who saw the man in combat trousers and black hoodie, smoking with his left hand.

Was this the person seen en route to how Claudia would walk to work. The hoodie person was seen talking to a woman that may have been Claudia although Police are not sure on this.
Of course the person in Hoodie and combats could also have been female.

 

[Blonderabbit]

Yes he had only enough time to get to:

maroon car or another car
Haworth Place property
Back of Claudias or Heworth place house but not to rear of Claudias door

Was alley man just looking for Claudia rather than being

<modsnip> and I’ve also looked at the distance covered, pace speed and time off camera. Possibilities vs time. And I think there’s so many variables in this approach. Another way is to take each of your “prime suspects” and then evaluate the possibilities. Put cooper to one side and think about other possibilities for alleywayman - then evaluate the options - you may come to a different conclusion. <modsnip - if you aren't willing to talk about it, then don't mention it>

 

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[Blonderabbit]

It was reported in lots of msm sources that NYP arrested 4 men and gathered evidence which they put to the cps - the cps didn’t feel it met the threshold for a successful prosecution. The 4 were named by several msm sources. NYP released some CCTV footage of an alleywayman which they illustrated on a screen and placed this screen in Heworth place. I feel it would be beneficial for Claudias family and friends for sleuths to examine potential suspects living/staying in Heworth place and the time of Claudias disappearance in my opinion.

 

[Knitty]

It was reported in lots of msm sources that NYP arrested 4 men and gathered evidence which they put to the cps - the cps didn’t feel it met the threshold for a successful prosecution. The 4 were named by several msm sources. NYP released some CCTV footage of an alleywayman which they illustrated on a screen and placed this screen in Heworth place. I feel it would be beneficial for Claudias family and friends for sleuths to examine potential suspects living/staying in Heworth place and the time of Claudias disappearance in my opinion.

Find the sources. Post the links.

 

[Popejohn3]

Alleyman - did the same manoeuvre twice. Which you have to account for. Plus he had a very short time - a matter of seconds off camera.

I think allyman was stalking her and she and others were aware of him .Did he finally catch up with her ? Was he anxious to meet up with her before she went on holiday?
Was he even trying to stop her going on holiday without him, believing he was special to her ?
I believe he was her new ‘mystery ‘ boyfriend the same one she stayed out with late into the night a couple of days before she disappeared !

 

[Pricklykitty]

forgot to. say hello....youre a brave soul, going through all the posts...hope. you've had a good lie down...in general terms, what are your thoughts about the motive

Hi, yes it did turn out to be a much bigger task than I originally thought! I've struggled a bit with motive over the years, but I honestly believe the motive lies in Claudias personal relationships. Either someone got jealous, or someone got scared of something coming out. I'm not sure I think it was as planned out as others believe, and think it could just as easily have been a situation that got out of control, and was then covered up. Something I've come to realise through my interest in true crime cases is that people will go to extraordinary and irrational lengths to save their own skin. Also criminals do get lucky unfortunately, and even when more than one criminal is involved, secrets can be kept, especially of there is a bond between those committing the crime.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I think allyman was stalking her and she and others were aware of him .Did he finally catch up with her ? Was he anxious to meet up with her before she went on holiday?
Was he even trying to stop her going on holiday without him, believing he was special to her ?
I believe he was her new ‘mystery ‘ boyfriend the same one she stayed out with late into the night a couple of days before she disappeared !

I think not, he’s one of the 4 in my opinion

 

[Blonderabbit]

Hi, yes it did turn out to be a much bigger task than I originally thought! I've struggled a bit with motive over the years, but I honestly believe the motive lies in Claudias personal relationships. Either someone got jealous, or someone got scared of something coming out. I'm not sure I think it was as planned out as others believe, and think it could just as easily have been a situation that got out of control, and was then covered up. Something I've come to realise through my interest in true crime cases is that people will go to extraordinary and irrational lengths to save their own skin. Also criminals do get lucky unfortunately, and even when more than one criminal is involved, secrets can be kept, especially of there is a bond between those committing the crime.

How many of the four did she have a relationship with and which ones I wonder?
Does anyone know?

 

[Pricklykitty]

How many of the four did she have a relationship with and which ones I wonder?
Does anyone know?

I have seen chat online regarding two of the four, but nothing has been officially confirmed....or denied.

I think, imo, there was probably a few blurred lines between people within the social group, not just the 4 but including them, which could have caused complications for existing or newly developing relationships.

 

[Woodburnbay]

Was wondering about the police appeal video screen put in Heworth place - did the police feel alleyway man lived in Heworth Place?

In my opinion, the video screen was placed in Haworth Place as that was where alley man walked. But you could also be right that by putting the video screen in this location, they were perhaps putting the frighteners on potential suspects who lived in this area.

 

[Pricklykitty]

There is a video that explains this on youtube but I wasn't sure I could link it so just using this picture instead to show what I think makes alley man pause. I don't think its to avoid being seen by the man circled in red as I think he stops too late for this. I also doubt he stops to avoid being seen with the man circled in red as I think he moves off too soon and would still only be a few steps behind him on the main road. If I wanted to make sure I wasn't able to be placed as being with someone somewhere I would put more than a few paces between myself and that person.
Personally I think he pauses at the place he does as he catches the appearance of the apparent person circled in blue opposite. Why this would make him pause is another rabbit hole to go down to be honest, but I do think this is why he pauses where and when he does.

I also have some thoughts about who the man in the red circle is, but I can't name him as he has never been named as a poi, but I don't think he is the same white jacket man who is seen in the morning and costcutters cctv.


Once again all just my own opinion and I know not everyone will agree, but just some thoughts to add to the conversation

 

[Dotta]

And I wonder where her body is.
How is it possible that she was never found?