UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #17

[Blonderabbit]

CELL SITE TRIANGULATION

Imagine if you will three cell towers.

Each cell tower receives a signal from the same mobile phone at the same time.

Now dependant on the strength of the signal received by each tower draw a circle around the cell tower, with the cell tower in the centre. The radius of the circle is dependant on the strength of the signal. A stronger signal has a larger radius and vice versa.

Repeat this for each of the cell towers that receive a signal from the phone at the same time.

Where the radii intersect is the area in which the phone is located.

This is the general principle although there may be other parameters which impact on the triangulation, such as the number of cell towers that are receiving a signal from the phone, the topography and other obstructions that affect signal quality.

Apologies for being curious, however what’s the motivation/benefit to examine this case on a forum like websleuths for someone employed in L.E.?

 

[Popejohn3]

I’m not with you - what makes you think the perps are from Malton or Acomb? Because she visited the pubs before she disappeared? But she then lived in Heworth worked at the college etc etc the killer could be from anywhere given that assumption or do you have more specific information?

It looks to me that Pinkizzy is saying the opposite… perpetrators NOT from Malton/Acombe they drove there !

 

[Whitehall 1212]

Apologies for being curious, however what’s the motivation/benefit to examine this case on a forum like websleuths for someone employed in L.E.?

I'll look at the case as far as the information in the public domain is concerned. Obviously with only limited information available there is little realistic chance of identifying a golden nugget. However, I may identify potentially untapped lines of enquiry. I have done in another high profile case, which was fed back to the investigation team.

My interest is more to provide professional clarity on the subject matter that I have experience in.

I also closely follow major trials as the, often fascinating, evidence is revealed in court and weigh up what my verdict would be if I was on the jury.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I'll look at the case as far as the information in the public domain is concerned. Obviously with only limited information available there is little realistic chance of identifying a golden nugget. However, I may identify potentially untapped lines of enquiry. I have done in another high profile case, which was fed back to the investigation team.

My interest is more to provide professional clarity on the subject matter that I have experience in.

I also closely follow major trials as the, often fascinating, evidence is revealed in court and weigh up what my verdict would be if I was on the jury.

Thank you, I think you may find “nuggets” of info here. I do feel there is an opportunity for closure. Firstly the police should go over the case with a fresh time line, on reflection the team now have the benefit of hindsight so it could filter out information which is not relevant. Focusing on specifics which the public can help with. I’m sure the answers are maybe even here on this very forum. Another angle is around the family. There’s justice and there’s closure - if it is as thought a man in his latter years - could he be offered a deal
To come clean and take a reduced sentence as long as he was transparent about Claudias remains (if there are any).

 

[Whitehall 1212]

There’s justice and there’s closure - if it is as thought a man in his latter years - could he be offered a deal
To come clean and take a reduced sentence as long as he was transparent about Claudias remains (if there are any).

Not for one moment would there ever be a plea bargin for the most serious of offences

If there was a unilateral approach by the offender or one of the offenders with full disclosure then they will be given credit for that at sentencing.

Living a life looking over your shoulder, never knowing when the knock at the door may come or the hard stop by police on the road or in the street, must be mentally destructive and significantly limit the quality of life.

He or they will string it out and they'll be caught at the point of no return when their life expectancy is less than their sentence.....it will become a whole life tariff, maybe not In name, but in reality.

David Venables 89 years, was recently convicted of his wife, Brenda's murder, forty years before, hiding her body in the septic tank at their farm. He will die in prison. He screamed "no" as he was taken down as his new reality hit

This is what awaits the killer/s of Claudia.

May they live long and suffer every day.

 

[Dotta]

David Venables 89 years, was recently convicted of his wife, Brenda's murder, forty years before, hiding her body in the septic tank at their farm. He will die in prison He screamed "no" as he was taken down as his new reality hit

This is what awaits the killer/s of Claudia.

May they live long and suffer every day.

I hope the perp/s will be caught before they turn 90!!!

 

[Blonderabbit]

Not for one moment would there ever be a plea bargin for the most serious of offences

If there was a unilateral approach by the offender or one of the offenders with full disclosure then they will be given credit for that at sentencing.

Living a life looking over your shoulder, never knowing when the knock at the door may come or the hard stop by police on the road or in the street, must be mentally destructive and significantly limit the quality of life.

He or they will string it out and they'll be caught at the point of no return when their life expectancy is less than their sentence.....it will become a whole life tariff, maybe not In name, but in reality.

David Venables 89 years, was recently convicted of his wife, Brenda's murder, forty years before, hiding her body in the septic tank at their farm. He will die in prison. He screamed "no" as he was taken down as his new reality hit

This is what awaits the killer/s of Claudia.

May they live long and suffer every day.

Whilst I agree with your sentiment, I feel for her immediate family. I’m sure that there’s many in the knowledge carrying the burden, day in day out looking out of their windows looking at Claudias Green door, on the walk to the nags or driving to work.

 

[Popejohn3]

Not for one moment would there ever be a plea bargin for the most serious of offences

If there was a unilateral approach by the offender or one of the offenders with full disclosure then they will be given credit for that at sentencing.

Living a life looking over your shoulder, never knowing when the knock at the door may come or the hard stop by police on the road or in the street, must be mentally destructive and significantly limit the quality of life.

He or they will string it out and they'll be caught at the point of no return when their life expectancy is less than their sentence.....it will become a whole life tariff, maybe not In name, but in reality.

David Venables 89 years, was recently convicted of his wife, Brenda's murder, forty years before, hiding her body in the septic tank at their farm. He will die in prison. He screamed "no" as he was taken down as his new reality hit

This is what awaits the killer/s of Claudia.

May they live long and suffer every day.

But what if it was an accident ? Ie never meant to kill her ?

 

[Popejohn3]

Whilst I agree with your sentiment, I feel for her immediate family. I’m sure that there’s many in the knowledge carrying the burden, day in day out looking out of their windows looking at Claudias Green door, on the walk to the nags or driving to work.

Here we go again some have not even been arrested !

 

[Dotta]

But what if it was an accident ? Ie never meant to kill her ?

Then this person should have called 911 or whatever emergency number is.

Accidents happen.

MOO

 

[Whitehall 1212]

But what if it was an accident ? Ie never meant to kill her ?

Unfortunately, with the passage of time and the concealment it would be very difficult for anyone to demonstrate that CL's death was accidential/unintentional or that they didn't intend her serious harm.

Of course this assumes that CL did not leave of her own volition......I don't feel that is a realistic scenario.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

Whilst I agree with your sentiment, I feel for her immediate family. I’m sure that there’s many in the knowledge carrying the burden, day in day out looking out of their windows looking at Claudias Green door, on the walk to the nags or driving to work.

I can only begin to understand the awful reality. The not knowing must be terrible. The constant reminders and periodic police activity must make the heart sink and bring the trauma to the fore again.

 

[Popejohn3]

Unfortunately, with the passage of time and the concealment it would be very difficult for anyone to demonstrate that CL's death was accidential/unintentional or that they didn't intend her serious harm.

Of course this assumes that CL did not leave of her own volition......I don't feel that is a realistic scenario.

I knew that I was going to be misunderstood the minute I posted that . I was referring to living guilt free knowing no major harm was intended !

 

[Whitehall 1212]

I knew that I was going to be misunderstood the minute I posted that . I was referring to living guilt free knowing no major harm was intended !

Even if it was an accident, then most people would soon come to their senses and realise the couldn't live such a lie and put the family and friends through such pain.

I don't think for many it would be a feeling of guilt free....if it was then there is a significant lack of empathy, which is concerning in itself.

 

[Blonderabbit]

Whitehall 1212 One of the most puzzling parts of the case is she was not seen anywhere after arriving home from work on the afternoon of the 18th March 2009 - either by witness or cctv. So that then leads you to believe whatever happened took place in her home - though there is conflicting evidence - bed made, slippers by the front door, rucksack phone chef whites hair straighteners missing, breakfast pots, toothbrush on drainer - no signs of a struggle, no screams heard etc. another theory is the killer/s cleaned up and made it look as though she left for work in the morning. Now I find this hard to believe - I try to keep an open mind however to have that level of planning! Is it likely? In your experience is it so likely it is worth considering or is it so unlikely that whilst it can’t be ruled out you would be better off considering more likely outcomes?

 

[Woodburnbay]

Then this person should have called 911 or whatever emergency number is.

Accidents happen.

MOO

But so many don't call 911 (SIC) when an accident, the just get themselves in deeper.

I don't think for many it would be a feeling of guilt free....if it was then there is a significant lack of empathy, which is concerning in itself.

Would a Narcissist feel any guilt?
Would they just think "She deserved it, she got what was coming to her. That's what you get for messing around with ....."

At least one person with Narcissistic tendencies has emerged and shows these attributes when interviewed by the media.

Im not saying its them, there are many narcissist in the world. Im just saying what could be going through the mind of the culprit "It wasn't my fault, It was hers"

 

[Blonderabbit]

But so many don't call 911 (SIC) when an accident, the just get themselves in deeper.

Would a Narcissist feel any guilt?
Would they just think "She deserved it, she got what was coming to her. That's what you get for messing around with ....."

At least one person with Narcissistic tendencies has emerged and shows these attributes when interviewed by the media.

Im not saying its them, there are many narcissist in the world. Im just saying what could be going through the mind of the culprit "It wasn't my fault, It was hers"

I think if you check the evidence it’s quite obvious it does matter and they have the daily trauma on their shoulders. Aged well beyond their years, has had counselling. Why would you need therapy because your friends gone missing? Did her dad/mum/sister? Or anyone else? Yes we all handle our emotions differently.

 

[Woodburnbay]

I think if you check the evidence it’s quite obvious it does matter and they have the daily trauma on their shoulders. Aged well beyond their years, has had counselling. Why would you need therapy because your friends gone missing? Did her dad/mum/sister? Or anyone else? Yes we all handle our emotions differently.

If someone is having therapy because Claudia has gone missing, it could be for many reasons:

The loss of someone they really cared about
That they are carrying the guilt of not being there at the time to protect Claudia
For saying something to someone that put Claudia in Danger
For hiring someone to do the deed themselves

Of course, for a Narcissist, it would be all about them and not Claudia and they would want to be the centre of attention.

Imagine how a Narcissist feels when all the attention is shown around Claudia-Understandably.

How would you then get peoples attention back:

Appear in the media as a caring friend
Stay living in the epicentre
Have people feel compassion for you because you are suffering more than Claudia-Poor Claudia can no longer feel any pain.

Perhaps they are having therapy, not to deal with their guilt, but for what I describe above. IMO.

 

[Blonderabbit]

If someone is having therapy because Claudia has gone missing, it could be for many reasons:

The loss of someone they really cared about
That they are carrying the guilt of not being there at the time to protect Claudia
For saying something to someone that put Claudia in Danger
For hiring someone to do the deed themselves

Of course, for a Narcissist, it would be all about them and not Claudia and they would want to be the centre of attention.

Imagine how a Narcissist feels when all the attention is shown around Claudia-Understandably.

How would you then get peoples attention back:

Appear in the media as a caring friend
Stay living in the epicentre
Have people feel compassion for you because you are suffering more than Claudia-Poor Claudia can no longer feel any pain.

Perhaps they are having therapy, not to deal with their guilt, but for what I describe above. IMO.

You seem to have found our “top top” friend of being a Narcissist. It’s a spectrum and it’s not all bad, most people have elements - controlling, egotistical, tell blatant lies and also bend truths. Abusive relationships can form the basis of these behaviours. It obviously becomes a problem when people lose sight of what’s right and wrong . I think if you look at the early interviews - you are seeing the real deal, someone who is inexperienced to the camera, the latter interviews are a whole different ball game. Never arrested so could be just nerves in front of a camera.

 

[Popejohn3]

Whitehall 1212 One of the most puzzling parts of the case is she was not seen anywhere after arriving home from work on the afternoon of the 18th March 2009 - either by witness or cctv. So that then leads you to believe whatever happened took place in her home - though there is conflicting evidence - bed made, slippers by the front door, rucksack phone chef whites hair straighteners missing, breakfast pots, toothbrush on drainer - no signs of a struggle, no screams heard etc. another theory is the killer/s cleaned up and made it look as though she left for work in the morning. Now I find this hard to believe - I try to keep an open mind however to have that level of planning! Is it likely? In your experience is it so likely it is worth considering or is it so unlikely that whilst it can’t be ruled out you would be better off considering more likely outcomes?

Let’s say it happened at home .The mystery of her dead or alive not being seen on cctv still remains unless she is still there !