UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #18

[susie sixpence]

Re male or female on the CCTV. North Yorkshire Police quote that they are looking for a man.https://www.northyorkshire.police.u...-searches-at-sand-hutton-gravel-pits-conclude

 

[Eastend Eagle]

Re male or female on the CCTV. North Yorkshire Police quote that they are looking for a man.https://www.northyorkshire.police.u...-searches-at-sand-hutton-gravel-pits-conclude

Thanks Susie.
However, this is only the police's opinion, they could be wrong.
Does anyone know who owned the camera the footage came from, was it a homeowner as opposed to the council?

 

[shadwell]

Thanks Cortina.
The figure looks stocky and I guess that's why people think it's a man. But to me the person's gait looks like that of a woman.
The question is of course, what was this person doing? If Claudia came to harm in the time soon after she stopped answering messages, then the question is, is there another route by which a body could be removed from Claudia's property without being picked up by CCTV? Could the figure picked up on CCTV be a decoy person to make police believe that whatever happened occurred in a different direction to which it actually did?
Does anyone know if there would have been a different way that a body / person could be removed without being picked up by local CCTV?

Wasn’t there some talk of a car being backed up into the entrance to the back alley - info requested re this during the Malyn review I seem to recall. Based on info received or just Malyn fishing?

If it left during the night you’d expect it to appear on the same Heworth Road camera as the Ford as it left Heworth Place and the alley man camera.

 

[shadwell]

Thanks Susie.
However, this is only the police's opinion, they could be wrong.
Does anyone know who owned the camera the footage came from, was it a homeowner as opposed to the council?

I think it was from the small camera on a pole in the Limes Court car park - not seen anything from any of the large wall-mounted cameras around there.

 

[shadwell]

Wasn’t there some talk of a car being backed up into the entrance to the back alley - info requested re this during the Malyn review I seem to recall. Based on info received or just Malyn fishing?

If it left during the night you’d expect it to appear on the same Heworth Road camera as the Ford as it left Heworth Place and the alley man camera.

Otherwise (at the time) it’s via the back alley to pretty much any house on Heworth Road or Heworth Place up as far as (and including) the Nag’s Head.

 

[Pinkizzy]

Thanks Cortina.
The figure looks stocky and I guess that's why people think it's a man. But to me the person's gait looks like that of a woman.
The question is of course, what was this person doing? If Claudia came to harm in the time soon after she stopped answering messages, then the question is, is there another route by which a body could be removed from Claudia's property without being picked up by CCTV? Could the figure picked up on CCTV be a decoy person to make police believe that whatever happened occurred in a different direction to which it actually did?
Does anyone know if there would have been a different way that a body / person could be removed without being picked up by local CCTV?

Someone suggested that the figure with a rucksack could be Claudia in disguise

 

[Eastend Eagle]

I think it was from the small camera on a pole in the Limes Court car park - not seen anything from any of the large wall-mounted cameras around there.

It's just that in the link that Susie posted earlier, NYP seemed to suggest that the camera wasn't filming consistently, just now and then.

 

[shadwell]

It's just that in the link that Susie posted earlier, NYP seemed to suggest that the camera wasn't filming consistently, just now and then.

If you’re referring to Dai Malyn’s quote: “The lack of extended CCTV footage from that CCTV camera on the days and weeks either side of Claudia’s disappearance…” on the NYP CL page, I would say there are a couple of possibilities:

First that the original inquiry simply didn’t request extended footage, being primarily focused on the theory of a street abduction on the morning of the 19th.

Alternatively, the camera turned at intervals to cover the whole of the Limes Court car park, meaning any amount of things could have occurred unseen on Heworth Place (cf: Corrie McKeague disappearance). Camera photo attached:

 

[susie sixpence]

Thank you Shadwell I understood that the camera used was the one highlighted here in green. I have borrowed your photo for a direct comparison hope you don't mind. It's simpler that way.

 

[cortina]

I really don't know what the police truly know, are convinced they know, rightly or wrongly, and what they're really stumped on.
I think Claudia left her home willingly or, at least, quietly, but who knows

 

[shadwell]

Thank you Shadwell I understood that the camera used was the one highlighted here in green. I have borrowed your photo for a direct comparison hope you don't mind. It's simpler that way.View attachment 378984

I incline more towards the pole camera because it has the better angle for seeing clear onto Heworth Road - the wall mounted camera also looks to be angled too far downward. Also, the pole camera matches the design of the camera on Heworth Road that captured the Ford Focus - presumably different owners for the two setups. As I said, I’m not sure I’ve seen any footage that would tally with the big white cameras, which seem to be focused tightly within the grounds of the Limes Court accommodation. Ford camera below:

 

[Pinkizzy]

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[Popejohn3]

A Tragic Enduring Mystery: What Happened To Claudia Lawrence, UK - Reasoned Crime Chronicle

Claudia Lawrence was, 35, when she disappeared from her home in York, Northern England. The last time she was seen was on the afternoon of 18th March 2009. She talked to her parents, Joan and Peter, in the evening and that was the last that was heard from her. 13 years have gone by since

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[Woodburnbay]

Thank you Shadwell I understood that the camera used was the one highlighted here in green. I have borrowed your photo for a direct comparison hope you don't mind. It's simpler that way.View attachment 378984

Looking at the images police used, the camera illustrated with the red arrow is the correct camera. We do not appear to have had images from the cameras in Heworth Place situated on the walls of Limes Court-I wonder why?

 

[Woodburnbay]

Is the ' alleyman ' known to definitely be a man or do they have the gait of a woman?

It could have been JK checking to see if her boyfriend and POI PR was inside Claudias house-Motive??

 

[FromGermany1]

It could have been JK checking to see if her boyfriend and POI PR was inside Claudias house-Motive??

Does make a lot of sense, but. I believe, it is rather a man in the surveillance video.

 

[Pinkizzy]

What if it was Suzie who went to look on her friend but didn't like what she saw through the rear kitchen window?

 

[shadwell]

Looking at the images police used, the camera illustrated with the red arrow is the correct camera. We do not appear to have had images from the cameras in Heworth Place situated on the walls of Limes Court-I wonder why?

At a guess, it may be that NYP did have footage from these cameras, but there was nothing of apparent note in it, or nothing that related to a public appeal - the only occasions on which we would get to see it. Alternatively, it may be that the cameras were monitoring only, with no recording function activated at the time.

 

[shadwell]

Calling all Sleuths - if you had 1 question to put to detectives regarding this case - what would your question be?

Video: People know what happened to Claudia – says new detective on the case

yorkmix.com

At the moment I’d go with: were the alleged sightings of a scruffy man with a spade in Buttercrambe Woods ever followed up?

Search for Claudia intensifies amid reports of 'scruffy man with spade'

Claudia Lawrence's mum Joan recalls the incident as police search

www.examinerlive.co.uk

This got several mentions in the wake of the Sand Hutton search last year, but it’s only looking back through stuff now that I’m reminded of the older man with ‘scruffy’ hair reported as being seen standing outside 46 Heworth Road at around 6.45am on the morning of 19/3/09.

UPDATED - CLAUDIA LAWRENCE: Mystery men seen at her door and new CCTV released

TWO mystery men were seen outside Claudia Lawrence’s house the week she disappeared, police dramatically revealed last night.

www.yorkpress.co.uk

 

[FromGermany1]

What if it was Suzie who went to look on her friend but didn't like what she saw through the rear kitchen window?

Possible perhaps. But as I said: I think, it is rather a man, who is walking there.