UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #18

[cortina]

I suppose my one question would be......do you strongly believe that the. perp or perps come from among her circle. of He worth friends or do you believe they have been frightened into withholding information

sorry for the gap above but my computer is still obsessed with the Brontes

 

[Vixey]

I believe Claudias friend SC was keeping her distance, with good reason. Claudia had already booked to go to Cyprus, but had not disclosed this to SS in conversation . Claudia asked JK to go on holiday, and was meeting SC to plan a holiday. The holiday with JK was booked a week after Claudias disappearance. SC choose not to speak to JK or Claudia in the nags head prior her disappearance, nor did she recognise the company Claudia had that evening. Sits at the nags head, and does not knock on, when her best friend does not show. However is very concerned by the morning, although Claudia had booked the day off. Her friends fully aware of this. Many friends appear concerned with claudias welfare suddenly, and her walking to work. Although many car problems, this had been the norm for many weeks prior. JK recieved a message ( 12 days straight, no fun for me) although a holiday is booked, JK is not bewildered by this message . Imo something was going on, and those close knew exactly what imo. SC was not calling alone to check on Claudia, she was concerned imo. How many years later, and still no one cared enough for Claudia , to do the right thing :0 imo x

 

[Popejohn3]

Obviously something was going on with Claudia but it had nothing to do with her friends you mentioned IMO
Claudia had new friends at least ‘new’ as far as her old friends were concerned !
But her old friends quickly put two and two together and sent the police to Manchester within the first ten days of the investigation!
Just like clues to the ending is always in chapter one !
Now could the police investigating the Manchester link had a’missing person investigation cap on ‘? At that early stage ?

 

[cortina]

Obviously something was going on with Claudia but it had nothing to do with her friends you mentioned IMO
Claudia had new friends at least ‘new’ as far as her old friends were concerned !
But her old friends quickly put two and two together and sent the police to Manchester within the first ten days of the investigation!
Just like clues to the ending is always in chapter one !
Now could the police investigating the Manchester link had a’missing person investigation cap on ‘? At that early stage ?

im not sure if you thought vixey was saying that, but. I. don't think she was implying that Claudius old friends were involved in anything unsettling Claudia seemed to be. getting into
I. think, from what I've read, that its right to say suzy. Cooper was. worried about Claudia and. the. group she. was. with that she. didn't recognise...but I think she was also very tired. and exasperated. by her behaviour...she might not have done what we think to be. the right thing, but those. of us who have had friends with drug problems know its not that easy...im not saying. that. Claudia had drug problems, just that I think she had some kind of problems and that suzy would have been in a similar situation to. me. when a friend injected Ajax into his arm...as. I said, suzy. has no need to feel guilty as far as I know, but. I also know that you always. do feel guilty.
ive no. idea what Claudius other friends knew or thought about developments

 

[Blonderabbit]

Hi, could I respectfully ask you to validate and clarify some of your points

(“I believe Claudias friend SC was keeping her distance, with good reason.”)

What leads you to believe SC was keeping her distance and for “what good reason”?





(“Claudia had already booked to go to Cyprus, but had not disclosed this to SS in conversation”) Msm link please



“Claudia asked JK to go on holiday and was meeting SC to plan a holiday. The holiday with JK was booked a week after Claudia’s disappearance.” 1. How could Claudia book it after she disappeared, or do you mean it was the following week – so Monday 23rd March 2009 – Sunday 29th March 2009 (again if you can verify the source of this information, please



“Claudia had booked the day off” which day and again please if you can verify the source of this information.



Thank you in advance for your help

I believe Claudias friend SC was keeping her distance, with good reason. Claudia had already booked to go to Cyprus, but had not disclosed this to SS in conversation . Claudia asked JK to go on holiday, and was meeting SC to plan a holiday. The holiday with JK was booked a week after Claudias disappearance. SC choose not to speak to JK or Claudia in the nags head prior her disappearance, nor did she recognise the company Claudia had that evening. Sits at the nags head, and does not knock on, when her best friend does not show. However is very concerned by the morning, although Claudia had booked the day off. Her friends fully aware of this. Many friends appear concerned with claudias welfare suddenly, and her walking to work. Although many car problems, this had been the norm for many weeks prior. JK recieved a message ( 12 days straight, no fun for me) although a holiday is booked, JK is not bewildered by this message . Imo something was going on, and those close knew exactly what imo. SC was not calling alone to check on Claudia, she was concerned imo. How many years later, and still no one cared enough for Claudia , to do the right thing :0 imo x

 

[Blonderabbit]

Obviously something was going on with Claudia but it had nothing to do with her friends you mentioned IMO
Claudia had new friends at least ‘new’ as far as her old friends were concerned !
But her old friends quickly put two and two together and sent the police to Manchester within the first ten days of the investigation!
Just like clues to the ending is always in chapter one !
Now could the police investigating the Manchester link had a’missing person investigation cap on ‘? At that early stage ?

PJ3 may I respectfully ask you – you use the word “Obviously” I just see a girl chatting to her parents and then totally disappearing off the face of the earth – what was/is obvious that something was going on with Claudia? Also you say “it had nothing to do with her friends” IYO. How can you feel so sure and which friends do you refer to?

You go on to state that.


“Claudia had new friends at least ‘new’ as far as her old friends were concerned!
But her old friends quickly put two and two together and sent the police to Manchester within the first ten days of the investigation!” did you find this information on msm? Could you direct me to the link please.



Thank you in advance PJ3 for helping me to get to the bottom of this mystery

 

[Blonderabbit]

im not sure if you thought vixey was saying that, but. I. don't think she was implying that Claudius old friends were involved in anything unsettling Claudia seemed to be. getting into
I. think, from what I've read, that its right to say suzy. Cooper was. worried about Claudia and. the. group she. was. with that she. didn't recognise...but I think she was also very tired. and exasperated. by her behaviour...she might not have done what we think to be. the right thing, but those. of us who have had friends with drug problems know its not that easy...im not saying. that. Claudia had drug problems, just that I think she had some kind of problems and that suzy would have been in a similar situation to. me. when a friend injected Ajax into his arm...as. I said, suzy. has no need to feel guilty as far as I know, but. I also know that you always. do feel guilty.
ive no. idea what Claudius other friends knew or thought about developments

I am confused as having looked at this case in depth, I just see an ordinary hard-working girl enjoying her life.



Cortina Can I respectfully ask why you feel Claudia had “some kind of problems”
whist you didn’t categorically state it was drugs, you used it as a reference point



Thank you for your understanding and support in advance

 

[Blonderabbit]

For Sure



What do we know for sure? Claudia Lawrance is missing presumed dead. Her rucksack, mobile phone, chef whites and a pair of hair straighteners are also missing.



Toothbrush on the kitchen drainer, bed made, washing up in the sink, slippers by the front door.



When you look at the above as a package of “missing” without considering anything else – it leads you to believe her intention was to travel to work/on her way to work and something happened.



So why are we stuck in her house considering possible scenarios of how she may have been taken alive or deceased without being seen?



And it hinges on the following.

Cctv of alley way man 7.15pm Wednesday 18th 2009/Alley way man morning 19th March 2009



The lack of routinely communication by an avid texter finishing at 8.23pm on Wednesday 18th March 2009



The almost coincidental activity at the front of her property at 9.01pm on the evening of March 18th 2009 caught on the bus cctv

The fact Claudia was not seen anywhere on March 19th 2009 or ever again

Her failure to start work at 6am on 19th March 2009 without any telephone contact



Killers generally leave bodies in situe – why not just leave her in situe?



Possibilities – she wasn’t at home, she was on her way to work in a car, she was at home but killers DNA would give them/him/her away.



I favour SUV/other vehicle at 9.01pm parked across the pavement caught on bus cctv because it’s statistically the most probable perhaps taken out alive thinking she would attend work the following day, the unfathomable is her phone was connecting locally some 4hrs after she was due to start work at 6am on 19th March 2009 (till 10am) two vehicles arrive, her phone remains local. One day it will all fall into place.

 

[Blonderabbit]

For Sure



What do we know for sure? Claudia Lawrance is missing presumed dead. Her rucksack, mobile phone, chef whites and a pair of hair straighteners are also missing.



Toothbrush on the kitchen drainer, bed made, washing up in the sink, slippers by the front door.



When you look at the above as a package of “missing” without considering anything else – it leads you to believe her intention was to travel to work/on her way to work and something happened.



So why are we stuck in her house considering possible scenarios of how she may have been taken alive or deceased without being seen?



And it hinges on the following.

Cctv of alley way man 7.15pm Wednesday 18th 2009/Alley way man morning 19th March 2009



The lack of routinely communication by an avid texter finishing at 8.23pm on Wednesday 18th March 2009



The almost coincidental activity at the front of her property at 9.01pm on the evening of March 18th 2009 caught on the bus cctv

The fact Claudia was not seen anywhere on March 19th 2009 or ever again

Her failure to start work at 6am on 19th March 2009 without any telephone contact



Killers generally leave bodies in situe – why not just leave her in situe?



Possibilities – she wasn’t at home, she was on her way to work in a car, she was at home but killers DNA would give them/him/her away.



I favour SUV/other vehicle at 9.01pm parked across the pavement caught on bus cctv because it’s statistically the most probable perhaps taken out alive thinking she would attend work the following day, the unfathomable is her phone was connecting locally some 4hrs after she was due to start work at 6am on 19th March 2009 (till 10am) two vehicles arrive, her phone remains local. One day it will all fall into place.

Thinking on, from my previous post - NYP say her phone connected locally some 4hrs after she was due to start work - though it was turned off just after 12pm on the afternoon of the 19th - so reading between the lines it would suggest it wasn’t turned off /run out of charge local. I’m I thinking correctly - feedback please

 

[Popejohn3]

By ‘obviously’ I am referring to probably have new relationships that her friends knew nothing about and again probably got her into trouble through no fault of her own ! Again I’m assuming no stranger abduction,
By friends I’m referring to the ones she often met at the NH

Redirect Notice

The above link tells us within 11 days ? About Claudia’s link with Cubans that lived in Manchester !
Now I believe there was a deliberate play of words ie Brits she met in Cuba but these were actually Cubans
Now I’m not implying they are at fault !

 

[Popejohn3]

Thinking on, from my previous post - NYP say her phone connected locally some 4hrs after she was due to start work - though it was turned off just after 12pm on the afternoon of the 19th - so reading between the lines it would suggest it wasn’t turned off /run out of charge local. I’m I thinking correctly - feedback please

It could have been turned off in transit but still within 9 miles radias

 

[Blonderabbit]

It could have been turned off in transit but still within 9 miles radias

Why 9 miles radius?

 

[Blonderabbit]

By ‘obviously’ I am referring to probably have new relationships that her friends knew nothing about and again probably got her into trouble through no fault of her own ! Again I’m assuming no stranger abduction,
By friends I’m referring to the ones she often met at the NH

Redirect Notice

The above link tells us within 11 days ? About Claudia’s link with Cubans that lived in Manchester !
Now I believe there was a deliberate play of words ie Brits she met in Cuba but these were actually Cubans
Now I’m not implying they are at fault !

Thank you for the clarification, it’s much appreciated, are you being specific when you say the ones she often met at the nags head?
(By friends)

 

[Popejohn3]

Why 9 miles radius?

I believe it pinged from the university mast and they said in a possible triangle of 8 /9 miles
I’m no expert

 

[Blonderabbit]

I believe it pinged from the university mast and they said in a possible triangle of 8 /9 miles
I’m no expert

Claudia Lawrence's phone was on four hours after she failed to show up to work

The phone was switched off two hours later on the day she vanished 10 years ago.

metro.co.uk

It also shows the suv parked across the pavement

 

[susie sixpence]

Claudia Lawrence's phone was on four hours after she failed to show up to work

The phone was switched off two hours later on the day she vanished 10 years ago.

metro.co.uk

It also shows the suv parked across the pavement

I don't know where the bus runs. Do you know the route the bus CCTV video shows? Could you possibly mark it on a map?

 

[Blonderabbit]

I don't know where the bus runs. Do you know the route the bus CCTV video shows? Could you possibly mark it on a map?

The bus cctv shown in conjunction with Claudias disappearance - turns left into Heworth road travelling north - passing Claudias on the left. Beyond those points I have no idea

 

[Pinkizzy]

The bus cctv shown in conjunction with Claudias disappearance - turns left into Heworth road travelling north - passing Claudias on the left. Beyond those points I have no idea

I think its going to Scarborough (from Leeds)

 

[shadwell]

I believe it pinged from the university mast and they said in a possible triangle of 8 /9 miles
I’m no expert

Sounds about right. The uni mast is made up of three focused antennae, each covering a 120 degree angle. Assuming the antennae are sufficiently powerful, the signal from a 15 metre mast would be interrupted by the horizon at about 8.5 miles.

Distance to the Horizon Calculator

 

[shadwell]

A piece on cell tower (mobile mast) triangulation and the limitations of a single tower signal:

Cell Tower Triangulation – How it Works

First, I refer you to Martin Yant’s earlier post on this subject: The post makes the point that data from a single cell tower is essentially worthless in trying to place someone in a partic…

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