UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #18

[Popejohn3]

Agree

Thought provoking for sure, it’s a confusing couple of images. I see (and this is my opinion) a man in both morning and night on his own. I have put the footage under the microscope of Adobe - there’s only 1 person and whilst there are times as stills it looks feminine - when you look at the moving image as whole it’s a man - the same man. A man in his fifties - is a fair description. It’s not JK. Though it wouldn’t surprise me to learn she was present when whatever happened, Happened

A man in his fifties !

 

[Blonderabbit]

Well by not disclosing some info looks like they let him off any way !
And what about releasing the clip of allyway so so late in the investigation?
What reason could they have had go not releasing it early ?

Hi Pj3 hope you’ve had a restful weekend and are looking forward to the big day ! NYP had/have a strategy - 1000’s of statements were taken, from “Heworthians” and beyond - regards this horrendous crime. They have a case which was presented to the CPS - you can’t present nothing. NYP have I’d say a good percentage of what’s needed - yes - a body may give them additional info that they need. Personally I feel there’s little or no chance if that. So really either someone stumbles across something which brings the case to court, or someone decides they can no longer carry the guilt, or someone feels brave - or a combination.

I do feel like Websleuths are making ground and you never know someone may feel they can anonymously be honest here and give that bit of info which is needed. Instead of explaining it under the scrutiny of NYP and of course face the potential repercussions

 

[Tri-Lambda delta]

Thought provoking for sure, it’s a confusing couple of images. I see (and this is my opinion) a man in both morning and night on his own. I have put the footage under the microscope of Adobe - there’s only 1 person and whilst there are times as stills it looks feminine - when you look at the moving image as whole it’s a man - the same man. A man in his fifties - is a fair description. It’s not JK. Though it wouldn’t surprise me to learn she was present when whatever happened, Happened

When you watch the released footage - ie that released by the Police - the footage jumps many frames - And YES... even i myself years ago presumed there was only one tall person (only because I assumed such after being told so). The TRUTH is in the footage. The story is there. Undo the false assumptions and watch it again. Two people are there... so close...held... one being dragged. The shadows of 2 figures are darker when there are 2 shadows overlapping. One figure casts a smaller (not as dark shadow). Two figures (real close) move to the right alley. One figure returns (moving left) and is met by a woman before the corner. Ever frame containing the same walking figure is an assumption. The figure is NOT as tall as one presumes. The figure is bent over at some places - dragging the other figure. It is the the background that provides fake head shapes where one presumes a head should be. Again.... the figure is not as tall as one would presume.

 

[Popejohn3]

When you watch the released footage - ie that released by the Police - the footage jumps many frames - And YES... even i myself years ago presumed there was only one tall person (only because I assumed such after being told so). The TRUTH is in the footage. The story is there. Undo the false assumptions and watch it again. Two people are there... so close...held... one being dragged. The shadows of 2 figures are darker when there are 2 shadows overlapping. One figure casts a smaller (not as dark shadow). Two figures (real close) move to the right alley. One figure returns (moving left) and is met by a woman before the corner. Ever frame containing the same walking figure is an assumption. The figure is NOT as tall as one presumes. The figure is bent over at some places - dragging the other figure. It is the the background that provides fake head shapes where one presumes a head should be. Again.... the figure is not as tall as one would presume.

If you right the police would know this yes ?
I don’t think one should watch a ‘movie ‘ frame by frame

 

[An_Owl]

I think if you evaluate it in “theory” take her phone as not having left Heworth till 10am. She’s not at home. Looks like she’s left in a rush - pots in the sink, toothbrush on the kitchen drainer (but bed made) she can’t have travelled far. It must be an option to travel north south east and west from Claudia home and establish how far you have to move to connect to a different sector. Then you’d find where - then it’s just when. 6am there’s no call from her, 8.23pm on the 18th is your last text - there’s your window. She must have been put in a vehicle at some point - when? The suv parked across the pavement at 9.01pm on the 18th has to be a favourite - did it just park up in Heworth and then the following morning move. She could have been in a boot - upon disposal the perp found her phone and switched it off

The reason we know that vehicles were parked in Heworth Road around 9pm that evening is because of CCTV from passing buses.

I know nothing of the bus timetables for Heworth Road, but if there were buses using the route after that time then I would have assumed that their CCTV was scanned for the period 9-11pm to understand if said vehicles remained parked or not.

MajorLang wrote something about this on his long Medium-hosted brain dump of this case two or three years ago.

FWIW I’ve long thought the most striking evidence from the 24 hours or so around the time of her disappearance was the allegation that bed furnishings were moved out of a B&B room at the Nags Head on the morning of the 19th. IMO that sounds very suspicious.

 

[Raffy]

FWIW I’ve long thought the most striking evidence from the 24 hours or so around the time of her disappearance was the allegation that bed furnishings were moved out of a B&B room at the Nags Head on the morning of the 19th. IMO that sounds very suspicious.

It does sound very suspicious and i'm surprised more isn't being made of it.

 

[Blonderabbit]

It does sound very suspicious and i'm surprised more isn't being made of it.

We know the police took away a mattress with a blood stain. It sounds like they throughly searched the nags. You need more meat on the bone - it takes time to evaluate this “alleged” piece of potential evidence with what we know to be true - does it sit with it or is it in contradiction? The knee jerk thought is - Claudia was attacked there. Though you could also think that the attacker slept there and Claudia was attacked elsewhere. For the moment though - we need to know where this allegation originates. Where’s the proof?

 

[FromGermany1]

Agree

A man in his fifties !

The exact loot scheme as most times?
When I'm thinking of RC to be involved, I maybe wrong: he wasn't married or in a relationship, afaik.One criterion, that did not apply. Wouldn't have made him less dangerous for whatever reasons. IMO

 

[Popejohn3]

When you watch the released footage - ie that released by the Police - the footage jumps many frames - And YES... even i myself years ago presumed there was only one tall person (only because I assumed such after being told so). The TRUTH is in the footage. The story is there. Undo the false assumptions and watch it again. Two people are there... so close...held... one being dragged. The shadows of 2 figures are darker when there are 2 shadows overlapping. One figure casts a smaller (not as dark shadow). Two figures (real close) move to the right alley. One figure returns (moving left) and is met by a woman before the corner. Ever frame containing the same walking figure is an assumption. The figure is NOT as tall as one presumes. The figure is bent over at some places - dragging the other figure. It is the the background that provides fake head shapes where one presumes a head should be. Again.... the figure is not as tall as one would presume.

Sorry Dup

 

[cortina]

Hi Cortina, hope you’re having a nice weekend! What evidence do you have that it wasn’t planned? Thank you

ello....sorry, my post wasn't very clear.

I. do think the attack was carefully planned, which is a contributing factor to my thinking that it had nothing to do with. Claudius love life, except insofar that she. had. maybe had had or. was having, an affair with someone who had. crossed. the local county lines gang and she was killed. because she was shielding him or was seen as. a traitor...maybe one of or more of her local friends were forced to take part or. even to act as. executioner as a punishment for failing to keep an eye on her or as a way. to ensure their silence by. implicating them in it.

I. don't pretend to know who physically killed her or who gave the order. or who. was actually. involved.

obviously, it. matters that her killer should be. found and. brought to justice and her life and. death mattered....but lets not forget. that this is just part of that horrible county. lines scene and that whoever is responsible for. her death. is responsible for hundreds more.....most. of them more tortuous...as well as. years of suffering of. their families and the enslavement of lots of small fry in the chain...this isn't. the same. as a quick smoke. of pot behind the woodshed

 

[FromGermany1]

ello....sorry, my post wasn't very clear.

I. do think the attack was carefully planned, which is a contributing factor to my thinking that it had nothing to do with. Claudius love life, except insofar that she. had. maybe had had or. was having, an affair with someone who had. crossed. the local county lines gang and she was killed. because she was shielding him or was seen as. a traitor...maybe one of or more of her local friends were forced to take part or. even to act as. executioner as a punishment for failing to keep an eye on her or as a way. to ensure their silence by. implicating them in it.

I. don't pretend to know who physically killed her or who gave the order. or who. was actually. involved.

obviously, it. matters that her killer should be. found and. brought to justice and her life and. death mattered....but lets not forget. that this is just part of that horrible county. lines scene and that whoever is responsible for. her death. is responsible for hundreds more.....most. of them more tortuous...as well as. years of suffering of. their families and the enslavement of lots of small fry in the chain...this isn't. the same. as a quick smoke. of pot behind the woodshed

Wouldn't her father PL, as an ex defense attorney, have tried to protect her? How could he have done that?

 

[cortina]

I don't pretend d

Wouldn't her father PL, as an ex defense attorney, have tried to protect her? How could he have d

Wouldn't her father PL, as an ex defense attorney, have tried to protect her? How could he have done that?

sorry....quoted twice in. error.
well, I don't think he. really knew. what was going on to. that extent and she obviously didn't se

Wouldn't her father PL, as an ex defense attorney, have tried to protect her? How could he have done that?

sorry....

 

[cortina]

Wouldn't her father PL, as an ex defense attorney, have tried to protect her? How could he have done that?

I think he had a bit of a naive attitude to the people she was involved with...and she wouldn't. have told him that shed been having. close contact. with someone local drugs dealers would have treated with violence.

I really don't think he'd have been any match for the. absolutely. ruthless gangs who hide in the shadows behind your local friendly. dope seller

 

[Popejohn3]

Wouldn't her father PL, as an ex defense attorney, have tried to protect her? How could he have done that?

Hmm her father was a prosecutor for the police not defence

 

[Raffy]

We know the police took away a mattress with a blood stain.

The police didn't take away the mattress, they took a mattress protector and sheet.

Police dog team seize bed sheets 'with speck of blood' from missing chef Claudia Lawrence's local pub

Thirteen officers with two specialist search dogs spent six-and-a-half hours working through every part of the Nag's Head in York, including the five guest bedrooms.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Raffy]

I know nothing of the bus timetables for Heworth Road, but if there were buses using the route after that time then I would have assumed that their CCTV was scanned for the period 9-11pm to understand if said vehicles remained parked or not.

The truck was seen driving out of the area at 9.37pm that night.

Missing chef Claudia Lawrence: Police appeal for mystery truck driver

Police hunting missing chef Claudia Lawrence want to trace the driver of a truck that was parked outside her home as she received her last text.

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[cortina]

just wanted to say...though it doesn't really matter...that. I'm not as miserable. devil as I. seem.
im all in favour of a bit of happy intoxication for. those who. can handle it....but. that's not really the issue here

 

[cortina]

I know it doesn't help matters and maybe it goes against the grain, but I do have some. sympathy with at least some of those I believe to be keeping quiet. about what they. know.

many years ago and long before I met them a friend was given the hint to. stay away from a particular. area on a particular evening....no reasons given, but. the headlines in the newspapers the next day told their own story....that particular matter has been dealt with with the passage of time, but. they never did go. to the authorities....theyre nice, and law abiding and , as I believe to be so in this case, they. were afraid of being pursued by. a. group. of ruthless and organised killers.

I hope what happened to Claudia has reformed...if that's the right word...some of the local rogues...I cant condone their activities but I cant sit here and swear that, if id known something, id definitely have told the. police

 

[Blonderabbit]

If you've ever been in your average old mans local, the kind of place split into two The Lounge and then the bar where the old nags drink, awaiting the knackers yard. You will already I'm sure be conjuring up images of sedate drinking, a bit of chit chat, a game of dominoes etc. Was this an average night in the Nags Head?

 

[Woodburnbay]

I have created composites of the 'movement' in the footage and pointed out what I see from studying figure movement and shadows. I see something more complex than simply a person walking to an alley and back. On the return-journey one frame/one suspect caught my eye. I'm only saying what I see and deduce.

Can you confirm if this as the evening or morning cctv?
Can you also provide more information on the shirt that you saw this person wearing (Check) ands this worn by alley man or person you say aleyman was shielding??