UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #3

[Officer Dibble]

Here is a moving version. If you look around 2m 34s you will see the person in what looks like white/light jeans and a white shirt. It looks like a small male [imo] based on build, clothing and how he walks with hands in pockets - but could be a female. The silver car appears to slow and the figure heads towards it with purpose, so I assume is being picked up. The car is going away from the university towards Heworth and the person is on the opposite side to the pavement CL used on her way home on the 18th March.
Check out the character coming towards the camera at 2m 20s. Is that a left handed smoker wearing a hoodie?
Last known movements of Claudia Lawrence

well spotted re left handed smoker

 

[Officer Dibble]

No, I can see it. Have you got enough memory on your phone?

not sure. thanks.

 

[Yozzer]

I always thought, JK had much to lose, if CL got in her (and lover's) way .....

That's an interesting comment @FromGermany . Would you be able to explain in more detail, without compromising yourself obviously?

 

[Yozzer]

I learnt quite a few things here, especially the consistency of alcohol. It mentions she was turning from Cider to Vodka. Could the answer to her disappearance be simple? Could she have been at a lock in (amongst the regulars), got drunk, put into a bed at the pub, vomited and choked on her vomit and those known to her panicked about the implications, rather than own up, panicked and disposed of her, all agreeing not to spill the beans? Could it be that simple? Just my own opinion.

@Officer Dibble That's a very logical hypothesis. How could it be proved do you think? Just through a confession I guess.

 

[Thelastleg]

The attached image I believe shows a car that was seen a few times by the post office
It was also seen the day of 19th
As we know that Claudia didn't walk to work as she wasn't seen on camera-This shot looks like Claudia walking to work on a previous day and shows what looks to be Claudia?

Comments please

Hope you had an informative trip to York. I don't think this is Claudia because imo hair is too short and white trousers, boots aren't very practically for walking to work. Why is this photo dated 25th March?

 

[MajorLang]

Hope you had an informative trip to York. I don't think this is Claudia because imo hair is too short and white trousers, boots aren't very practically for walking to work. Why is this photo dated 25th March?

Yes it's not Claudia
The car was seen in same area on 19th
This is what was seen on 25th a week later

 

[Nikynoo]

Thanks @Mind your biscuits But I was thinking more of an Agatha Christie type vacation to the Heworth area? If I find myself in the local hostelry what questions should I ask?

@MajorLang - I would like photos of the car park and rear of the Nags Head, the gardens backing onto the alley way and a map that shows the same. Investigate whether the exit from back garden can be made either through Limes Court or the alleyway or both. Does the alleyway give access to the rear of the Nags Head (or anywhere else). Thank you and have a safe trip

 

[Nikynoo]

Revealed: Missing chef Claudia's '40 different men' | Daily Mail Online

Who is this friend?

Indeed, who is this and have they been interviewed by the police? How credible is this 'friend'? Does anyone elses 'hinky metre' go off reading this?

 

[MajorLang]

@MajorLang - I would like photos of the car park and rear of the Nags Head, the gardens backing onto the alley way and a map that shows the same. Investigate whether the exit from back garden can be made either through Limes Court or the alleyway or both. Does the alleyway give access to the rear of the Nags Head (or anywhere else). Thank you and have a safe trip

Its changed since 2009 and there is no longer access but there was

 

[Nikynoo]

Its changed since 2009 and there is no longer access but there was

Perhaps investigate where the access was, where it lead to and why the access is no longer there?

 

[Nikynoo]

@MajorLang I had forgotten about this book [Gone: the disappearance of Claudia Lawrence.... BY Neil Root] (its on my reading list), lots of information here: - Gone

 

[Deleted member 102539]

That's an interesting comment @FromGermany . Would you be able to explain in more detail, without compromising yourself obviously?

Young and with a wealthy lover and a common nice home AFAIK, JK had some future, which she would have liked very much, I think. CL did know him well (Nag's) and maybe, one day she had her usual ambitions towards him, who knows. "Just for fun", as she had told a male friend (re targeted men in a relationship), but JK's fun wouldn't it have been at all, certainly. - No facts, only my assumptions since time ago.

 

[Nikynoo]

Young and with a wealthy lover and a common nice home AFAIK, JK had some future, which she would have liked very much, I think. CL did know him well (Nag's) and maybe, one day she had her usual ambitions towards him, who knows. "Just for fun", as she had told a male friend (re targeted men in a relationship), but JK's fun wouldn't it have been at all, certainly. - No facts, only my assumptions since time ago.

I Know where you're coming from and initially thats what I thought too, but I've changed my mind.....

 

[Yozzer]

I Know where you're coming from and initially thats what I thought too, but I've changed my mind.....

That's an interesting comment @Nikynoo . Would you be able to explain in more detail, without compromising yourself obviously?

 

[Nikynoo]

That's an interesting comment @Nikynoo . Would you be able to explain in more detail, without compromising yourself obviously?

I think its a number of things. I've gone back and read articles that were written quite soon after Claudia went missing. I really don't think its related to the Nag's Head. I'm going to read more and hopefully will be able to confirm my view.

 

[MajorLang]

Perhaps investigate where the access was, where it lead to and why the access is no longer there?

Ok
If you look at Google
The alleyway has now been paved over and a fence erected at the end.
I would expect that police did that after their search in 2015.

If I bump I. To Mr PR of Miss JK I will ask them.

 

[MajorLang]

All. I have just had a post taken down because the following words were in attached pictorial form. It is my summary of Who was Claudia.
I post it in written format for all to see:

About Claudia

Prior to moving to Heworth, Claudia had a house in Malton but her long term Married lover ,Mr McGinty of 8 years didn't move in with her and she always suspected that he was cheating on her. This caused her to come to work sometimes in tears.

She was fantastic at her job and a really hard working person. She didn’t like to go front of house as a chef because sometimes Girls from Malton were there and it was aleged that she was not very popular in Malton.

Claudia had a wide circle of friends as well as a smaller close(d) group. Much of her socialising but not all, was centred around the Nags Head public house and if she was out drinking, almost always she would return there that night as there were lock-inns until 3–4 in the morning.

A very close friend and work colleague of 8 years described Claudia as follows:

“The answer to Claudias behaviour lay in her drinking, she was a lovely girl but when drunk, other girls didn’t like her. She could drink six or seven pints of cider a night but had started to drink Vodka and if you asked her out for a drink she would never say no. Claudia Became reckless with drink.

She was always secretive always texting and this came across to some as rather rude and insensitive. She could be immature and bitchy and pull faces behind peoples backs”

This was most likely to be the drink “Talking” as Suzy Cooper explained:

“If Claudia had a worry, it was wanting to be liked and worrying what other people thought of her, especially what she might have said the night before and She would worry the next day, saying-‘Oh no, what did I say?’”

Claudia took holidays in Cyprus and Greece and made friends easily when in Cyprus. Visiting Cyprus at least 10 times?

What we have learnt so far is that she did not spend every night at Nags Head and varied between nights out in York City centre, with Jen and Suzy. More of a girly night out.

Sometimes Claudia would have a “Boys” night out and on a few occasions taxis would be booked to arrive at the nags Head and 8 people would go off somewhere. On these occasions, Jen and Suzy didn’t come along.

There was also a suggestion that Claudia was seeing a Police Officer and they would meet at The Carlton Arms which was next door to the Police station in Acomb, an area where her Mobile had indicated that she was spending allot of time the few weeks before she went missing, hence the suspicion.

Were people unhappy with what she may have relayed to him? Could this have been a motive and another reason why Police responded to a missing person report so promptly and with such force?

It is also suggested that Claudia would meet others in the city centre or another pub in Acomb. Away from the prying ears eyes of the Nags Head.

One particular Pub-The Acomb was a frequent haunt of Claudia and it was alleged that she would go there, sometimes with a colleague from work.

The Landlord of this pub in Acomb’s Kingsway West-Paul Harris (Then 46) was arrested on suspicion of perverting the course of justice in July 2014 and excavations of the pub were then made by police.



There does appear to be a side of her that she wanted to hide, even from her close male and female friends.

Perhaps she didnt want to introduce other friends to the Nags and so socialised sometimes further afield?

In the early stages of the investigation the police were accused of portraying Claudia in a less than complimentary light. They wanted to reveal what they knew but many, including her Parents, sister and friends were upset by the revelations. Claudia was portrayed as having Complex relationships” Hurtful to some but comes with a degree of truth and whilst like most parents, they may not wish to admit to knowing some of her behaviours. There was far more that they genuinely didn't know about.

Due to these early police statements portraying Claudia in not such a gentle light: others who were more perceptive have feared to tread and identify in more detail Claudia's full personality for fear of her “well connected” parents and their reaction?

Claudia’s Mother Joan had said:

“Superintendent Galloway had never been back and was not welcome”.

She told me she would like to have him removed from the inquiry. Police had her daughter all wrong. “They seem to think because she was beautiful she had affairs. They could not accept she could have just friends. She had too much self-respect to go with men she knew were married”.

Whilst in Malton, Claudia was seeing a married man for 10 years, this was common knowledge in the town.

Was her Mum naive and did Galloway do the right thing in portraying a more accurate account of Claudia than that of the one her Mother seemed to know?

It seems however that Mrs Lawrence had her way and Galloway was removed from the enquiry and ultimately a very experienced Police Officer retired the force.

Claudia’s father who was far more realistic and said:

“As her dad, I don’t expect to know everything.”

It is not unusual in families for parents and sister to be unaware of the relationship side of a loved ones life-Few tell their parents about their sex life and relationships particularly if it was known how they would react?

It is now clear that Claudias Dad and friends had a more accurate measure of Claudia than her Mum.

Insecurity

Claudia had her insecurities we can see from the way that she was planning a holiday with 3 friends at the same time and not neccesarily sharing these plans openly with the others in a “Plenary” fashion that she set out to please everyone and possibly there would besome untruths in what she said to people?

At some point in time this would have created friction but hardly sufficient to be a motive for murder.

A previous boyfriend of Claudia's described her as “Boisterous and fun-loving on the surface, she was also shy, lonely and a kind, beautiful girl who was desperate to be loved,”

“There was a very romantic side to her, which made her naive about men, more naive than you’d expect for a woman of her age.

“She was quite gullible in fact. And that’s the concern. A previous long term relationship with an older married man that ended after 10 Years made her vulnerable.”

Claudia was a different person when she had been drinking. “If she didn’t like someone she would snarl at them and it could get her into trouble.”

Another who knew Claudia well describes her:

“While there was a naive side to Claudia she seemed pretty switched on about some people too. The more unpleasant a person seemed the more guarded she became. I believe she would have had an instinctive sense that something was going to happen”

Money did not appear to be the motivator for Claudia. She worked hard to buy her house and appeared to live within her means.

Whatever her parents wish to convey, Claudia liked older married men of a working class background, both as friends and lovers. Once she had proved a point to herself with a married man the relationship was likely to have ended, this did demonstrate her controlling nature.

Almost a middle class Lady Chatterly

Was claudia a modern day spinster with a penchant for older attached wealthy Men?

n addition to Claudia’s known relationships, including a couple of long-term associations with married men, the police have identified up to 10 of a suspected 40 Men Claudia had been involved with whose existence was entirely unknown to anyone else in her world. They were mostly short-term relationships, some with married men, some not. Some took a long time for the police to trace, and not all were initially willing to admit they’d had a sexual relationship with Claudia.



Some were surprised that a woman as attractive as Claudia had chosen them. It had been their lucky day. Most became known to the police through Claudia’s telephone history.

She had not shown any interest in developing a longer-term relationship with these men.

Only the relationship with “Paddy McGinty, the married man from Malton was of a long standing. Perhaps being burnt after 8 years she decided to be with someone closer to her own age?

Relationships with younger men were often away from Heworth and appear to be short lived and possibly one night stands.



It could be that one of her relationships was with an older man who had a long standing partner? This could have been Claudias “Step too far” Particularly if this relationship was “close to home” and she knew them both well?



The Many Lives of Claudia Lawrence

• The one her parents were aware of

2. The life that she lived within the close community of the Nags Head

3. The “At distant” meetings away from the prying eyes of the Nags Head friends and regulars

4. The Holiday Claudia, known to meet men on her own in Coral Bay, Cyprus and Cuba

5. Her working life

6. The Alcohol Infused Claudia

It was so strange that when she went missing that there was no comment published from her Employer / Manager or work colleagues… Was this corporate reputational risk at its worst? So unusual…..

Many of us have different lives and secrets and I have to concur; based upon the information thus far, with Superintendent Galloway that Claudia had “A complex” and secretive private life with a succession of different men.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Revealed: Missing chef Claudia's '40 different men' | Daily Mail Online

Who is this friend?

I remember, the friend being MS (59) and he told the story with CL, sitting and crying on the sidewalk after a night out. Am I wrong?

 

[MajorLang]

I remember, the friend being MS (59) and he told the story with CL, sitting and crying on the sidewalk after a night out. Am I wrong?

Michael Snelling was under suspicion for some time and they searched his Mothers house in newcastle at one point. Not sure if it was him-i dont think Claudia would have described Michael as a "Best Friend"? I could be wrong @FromGermany

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Michael Snelling was under suspicion for some time and they searched his Mothers house in newcastle at one point. Not sure if it was him-i dont think Claudia would have desscribed Michael as a "Best Friend"? I could be worng @FromGermany

Okay, I will search for it, although it will be exhausting.
For now, this one:
Mr Snelling is believed to have been a lab technician at the York University college where Claudia worked before becoming project coordinator at the mental health charity Mind in the city.
Claudia Lawrence probe: Suspect Michael Snelling described as 'devoted son'

Now I'm going to search for the sidewalk-thing ......