UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #3

[RachelZachary]

Claudia lived in Malton before YO31 and is listed there between 2002/2003 (open records on internet).
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Was she in a relationship with the person listed as living there too?

 

[MajorLang]

Thought for the day-Attached

 

[Officer Dibble]

@Officer Dibble That's a very logical hypothesis. How could it be proved do you think? Just through a confession I guess.

I just know that my own adult daughter will intend on staying in then suddenly middle or late evening declare she is going down the pub. Totally confuses us as we were lead to believe she wasn't going out. When we ask why, she just says she wants to get out and get some company. My daughter also lives for socialising and going out and if going out is not on the cards she likes to frequent the pub, hoping to bump into local people to socialise with. She is a very very sociable person and goes out at peculiar times and on the spur of the minute. She is out of the house more than she is in. She seems to need a fix of socialising and that is her main way of living - to socialise. So I was just looking at it from my own 'experience' of thinking my daughter is staying in for the evening and then being confused when much later on she has a change of heart.

Also from a different point of view, was there a TV in the room at the pub where the mattress was alleged (?) to have been taken out? CL mum stated she could hear the same TV programme on in the background.

 

[RachelZachary]

I am a bit of a cynic but I’m not the only one to feel negative and have doubts about the police and the way they conducted the investigation.

Are the people suspected really this clever? It looks like a perfect murder/crime.

 

[Officer Dibble]

I remember, the friend being MS (59) and he told the story with CL, sitting and crying on the sidewalk after a night out. Am I wrong?

I'd like to know more about this too.

 

[Yozzer]

I think the public would have been better informed with a more thorough picture of Claudia and her life. I don’t have much trust in all the people that we know were around her in 2009. But that doesn’t mean there weren’t others. Were Jen and Suzy pushed forward into the limelight for a reason? Wouldn’t more friends want to help? I know I would if she was my friend. The people on the CCTV could have been from any point in her life? Did the police manage to trace everyone in her phone? They’ve not had much luck with anything else. I’d love to know who they think murdered her.

I think we have to look at Claudia's age (35) and imagine that many of her peers would have married, started families, maybe moved away from the area.
It's good to see Liz stood by her and will have been interviewed by police due to her contact the night before & long standing friendship, offering an alternative perspective of Claudia.
Here's a link from March 2009 with Liz interviewed in The Spotted Cow pub, Malton "where Miss Lawrence would often visit to catch up with friends and enjoy a drink". She describes her "mental turmoil she was enduring"

Claudia Lawrence case appears on Crimewatch

 

[MajorLang]

I just know that my own adult daughter will intend on staying in then suddenly middle or late evening declare she is going down the pub. Totally confuses us as we were lead to believe she wasn't going out. When we ask why, she just says she wants to get out and get some company. My daughter also lives for socialising and going out and if going out is not on the cards she likes to frequent the pub, hoping to bump into local people to socialise with. She is a very very sociable person and goes out at peculiar times and on the spur of the minute. She is out of the house more than she is in. She seems to need a fix of socialising and that is her main way of living - to socialise. So I was just looking at it from my own 'experience' of thinking my daughter is staying in for the evening and then being confused when much later on she has a change of heart.

Also from a different point of view, was there a TV in the room at the pub where the mattress was alleged (?) to have been taken out? CL mum stated she could hear the same TV programme on in the background.

Worth checking on Tripadvisor or bookings.com @Officer Dibble

 

[MajorLang]

I am a bit of a cynic but I’m not the only one to feel negative and have doubts about the police and the way they conducted the investigation.

Are the people suspected really this clever? It looks like a perfect murder/crime.

@RachelZachary Hi Rachel, Have you read "Secret History by Donna Tarte". Bit of a modern classic about friends at a US redbrick Uni ad one goes missing? Very similar undertones and whilst it wasnt planned it became perfect.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I'd like to know more about this too.

As I feared: nothing found yet, sorry.
I own the e-book "Gone", but had no time to read it. So I also didn't find anything about A. Newby, Google wasn't my friend today.

 

[Yozzer]

Was she in a relationship with the person listed as living there too?

I don't know for sure - but if you click on his name, the dates don't start at that address until 2008, so I would suspect not.

 

[RachelZachary]

"where Miss Lawrence would often visit to catch up with friends and enjoy a drink".
Claudia Lawrence case appears on Crimewatch

So she did ‘often’ go back Malton and meet people there? I definitely see your point with the age thing, if a lot of her friends had settled down that could explain why she ended up hanging around more with older men, Suzy (older woman) and Jen (younger woman, but also like Claudia seemed to like older men).

Although, I think statistically women in York settle down later in life. Is that the case too of women who attended private schools?

 

[RachelZachary]

@RachelZachary Hi Rachel, Have you read "Secret History by Donna Tarte". Bit of a modern classic about friends at a US redbrick Uni ad one goes missing? Very similar undertones and whilst it wasnt planned it became perfect.

Thank you MajorLang, I’ll definitely look that up.

 

[MajorLang]

As I feared: nothing found yet, sorry.
I own the e-book "Gone", but had no time to read it. So I also didn't find anything about A. Newby, Google wasn't my friend today.

I read Gone. It took me about 3 hours which is a record for me and it felt like a Oeter Lawrence Propaganda sheet and at the time there was enough of that being pushed out by Peters buddy who took over as the marketing machinery.
If you think Super Galloway was one sided then this matches it

 

[Yozzer]

I just know that my own adult daughter will intend on staying in then suddenly middle or late evening declare she is going down the pub. Totally confuses us as we were lead to believe she wasn't going out. When we ask why, she just says she wants to get out and get some company. My daughter also lives for socialising and going out and if going out is not on the cards she likes to frequent the pub, hoping to bump into local people to socialise with. She is a very very sociable person and goes out at peculiar times and on the spur of the minute. She is out of the house more than she is in. She seems to need a fix of socialising and that is her main way of living - to socialise. So I was just looking at it from my own 'experience' of thinking my daughter is staying in for the evening and then being confused when much later on she has a change of heart.

Also from a different point of view, was there a TV in the room at the pub where the mattress was alleged (?) to have been taken out? CL mum stated she could hear the same TV programme on in the background.

Yes as a parent I've been there too! You make a good case.
My take on Claudia is that she went to an old-fashioned, all girls school (not sure if it was a day school or boarding?) so would have had limited contact with, or experience of, boys. She chose to leave home at 16 and by 18 was in a very adult, long term relationship. I believe her lifestyle was influenced by her years of having worked as a chef in the licensing trade coupled with a need to catch up on her many 'lost years' with PMcG when most of her peers were out and about enjoying their single lives.

 

[MajorLang]

So she did ‘often’ go back Malton and meet people there? I definitely see your point with the age thing, if a lot of her friends had settled down that could explain why she ended up hanging around more with older men, Suzy (older woman) and Jen (younger woman, but also like Claudia seemed to like older men).

Although, I think statistically women in York settle down later in life. Is that the case too of women who attended private schools?

Is it not because many women from private schools go on to high powered jobs that require a later settle down factor

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I am a bit of a cynic but I’m not the only one to feel negative and have doubts about the police and the way they conducted the investigation.

Are the people suspected really this clever? It looks like a perfect murder/crime.

What, if the responsible person knew of CL's many, many acquaintances and knew, that this lot of "suspects" (angry, jealous men/jealous, wounded female partners) would be muddying the waters forever. Professionals would know. From a professional point of view a conviction (even of an innocent person) would be nearly impossible, probably.

 

[RachelZachary]

I wonder if in the future we’ll all be required to be electronically tagged like animals..

 

[MajorLang]

I wonder if in the future we’ll all be required to be electronically tagged like animals..

Strange statement but had there been the data available then that we have now then we may have a result. Not that I'm in favour of How Cambridge Analytica and mainly Zukernerd at Facebook has tried to conquer the world.

 

[Pinkizzy]

I think we have to look at Claudia's age (35) and imagine that many of her peers would have married, started families, maybe moved away from the area.
It's good to see Liz stood by her and will have been interviewed by police due to her contact the night before & long standing friendship, offering an alternative perspective of Claudia.
Here's a link from March 2009 with Liz interviewed in The Spotted Cow pub, Malton "where Miss Lawrence would often visit to catch up with friends and enjoy a drink". She describes her "mental turmoil she was enduring"

Claudia Lawrence case appears on Crimewatch

She met Patrick McGinty here when she was 18

 

[MajorLang]

She met Patrick McGinty here when she was 18

Did she start the affair at that age? I thought it was when she was older ?