UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #3

[MajorLang]

O/T, but interesting, IMO. Hopefully it won't last for 50 years until someone finally is speaking up in case Claudia ....
March 2018
Five decades after woman disappears, skeletal remains found under married police officer’s home
Police in New York believe they’ve found the remains of a woman missing since 1966 under the Long Island home of her then-boyfriend—a married policeman.
Louise Pietrewicz, 38, vanished without a trace in October 1966. The Cutchogue woman was raising an 11-year-old daughter at the time of her disappearance.
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When Pietrewicz first disappeared, suspicion had fallen upon her estranged husband as somehow involved.
Meanwhile, Boken reportedly quit the force and left his family shortly after Pietrewicz vanished.
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“If you keep it up, you will end up in the basement with the other b***h,” he allegedly told her.

Claudia didn't have a basement

 

[MajorLang]

I have updated my Blog and have also included a "Time and Date of Update" for those that have already read this and need to check if there is any new info.

What I am finding is that there are many excellent accounts and descriptions of what may have happened on here but due to the length of the threads and that we are now onto thread #3 that we may miss stuff or go over things more than once.

To bring information together I have placed it all here:

Claudia Lawrence-Who Took Her? Who was She?


More importantly, when updating and reviewing today. There were some facts that stood out from the lead up to the arrests in 2014.
Here is that summary for your consideration:

Summarising the lead up to and the arrests

It is only when you look at how the police behaved over a concentrated period of time that you gain clues to what they are actualy doing and thinking.

We appreciate that the Police have to protect evidence for future prosecution but here is what we know so far:

2014

Police discover new fingerprint evidence and possible DNA from Claudias house

They rule out Michael Snelling from their enquiries

They start to look at any evidence that Taxi drivers can provide

Pail Harris, landlord of the Acomb is arrested following his wife providing new evidence to Police, Paul is considered for charges regarding “perverting the course of Justice” It is clear here that he has not provided police with a full account of what he knew.

The evening CCTV footage appears to implicate Alistair Cooper and police drop any charges against Paul Harris after he provides them with helpful information. The footage sparks a search of the alleyway and is likely to have come from CCTV cameras showing footage not revealed to the public.

The search of Alleyway, the help from Paul Harris and the earlier arrest of Alistair Cooper add to the evidence build to enable the Police to then arrest Peter Ruane, Shane Ruane, his Brother and David Robinson.

We know that Shane was not a regular at the Nags Head and so he is implicated either because he was Pete Ruanes brother and assisted in some way, perhaps as a Locksmith?
Did he allow the perps to access Claudias house after the initial Police searcha dn to remove key evidence?
We also know that David Robinson, whilst a regular at The Nags Head, used to drink in the sports bar area and away from Claudia and her friends.

This tells us that Paul Harris, the CCTV footage and the alleyway search helped to build a case towrds the arrest of the other 3.

We know that the Nags Head was free of B&B guests that night and the live in Chef was on holiday and a likely lock in that would involve more than just Claudia and her friends but any that were also in the sports bar.

Due to the individuals then playing their cards close to their chests the Police investigation was hampered to where we are today.

What we are now dealing with is either a very sophisticated set up or some very clear culprits that are currently beyond the realms of justice.

 

[Dispcop]

So I think the guy in the light coat spotted in the morning on the opposite side of the road was identified and taken out of enquiries. (Link to Guardian shows him continuing past Costcutter).

The beginning and the end of Heworth Rd had CCTV. So the character who went out of sight for a minute behind the houses presumably didn't cross the road but turned off or in to somewhere. Plus how would a random person ever know that alleyway existed without a good knowledge of the area (NH?). Even with good knowledge you wouldn't just know about an obscured ally unless you had seen it before and knew it existed. Even Lime Court is a bit off the path. I think he was checking to see if any activity in CL house. Night before checked if home to then continue with early morning plan.

Also given CL was up all night the previous night I just dont see her doing so two nights in a row whilst having work the next day. That's pretty good going for a 35yo... 1hour sleep and then up all day, you would just need a decent sleep?!? Surely.

Anyway, obviously a guess but no crimescene = car. Car of interest Ford Focus... someone would need to know her work routine but you wouldn't really be so open about it to everyone, so reckon info was passed through several people, maybe a close friend knew her routine better than a new boyfriend? Shift work is so in and out that you would need to know a good amount.

Just thinking out loud here.

Claudia Lawrence police seek two men seen on CCTV | UK news | The Guardian

 

[Yozzer]

@Dispcop
Also given CL was up all night the previous night I just dont see her doing so two nights in a row whilst having work the next day. That's pretty good going for a 35yo... 1hour sleep and then up all day, you would just need a decent sleep?!? Surely.

Is it possible she spurned a long standing lover in order to see her new boyfriend Tuesday night, using the excuse that she was working early shifts so would need an early night? Lover finds out - somehow - that she has lied and is set on revenge? Was she seen exiting a taxi at 5 in the morning outside her house before leaving for her Wednesday morning shift - by her lover or someone who would inform him?

 

[MajorLang]

So I think the guy in the light coat spotted in the morning on the opposite side of the road was identified and taken out of enquiries. (Link to Guardian shows him continuing past Costcutter).

The beginning and the end of Heworth Rd had CCTV. So the character who went out of sight for a minute behind the houses presumably didn't cross the road but turned off or in to somewhere. Plus how would a random person ever know that alleyway existed without a good knowledge of the area (NH?). Even with good knowledge you wouldn't just know about an obscured ally unless you had seen it before and knew it existed. Even Lime Court is a bit off the path. I think he was checking to see if any activity in CL house. Night before checked if home to then continue with early morning plan.

Also given CL was up all night the previous night I just dont see her doing so two nights in a row whilst having work the next day. That's pretty good going for a 35yo... 1hour sleep and then up all day, you would just need a decent sleep?!? Surely.

Anyway, obviously a guess but no crimescene = car. Car of interest Ford Focus... someone would need to know her work routine but you wouldn't really be so open about it to everyone, so reckon info was passed through several people, maybe a close friend knew her routine better than a new boyfriend? Shift work is so in and out that you would need to know a good amount.

Just thinking out loud here.

Claudia Lawrence police seek two men seen on CCTV | UK news | The Guardian

@Dispcop The Light person whilst seen on Cost Cutters cameras, as far as I'm aware was not eliminated from investigation.
They were wearing clothes that were oversized for them and one of Sleuths has already commented that they may have been carrying something under their light jacket. It is also possible that they were wearing a wig or could have been female.

We know from not only that cctv camera and the one at the other end of Heworth Road and from analysis of the Limes cameras, that we have only ever been shown CCTV footage from 3 of the total of 7 cameras to date.
This is either because some were not working-They are all in place today and so this may not be the case. Or, more likely, Police are being selective in what they broadcast, either to maintain prosecution evidence or to flush Perps out by leaving an element of secrecy in why Police actually have seen.

From everything I have seen thus far, the 2 figures are still part of the appeal and both appear morning and night almost as they are working together.
Light person could also be the same, we cannot be sure, as the person seen at 6:45 at her door that morning.

Claudia's demeanour the night she spoke to her parents was described as normal. She appears to have high energy for her age and it is possible that if in a new relationship she may have been able to sustain another long night-either out but possibly in.

Hope this helps?

 

[moonsafari]

As you can see she is already onto something

Even on Websleuths the people want to see doggy pics

 

[MajorLang]

Even on Websleuths the people want to see doggy pics

Yes she has been sniffing out the boot of my car today @moonsafari

 

[Pinkizzy]

I thought that the Ruanes + DR were arrested after his comment was taken out of centext

 

[Popejohn3]

I thought that the Ruanes + DR were arrested after his comment was taken out of centext

That is what they said but the police as far as I heard simply “ on suspicion of ....”

 

[Popejohn3]

That is what they said but the police as far as I heard simply “ on suspicion of ....”

The police say the ‘dark person ‘is important for the investigation.
And I would have thought they ( police) would be able to borrow or replace the very same camera that shot him and use it to video any poi from same distances .
The cctv owners would be more than happy for them to be given a more modern equipment as replacement.
Any poi ... not just THE poi’s can be videoed candidly...

 

[MajorLang]

I thought that the Ruanes + DR were arrested after his comment was taken out of centext

DR alleges he was arrested due to something he said being taken out of context. He and Ruane didn't drink together though so I believe that it was still evidence build up from arrest of Harris and Cooper

 

[MajorLang]

The police say the ‘dark person ‘is important for the investigation.
And I would have thought they ( police) would be able to borrow or replace the very same camera that shot him and use it to video any poi from same distances .
The cctv owners would be more than happy for them to be given a more modern equipment as replacement.
Any poi ... not just THE poi’s can be videoed candidly...

Image enhancement was available to do this in 2009-They just wanted to protect evidence for prosecution by not showing clear picture. They knew who it was, just wanted to flush them out or scare anyone who had provided an Alibi previously

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Claudia didn't have a basement

Claudia wasn't the wife of a police officer ....

 

[MajorLang]

A recent poll on Facebook from one of the Claudia user groups with 141 members and more interested in solving the mystery than issuing platitudes and family support found the following:

Facebook-The general feeling so far is:

"Claudia Lawrence was murdered on the night before she failed to arrive at work, and was killed by someone she knew.
Her killer was a male who she was in a relationship/involved romantically with in some way.
He and Claudia had fallen out, and this male had murdered her in a fit of rage." END

I'm sure that this is as most theories speculative and what Police are also saying but came from different questions being asked of the group and compiled.

Interesting that they are adamant that it is a Male and not a female she had fallen out with as the signs we are seeing is she could have fallen out with a Female just prior to disappearing?

 

[MajorLang]

Claudia wasn't the wife of a police officer ....

But she could have become one

 

[Yozzer]

Any parallels between CLs murder and the following?

Killers 'follow pattern' in domestic abuse cases

Men who kill their partners follow a "homicide timeline" that could be tracked by police to help prevent deaths, new research suggests.

To conduct her study, she looked at all cases on the Counting Dead Women website where the woman had had a relationship with the perpetrator.

The eight steps she discovered in almost every killing were:

• A pre-relationship history of stalking or abuse by the perpetrator
• The romance developing quickly into a serious relationship
• The relationship becoming dominated by coercive control
• A trigger to threaten the perpetrator's control - for example, the relationship ends or the perpetrator gets into financial difficulty
• Escalation - an increase in the intensity or frequency of the partner's control tactics, such as by stalking or threatening suicide
• The perpetrator has a change in thinking - choosing to move on, either through revenge or by homicide
• Planning - the perpetrator might buy weapons or seek opportunities to get the victim alone
• Homicide - the man kills his partner, and possibly hurts others such as the victim's children

The only instance where a stage in the model was not followed was when men did not meet stage one - but this was normally because they had not had a relationship before, she said.

"We've been relying on the 'crime of passion, spontaneous red-mist' explanation [of killing] forever - and it's just not true," Dr Monckton Smith told the BBC.

"If you start looking at all these cases, there's planning, determination, there's always coercive control."

 

[Deleted member 102539]

But she could have become one

Maybe, I don't know more to it.

 

[Yozzer]

There has been discussion in the past on this site about the feasibility of using a domestic wheelie bin for removal.
Without commenting on this specific live case, check out the video (the suggestion of why police are interested is obvious). The missing woman in this case is 5ft 11ins.

Suspect identified in hunt for killer

 

[Popejohn3]

A recent poll on Facebook from one of the Claudia user groups with 141 members and more interested in solving the mystery than issuing platitudes and family support found the following:

Facebook-The general feeling so far is:

"Claudia Lawrence was murdered on the night before she failed to arrive at work, and was killed by someone she knew.
Her killer was a male who she was in a relationship/involved romantically with in some way.
He and Claudia had fallen out, and this male had murdered her in a fit of rage." END

I'm sure that this is as most theories speculative and what Police are also saying but came from different questions being asked of the group and compiled.

Interesting that they are adamant that it is a Male and not a female she had fallen out with as the signs we are seeing is she could have fallen out with a Female just prior to disappearing?

I think the conclusion of that group...141... is spot on!
And the outrage probably brought on by Claudia booking an ‘away ( from him ) holiday !

 

[moonsafari]

Any parallels between CLs murder and the following?

Killers 'follow pattern' in domestic abuse cases

Men who kill their partners follow a "homicide timeline" that could be tracked by police to help prevent deaths, new research suggests.

To conduct her study, she looked at all cases on the Counting Dead Women website where the woman had had a relationship with the perpetrator.

The eight steps she discovered in almost every killing were:

• A pre-relationship history of stalking or abuse by the perpetrator
• The romance developing quickly into a serious relationship
• The relationship becoming dominated by coercive control
• A trigger to threaten the perpetrator's control - for example, the relationship ends or the perpetrator gets into financial difficulty
• Escalation - an increase in the intensity or frequency of the partner's control tactics, such as by stalking or threatening suicide
• The perpetrator has a change in thinking - choosing to move on, either through revenge or by homicide
• Planning - the perpetrator might buy weapons or seek opportunities to get the victim alone
• Homicide - the man kills his partner, and possibly hurts others such as the victim's children

The only instance where a stage in the model was not followed was when men did not meet stage one - but this was normally because they had not had a relationship before, she said.

"We've been relying on the 'crime of passion, spontaneous red-mist' explanation [of killing] forever - and it's just not true," Dr Monckton Smith told the BBC.

"If you start looking at all these cases, there's planning, determination, there's always coercive control."

Don't get me started on weird relationships between mothers and sons. I wonder what MS relationship background was??