UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #3

[Brandysnapblue]

On the same note, there should also be many other CCTV cameras in the area and out of the area that could have picked up the same people/cars so that their trail could be seen.....????

 

[Brandysnapblue]

Such CCTV information could be used as factual evidence unless the CPS decided that the images weren't clear enough to be used as evidence?

 

[Brandysnapblue]

Or indeed that the CCTV evidence was acceptable BUT although it showed evidence of certain people being in the area, there wasn't evidence of them being with Claudia, so it wouldn't hold up in court

 

[Brandysnapblue]

There has to be much more CCTV evidence than has been made public.

 

[Brandysnapblue]

The police thought that they had enough evidence to pass the case onto the CPS. So the police know what they are doing. It is enough hard factual evidence that they must be short of or a confession/knowledge from someone that could be used to correlate with and back up the evidence that they already have.

 

[Brandysnapblue]

Alternatively, with regards to the CCTV, if they hold no evidence of passers by/cars, then the lack of CCTV evidence can only point to the use of the back alley or back garden access?

 

[Brandysnapblue]

And all of the above....... and the use of the back alley/gardens for an access route tell me that as the detective stated, there is a possibility that it was all very well planned

 

[Brandysnapblue]

And if it was very well planned, then it was most likely done by someone who had good knowledge of the local area and by more than one person because lifting and moving a dead body is not easy. Therefore, even if the death was accidental or one done in a fit of rage, covering it up had to be done by a meticulous plan. I'm not sure that if the death was accidental that perps had the time to come up with such a meticulous and doable plan.

 

[Yozzer]

Can anyone shed any light on how CL spent her birthday 2009 ?
Did she work on that Friday 27 th feb?
Any birthday cake celebrations?
Photos ?
And what about the rest of the weekend Saturday Sunday ?
Did she manage to meet up with her father as was suggested here !?

I would imagine photos would be on CLs phone (if it had a camera), her friend's phones or Facebook pics. You would expect her to have met with her parents since she was close to both but I have not read about it anywhere as the focus has remained tightly around the period leading up to her disappearance. Worth researching perhaps.

 

[Yozzer]

It could be an old man driving a young driver's car

Or a young man driving his parent's carefully preserved pride and joy.

 

[Brandysnapblue]

Or a young man driving his parent's carefully preserved pride and joy.

If it was a young man driving a parent's car, why were no young men arrested?

 

[Brandysnapblue]

There has to be SOME evidence of something to submit a file to the CPS. A file with no evidence at all surely cannot be submitted. The CPS stated not enough evidence. I guess the police are appealing to people to come forward in order to extend the evidence that they already have. So I guess in order to gain insight on the case, you would have to begin with what the police already have, and have submitted, and a general guess as to what CCTV images show, or don't show.

 

[MajorLang]

Can anyone shed any light on how CL spent her birthday 2009 ?
Did she work on that Friday 27 th feb?
Any birthday cake celebrations?
Photos ?
And what about the rest of the weekend Saturday Sunday ?
Did she manage to meet up with her father as was suggested here !?

This is important-any one know?

 

[MajorLang]

police won't share this

 

[MajorLang]

I wonder who CL was on the phone with on the 17th when she opened the door?

My bet is she was on the phone with the person who turned up as he was lost and calling her to get directions which prompted her to come to door before he knocked

 

[Nikynoo]

What I don't understand is.........CCTV....... Claudia cannot have walked to work or she would have been seen on CCTV on the same cameras that saw her walking home the day before. Plus, all people and cars passing past Claudia's house [in either direction] can be surely seen on CCTV, in the same way that the "alley man" and the walker by was seen [when alley man stopped in his stride] OR via the other cameras that are situated on the walk to work. There should therefore be a count of cars and people passing, even if they can't be identified. Also, of the time that people and cars passed during the night and into the morning hours ????

I am the same. There must be more CCTV that we are not privvy to for whatever reason.

 

[Mind your biscuits]

My bet is she was on the phone with the person who turned up as he was lost and calling her to get directions which prompted her to come to door before he knocked

I like that idea, so not a local then, and the police would know who he is from her phone records right?

 

[Popejohn3]

And if it was very well planned, then it was most likely done by someone who had good knowledge of the local area and by more than one person because lifting and moving a dead body is not easy. Therefore, even if the death was accidental or one done in a fit of rage, covering it up had to be done by a meticulous plan. I'm not sure that if the death was accidental that perps had the time to come up with such a meticulous and doable plan.

Re MajorLang still of the car breaking in cl road...does her door show up from the same camera IN THE DAY LIGHT hours ?

 

[Nikynoo]

And all of the above....... and the use of the back alley/gardens for an access route tell me that as the detective stated, there is a possibility that it was all very well planned

but what would the route be if they used the back alley, bearing in mind the CCTV in Limes Court?

 

[Yozzer]

And if it was very well planned, then it was most likely done by someone who had good knowledge of the local area and by more than one person because lifting and moving a dead body is not easy. Therefore, even if the death was accidental or one done in a fit of rage, covering it up had to be done by a meticulous plan. I'm not sure that if the death was accidental that perps had the time to come up with such a meticulous and doable plan.

Agree with all this. However, if the person involved had a lifetime's experience of lifting and moving heavy objects through their chosen employment, it would less of a challenge, even if they were no longer young and 'fit'.