UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #3

[Yozzer]

Does anyone know if police will have obtained DNA from the arrested men? Do they have the right to refuse to provide a sample?

 

[MajorLang]

@moonsafari
This is important
We need to know if Jen King smoked
Can you advise?

 

[MajorLang]

Speak English please! @MajorLang

I was talking to our German Sleuth

 

[Pinkizzy]

Speak English please! @MajorLang

We know what you're saying anyway

 

[Pinkizzy]

Does anyone know if police will have obtained DNA from the arrested men? Do they have the right to refuse to provide a sample?

Being arrested: your rights

 

[MajorLang]

Being arrested: your rights

So they will have checked all arrested DNA against what they have. Probably why they arrested them

 

[Popejohn3]

We know what you're saying anyway

Hmm tell us please @Pinkizzy ?

 

[Popejohn3]

Yes @Popejohn3 as @Yozzer says. I do not believe that this sighting has any relevance to this case. It was a red herring plant by Perps to distract. In my blog I have discounted this as any evidence provided by someone who will not identify themselves is not credible

With respect if I send info through crimestoppers without leaving my name I would expect the police to take it seriously.
It could have been from more than one source .
Since no one came forward it was probably cl and her assailant or assailant and his woman .

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Ha

@FromGermany Ja wir sollten nur die Fakten angered

"Better an innocent one than nobody at all!" - You should arrest any left handed smoker, when he is passing your window, please, whether innocent or not.
Google translator isn't always a friend to me, sorry.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

That's easy for you to say

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I was talking to our German Sleuth

 

[MajorLang]

We and Police have all been working to a date that suggest Claudia dissapeared between her call to Mum at 20:30 on 18th and her not turning up for work at 06:00 on 19th.

Of course, what we do not know is that Claudia may have been ill on 19th and stayed off work. They didn't call her until 10:00 and of course her phone was turned off at 12:00 on 19th.

But, what about this sighting from Tommy her neighbour on the evening of 19th Thursday. Could this have been when she was in the Pub and waiting for Suzy to turn up?:

Eighty-one year old Thomas (Tommy) Ward knew Claudia by sight.
“I know she knocked about with some girls — was it Thursday night (This would be 19th) they had drinks at the pub?” (Of course it could have been 18th)
Mr Ward said he had once witnessed someone bundle Claudia into their car, seemingly by force — and had reported what he had seen to police.

Was this reporting that evening then linked to her Fathers “Missing” report on 20th that stimulated such an unusual “Call to action” by the Police?

 

[Yozzer]

We and Police have all been working to a date that suggest Claudia dissapeared between her call to Mum at 20:30 on 18th and her not turning up for work at 06:00 on 19th.

Of course, what we do not know is that Claudia may have been ill on 19th and stayed off work. They didn't call her until 10:00 and of course her phone was turned off at 12:00 on 19th.

But, what about this sighting from Tommy her neighbour on the evening of 19th Thursday. Could this have been when she was in the Pub and waiting for Suzy to turn up?:

Eighty-one year old Thomas (Tommy) Ward knew Claudia by sight.
“I know she knocked about with some girls — was it Thursday night (This would be 19th) they had drinks at the pub?” (Of course it could have been 18th)
Mr Ward said he had once witnessed someone bundle Claudia into their car, seemingly by force — and had reported what he had seen to police.

Was this reporting that evening then linked to her Fathers “Missing” report on 20th that stimulated such an unusual “Call to action” by the Police?

The Tommy Ward interview took place in 2015 when the big screen was put up in Heworth Place. I took it to mean 'on Thursday nights', meaning regularly, bearing in mind it was probably said in a Yorkshire dialect. Would he say "was it Thursday night" - meaning Thurs 19th May, six years later?
Again, it is difficult to know when the 'bundling' sighting took place. Possibly he is protecting himself by being vague on the timescale and it did happen around the key period of her disappearance. From what I recall,there were instances of CL being worse for wear and sitting on pavements and at least one anonymous witness (who spoke to the newpapers) admitted to having to put her in a car to take her home.....but that would have had to be elsewhere wouldn't it..not Heworth Road. I always thought TWs sighting was played down (again was this to protect him?) as you would have to question a) who bundled her forcefully and b) where was she taken? Mr Ward had a prime position for a witness, as he lived next door to the pub so would have seen and heard a lot..

 

[Nikynoo]

Does anyone know if police will have obtained DNA from the arrested men? Do they have the right to refuse to provide a sample?

My understanding is that anyone who is arrested must give a DNA sample. See Being arrested: your rights I would imagine that there would be further charges for refusing.

 

[Pinkizzy]

Are there any articles about drinkers at the Carlton Arms who knew Claudia?

 

[moonsafari]

@moonsafari
This is important
We need to know if Jen King smoked
Can you advise?

On account of my love of cigarettes, I remember that GF used to smoke Embassies. On account of my hatred of hands, I'm not sure which hand he smoked with. Jen smoked when I knew her

 

[Yozzer]

On account of my love of cigarettes, I remember that GF used to smoke Embassies. On account of my hatred of hands, I'm not sure which hand he smoked with. Jen smoked when I knew her

Do you recall if Claudia or Suzy smoked?

 

[MajorLang]

Do you recall if Claudia or Suzy smoked?

I recall that Claudia's mum said that Claudia hated smoking or the smell of smoke around her.

 

[Popejohn3]

On account of my love of cigarettes, I remember that GF used to smoke Embassies. On account of my hatred of hands, I'm not sure which hand he smoked with. Jen smoked when I knew her

It was an embassy cig they found in the car but obviously dna / prints do not match with anyone mentioned

 

[MajorLang]

It was an embassy cig they found in the car but obviously dna / prints do not match with anyone mentioned

@Popejohn3 Pleased that you have the detail of the brand as well-Great stuff