UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #4

[Dispcop]

Only someone who lived close by or in that row of houses would have knowledge of the alley. We know one of her friends was a lodger and obviously the pub was connected physically but it would have been someone VERY local going behind those houses IMO

 

[Popejohn3]

Only someone who lived close by or in that row of houses would have knowledge of the alley. We know one of her friends was a lodger and obviously the pub was connected physically but it would have been someone VERY local going behind those houses IMO

Yes and that other expert
Driscoll I believe, who came out with the ‘gait’ expression ,thought he was not local because if he was local he would have been identified by now .

 

[Yozzer]

Yes and that other expert
Driscoll I believe, who came out with the ‘gait’ expression ,thought he was not local because if he was local he would have been identified by now .

But he has been identified and an arrest was made on suspicion of murder!
Police need more witnesses and locals/family/associates who know this man have been asked to come forward and provide more information about his actions, behaviour and routines, hence they continue to push the cctv.
In the case earlier this year of the Hull University student Libby Squire who was murdered, they continued to show cctv despite knowing the suspected murderer who was arrested but released pending further investigation.
Police can't simply say 'the man in this cctv clip is Fred Bloggs who we believe murdered CL - come forward and give us more information about him so we can charge him and bang him up in prison'.

 

[MajorLang]

I am of the thought that it is the same man... I think he went to just see if there was a light on, if involved and had a plan was checking to see if CL was home, even if just paid off to give a thumbs up. I'd like to see if he had been picked up doing the same any time before; seems to know about the alley, which I don't think you would without prior knowledge. It has to be someone with a good understanding of the road and houses, pubs, buildings to even know that alley existed.

Yes and they spent approximately the same amount of time on both occasions in Heworth Place. I mapped out where they could go in the period not seen on CCTV and the maximum, allowing for appearing again was either only to the rear gate of Claudia's property or as far as 15 Heworth Place.

If they had a conversation with someone it would reduce that range as it would if they picked something up or dropped something off.

 

[MajorLang]

But he has been identified and an arrest was made on suspicion of murder!
Police need more witnesses and locals/family/associates who know this man have been asked to come forward and provide more information about his actions, behaviour and routines, hence they continue to push the cctv.
In the case earlier this year of the Hull University student Libby Squire who was murdered, they continued to show cctv despite knowing the suspected murderer who was arrested but released pending further investigation.
Police can't simply say 'the man in this cctv clip is Fred Bloggs who we believe murdered CL - come forward and give us more information about him so we can charge him and bang him up in prison'.

As @moonsafari has already said in her very informative blog, there were one or two of the regulars / staff at the Nags who had a limp of some kind. So the person in Heworth Place could either have a limp or fake one so as to incriminate someone else.
As we know, the police did enlist an expert with particular skills at identifying "gait" this must be important to them.
What the police need is someone to come forward and say "That's my xxxxx and he was out really late that night-Oh my god"
What they don't need are loads of people coming forward with stupid theories that have no grounding and zero facts.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Some one on the FB page has just pointed out something very interesting.... That the gait of the person in the CCTV image from Limes Court, is VERY similar to that of Claudia's.... Take a look....

Looks, like CL had some longer thighs .... and her trousers/pants certainly weren't wide/loose and bulging at the knees, IMO.

 

[MajorLang]

Looks, like CL had some longer thighs .... and her trousers/pants certainly weren't wide/loose and bulging at the knees, IMO.

I love the German humour

 

[x_caz_x]

Who was the local property Landlord who died shortly after Claudia's disappearance? I have read him mentioned, as a landlord, but no other information.

 

[x_caz_x]

Looks, like CL had some longer thighs .... and her trousers/pants certainly weren't wide/loose and bulging at the knees, IMO.

It was someone else's theory, so thought it was worth mentioning. Even if it only serves to eliminate the possibility

 

[x_caz_x]

Yes and they spent approximately the same amount of time on both occasions in Heworth Place. I mapped out where they could go in the period not seen on CCTV and the maximum, allowing for appearing again was either only to the rear gate of Claudia's property or as far as 15 Heworth Place.

If they had a conversation with someone it would reduce that range as it would if they picked something up or dropped something off.

If the police are telling us the full story regarding her phone activity (possible that a few numbers were contacted or had contact, but could not be traced), then any liasions that Claudia arranged would likely to be face-to-face. If this was someone she was seeing, he would know her routine and perhaps it was their way of arranging a meet up? Would love to know if anyone, acting similar to this, was captured in the weeks leading up to the 18th/19th March.

 

[x_caz_x]

Was this not posted a while ago?

Apologies if it was....
Just trying to piece the 1 million grains of a jigsaw puzzle into a full picture without the box to go by

 

[Popejohn3]

As @moonsafari has already said in her very informative blog, there were one or two of the regulars / staff at the Nags who had a limp of some kind. So the person in Heworth Place could either have a limp or fake one so as to incriminate someone else.
As we know, the police did enlist an expert with particular skills at identifying "gait" this must be important to them.
What the police need is someone to come forward and say "That's my xxxxx and he was out really late that night-Oh my god"
What they don't need are loads of people coming forward with stupid theorithat have no grounding and zero facts.

So do you agree with Yozzer that this man has been identified?

 

[Dispcop]

Yes and that other expert
Driscoll I believe, who came out with the ‘gait’ expression ,thought he was not local because if he was local he would have been identified by now .

They arrested someone twice who may have been identified through this CCTV, but not sure. I mean he has a degree of a 'gait' but it isn't as if he is dragging a leg behind him. He is walking with purpose so maybe if he is rushing then the gait is more distinctive? I just wonder why they only relied on showing the evening CCTV after a while, because the morning footage is slightly clearer, you can see he is balding, and his hairline is apparent, hair colour for me points at greying hair and I would say he is the wrong build to be the landlord who died.

For me he is a larger build and his hairline is similar to one or two of the POIs, also has a collar up. In the morning footage he looks to his left before entering the alley. His hair looks darker at the back than the sides.

 

[Dispcop]

So do you agree with Yozzer that this man has been identified?

I think so, but people aren't coming forward. The people who knew him most may have been involved in some capacity, then also family members keeping quiet. I reckon he is a lookout being paid off by someone who has access to a few grand, disposable cars, and the means to dispose of a body.

 

[Popejohn3]

But he has been identified and an arrest was made on suspicion of murder!
Police need more witnesses and locals/family/associates who know this man have been asked to come forward and provide more information about his actions, behaviour and routines, hence they continue to push the cctv.
In the case earlier this year of the Hull University student Libby Squire who was murdered, they continued to show cctv despite knowing the suspected murderer who was arrested but released pending further investigation.
Police can't simply say 'the man in this cctv clip is Fred Bloggs who we believe murdered CL - come forward and give us more information about him so we can charge him and bang him up in prison'.

 

[Popejohn3]

Claudia Lawrence inquiry: Man near alley 'still key'

 

[Popejohn3]

Claudia Lawrence inquiry: Man near alley 'still key'

This implies he has not been identified

 

[Popejohn3]

I think so, but people aren't coming forward. The people who knew him most may have been involved in some capacity, then also family members keeping quiet. I reckon he is a lookout being paid off by someone who has access to a few grand, disposable cars, and the means to dispose of a body.

So I take it no one has admitted it was them .Bearing in mind that it is not a crime walking down an alley way !

 

[x_caz_x]

So I take it no one has admitted it was them .Bearing in mind that it is not a crime walking down an alley way !

Good point. Does lead us to believe that this scene was directly linked to Claudia

 

[Popejohn3]

They arrested someone twice who may have been identified through this CCTV, but not sure. I mean he has a degree of a 'gait' but it isn't as if he is dragging a leg behind him. He is walking with purpose so maybe if he is rushing then the gait is more distinctive? I just wonder why they only relied on showing the evening CCTV after a while, because the morning footage is slightly clearer, you can see he is balding, and his hairline is apparent, hair colour for me points at greying hair and I would say he is the wrong build to be the landlord who died.

For me he is a larger build and his hairline is similar to one or two of the POIs, also has a collar up. In the morning footage he looks to his left before entering the alley. His hair looks darker at the back than the sides.

If someone has been identified and brought in for questioning the first question would be is this you ?
Now if the police cannot match the real person right in front of them with the image in the video clip, how on earth can they expect us to identify him?