UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #6

[keep-it-real]

I don’t think I would have been so keen on her case if i knew the things being revealed.
PJ could you elaborate as to why you wouldnt be so keen on her case if you knew the things being revealed.
and which things in particular do you mean

 

[Popejohn3]

But if you're afraid of treading on eggshells you will never find out what happened.

We have lots of lies being told in this case:
How can a lady, described as being shy and not capable of saying boo to a goose by her work colleagues, who goes on her holidays with a steady boyfriend who watches her make friends with bar owners that export vehicles etc. from UK and are not the type to be messed with (Not my words) who has many complex relationships-mainly with middle aged men who already have partners and is described as being in multiple relationships.
Who when dissapears sparks an immediate call to action (Clearly on a watch list)

I would also like to believe that Claudia was a simple, shy girl.
Unfortunately we seem to have a Ying / Yang of evidence.
It appears to me that her Friends and Family are trying to protect her reputation yet those who are trying harder to find her are more open to the type of person she was.

Only by understanding how Claudia really lived her life will you find out what happened to her.

I agree the police should not be treading on eggs shells.
But as you said before her two close friends have not known her for very long.
But I don’t think they are lying in fact no one is lying in this case .Some simply refuse to speculate.We know no one is perfect apart from me that is !

 

[keep-it-real]

Not having F.book I havent been able to join any groups connected with CL's disappearance so needless to say I have a zillion unanswered questions surrounding her disappearance..
I understand communication with CS and JK has not always been easy, so putting that aside how open has CL's ex boyfriend Dan been to speaking with the genearal publuc on the subject. Having had a relationship with her for a number of years his personal and intimate knowledge of her could be extremely useful his mention of Robbie Campbell particulary interests me , and I would be very interested in hearing more from him about CL and her life instead of the usual repeated blah blah blah coming from JK & SC

 

[keep-it-real]

CL was seen to post a letter at melrose gate on the 18th on her way home from work we have seen a video of that.
The cctv at melrosegate P.O. gives good visability for the road and pavements both sides of it so any persons or vehicles travelling up or down that road/pavements are going to be seen.
So did CL travel on melrosegate road past that cctv on previous days 16th 17th 18th and poss 19th?
This vital piece of cctv evidence will tell us if she walked to and from work on these days, if she had a lift with someone or took a taxi any of those days then that vehicle could possibly be on that cctv footage.
I noted there is a shell petrol station on the junction of Hull road enroute to University road I havent heard that any cctv footage was recovered from that camera it has a large forecourt so possibly didnt cover the pavement or road.
On the morning of the 18th did CL walk to work? we know she had a letter that needed posting and she didnt post it in the morning even tho her route would have taken her past a Melrosegate P.O and a postbox on Green Dykes lane. So was the contents of that letter somekind of form she was given at work for work or was it something she had to get downloaded at the College becase she did not have internet?. Was it something that needed a signature from her employer or a witness signature? Presumably the college has cctv cameras and it wouldnt be difficult to track CL around the college to check her movements on this day.
The most important element of all this to me is that the police released footage of CL posting the letter at melrosegate but they have never mentioned that she didnt walk past that camera on the any other day.
I want to know!!
And if she didnt walk past that camera on the other days what vehicles did pass by (its only an hour window max morning and afternoon to sift thru for gods sake).
Did the red car seen on University road with the couple arguing pass by?
For me this part of the investigation forms an important part of the timeline because if as reported on the 19th a cyclist witness put a woman on Melrosegate Bridge talking to a left handed male smoker and another witness saw a male and female arguing on University road next to a red car with its door open on the morning of the 19th then CL did indeed leave 46 Heworth Rd that morning and these are the people we need to be concenrating on.
I also want to know from the police exactly what spot did 2 different search dogs trace CL's scent to the rivers edge!
And what vehicles arrived and left Heworth Place and the Limes car park on the evening of the 18th thru to the morning of the 19th

 

[MajorLang]

CL was seen to post a letter at melrose gate on the 18th on her way home from work we have seen a video of that.
The cctv at melrosegate P.O. gives good visability for the road and pavements both sides of it so any persons or vehicles travelling up or down that road/pavements are going to be seen.
So did CL travel on melrosegate road past that cctv on previous days 16th 17th 18th and poss 19th?
This vital piece of cctv evidence will tell us if she walked to and from work on these days, if she had a lift with someone or took a taxi any of those days then that vehicle could possibly be on that cctv footage.
I noted there is a shell petrol station on the junction of Hull road enroute to University road I havent heard that any cctv footage was recovered from that camera it has a large forecourt so possibly didnt cover the pavement or road.
On the morning of the 18th did CL walk to work? we know she had a letter that needed posting and she didnt post it in the morning even tho her route would have taken her past a Melrosegate P.O and a postbox on Green Dykes lane. So was the contents of that letter somekind of form she was given at work for work or was it something she had to get downloaded at the College becase she did not have internet?. Was it something that needed a signature from her employer or a witness signature? Presumably the college has cctv cameras and it wouldnt be difficult to track CL around the college to check her movements on this day.
The most important element of all this to me is that the police released footage of CL posting the letter at melrosegate but they have never mentioned that she didnt walk past that camera on the any other day.
I want to know!!
And if she didnt walk past that camera on the other days what vehicles did pass by (its only an hour window max morning and afternoon to sift thru for gods sake).
Did the red car seen on University road with the couple arguing pass by?
For me this part of the investigation forms an important part of the timeline because if as reported on the 19th a cyclist witness put a woman on Melrosegate Bridge talking to a left handed male smoker and another witness saw a male and female arguing on University road next to a red car with its door open on the morning of the 19th then CL did indeed leave 46 Heworth Rd that morning and these are the people we need to be concenrating on.
I also want to know from the police exactly what spot did 2 different search dogs trace CL's scent to the rivers edge!
And what vehicles arrived and left Heworth Place and the Limes car park on the evening of the 18th thru to the morning of the 19th

I believe that Claudia was taken between 05:07 and 05:42 on 19th March 2009
Police have only shown about 4 minutes of footage during this period and are covering something up.
I have requested from the cold case team the full footage of the above time's. As it's only 35 minutes, I would like to examine it as they thus far have done a poor job.
My request to them is now almost a week old, they have acknowledged this request but if they refuse to provide the footage them I will alert the media to a police cover up and then the only way they will silence us is with a "D" notice and then we know what that means.

 

[keep-it-real]

I believe that Claudia was taken between 05:07 and 05:42 on 19th March 2009
Police have only shown about 4 minutes of footage during this period and are covering something up.
I have requested from the cold case team the full footage of the above time's. As it's only 35 minutes, I would like to examine it as they thus far have done a poor job.
My request to them is now almost a week old, they have acknowledged this request but if they refuse to provide the footage them I will alert the media to a police cover up and then the only way they will silence us is with a "D" notice and then we know what that means.

Good luck with that one ML.

When can CCTV images be disclosed?
You have the right to see CCTV images of you and to ask for a copy of them. The organisation must provide them within 30 calendar days. This is called a Subject Access Request. You will need to provide details to help the operator to establish your identity as the person in the pictures, and to help them find the images on their system.

• CCTV operators are not allowed to disclose images of identifiable people to the media - or to put them on the internet - for entertainment. Images released to the media to help identify a person are usually disclosed by the police.
• An organisation may need to disclose CCTV images for legal reasons - for example, crime detection. Once they have given the images to another organisation, then that organisation must adhere to the Data Protection Act in their handling of the images.
• Public authorities are subject to the Freedom of Information Act 2000, or the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2000. This Act allows members of the public to request official information by writing to the public authority, who must respond within 20 working days. If the images are those of the person making the request, then the request would be handled under the Data Protection Act as a Subject Access Request. If, however, other people are identifiable in the CCTV pictures, then the images would be considered personal information and it is likely they would be exempt from the Freedom of Information Act.

Law enforcement covert surveillance activities are covered by a separate Act - the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) 2000 and the Regulation of Investigatory Powers (Scotland) Act (RIPSA) 2000.

 

[Pinkizzy]

What is a D notice?

 

[Barbieshell]

What is a D notice?

"a government notice issued to news editors requiring them not to publicise certain information for reasons of national security".

 

[keep-it-real]

I believe that Claudia was taken between 05:07 and 05:42 on 19th March 2009
Police have only shown about 4 minutes of footage during this period and are covering something up.
I have requested from the cold case team the full footage of the above time's. As it's only 35 minutes, I would like to examine it as they thus far have done a poor job.
My request to them is now almost a week old, they have acknowledged this request but if they refuse to provide the footage them I will alert the media to a police cover up and then the only way they will silence us is with a "D" notice and then we know what that means.

Ive long since given up on getting any feedback from the police regarding answers to questions we have raised here.. As much as I feel for Peter Lawrence he has access to information that the police has given him about this case and I just wish he would be open to answering some of the questions raised here. He needs to wake up and realise that the approach he has taken over the years has not worked in finding out what happened to CL and what he really needs to do is to employ someone with some balls that will demand more information be released into the public domain and get to work on investigating the leads that come in from that.
Take a leaf out of Harry Dunns parents book Peter they wont stop at anything to get justice for their son.

 

[Popejohn3]

CL was seen to post a letter at melrose gate on the 18th on her way home from work we have seen a video of that.
The cctv at melrosegate P.O. gives good visability for the road and pavements both sides of it so any persons or vehicles travelling up or down that road/pavements are going to be seen.
So did CL travel on melrosegate road past that cctv on previous days 16th 17th 18th and poss 19th?
This vital piece of cctv evidence will tell us if she walked to and from work on these days, if she had a lift with someone or took a taxi any of those days then that vehicle could possibly be on that cctv footage.
I noted there is a shell petrol station on the junction of Hull road enroute to University road I havent heard that any cctv footage was recovered from that camera it has a large forecourt so possibly didnt cover the pavement or road.
On the morning of the 18th did CL walk to work? we know she had a letter that needed posting and she didnt post it in the morning even tho her route would have taken her past a Melrosegate P.O and a postbox on Green Dykes lane. So was the contents of that letter somekind of form she was given at work for work or was it something she had to get downloaded at the College becase she did not have internet?. Was it something that needed a signature from her employer or a witness signature? Presumably the college has cctv cameras and it wouldnt be difficult to track CL around the college to check her movements on this day.
The most important element of all this to me is that the police released footage of CL posting the letter at melrosegate but they have never mentioned that she didnt walk past that camera on the any other day.
I want to know!!
And if she didnt walk past that camera on the other days what vehicles did pass by (its only an hour window max morning and afternoon to sift thru for gods sake).
Did the red car seen on University road with the couple arguing pass by?
For me this part of the investigation forms an important part of the timeline because if as reported on the 19th a cyclist witness put a woman on Melrosegate Bridge talking to a left handed male smoker and another witness saw a male and female arguing on University road next to a red car with its door open on the morning of the 19th then CL did indeed leave 46 Heworth Rd that morning and these are the people we need to be concenrating on.
I also want to know from the police exactly what spot did 2 different search dogs trace CL's scent to the rivers edge!
And what vehicles arrived and left Heworth Place and the Limes car park on the evening of the 18th thru to the morning of the 19th

All very good questions I must say and the answers are in the statement by the police that they searched over 1000 vehicles and obviously spoke to the drivers too.And these would include the vehicles you are talking about .
The police would have ascertained which morning/afternoon Claudia walked and which morning /afternoon she got a lift and by whom ,

 

[Popejohn3]

Ive long since given up on getting any feedback from the police regarding answers to questions we have raised here.. As much as I feel for Peter Lawrence he has access to information that the police has given him about this case and I just wish he would be open to answering some of the questions raised here. He needs to wake up and realise that the approach he has taken over the years has not worked in finding out what happened to CL and what he really needs to do is to employ someone with some balls that will demand more information be released into the public domain and get to work on investigating the leads that come in from that.
Take a leaf out of Harry Dunns parents book Peter they wont stop at anything to get justice for their son.

Harry Dunn’s story is not over yet I’m afraid.
Realising more information might not get a CONVICTION .
After all some people here believe they know who but not the how .

 

[Popejohn3]

I believe that Claudia was taken between 05:07 and 05:42 on 19th March 2009
Police have only shown about 4 minutes of footage during this period and are covering something up.
I have requested from the cold case team the full footage of the above time's. As it's only 35 minutes, I would like to examine it as they thus far have done a poor job.
My request to them is now almost a week old, they have acknowledged this request but if they refuse to provide the footage them I will alert the media to a police cover up and then the only way they will silence us is with a "D" notice and then we know what that means.

I would have thought the media is already reading these posts ?

 

[keep-it-real]

Harry Dunn’s story is not over yet I’m afraid.
Realising more information might not get a CONVICTION .
After all some people here believe they know who but not the how .

Harry Dunn’s story is not over yet I’m afraid.
I was highlighting the The Dunns determind and proactive and relentless pursuit of justice.. They have applied an immense of pressure to the relevant authorities in the UK and the US.. Peter Lawrence needs to employ someone who has the same driving force and determination.
Realising more information might not get a CONVICTION .
After all some people here believe they know who but not the how
But PJ if you know how you will know who and then you will have the evidence to bring the case before the CPS.

 

[keep-it-real]

All very good questions I must say and the answers are in the statement by the police that they searched over 1000 vehicles and obviously spoke to the drivers too.And these would include the vehicles you are talking about .
The police would have ascertained which morning/afternoon Claudia walked and which morning /afternoon she got a lift and by whom ,

As I understood it from the Missing or Murdered programme in the first 2 months over 1000 witness statements had been taken and 240 properties were searched all of which drew a blank. By all accounts this was a huge task for the 100 officers assigned to the case.
I would be interested to know where it was reported that the police had searched a 1000 vehicles?
What have the police got to loose by disclosing details of how she travelled to work in the days prior to her disappearance?
Could that cctv footage provide evidence or prompt someones memory of a person seeing a male watching,in a vehicle or on foot following CL on her route to work on the days prior to her disappearing. As it is we have nothing so you arent going to get anyone coming forward to say I know him I know that vehicle hes always around watching girls as they are walking to and from college! These type of men get off watching and following woman/young girls and colleges provide a perfect opportunity for such an activity, they start with watching then photographing and then assualt/absconding them.
Anyone who passed melrosegate PO cctv at the times when CL was on her usual walk route to and from work could have valuable information.
Its possible that nothing or no one in CL's life prior to the 19th had anything to do with her disappearance and its quite possible that a complete stranger could have been the person responsible for her disappearance so its extremely important to have as much details out there as possible.
Where we hope the police have done a thorough investigation we have found their investigation lacking.
They highlighted the fact that CL had left the house on the 18th for 15 minutes but they have never found out where she went .. I ask you how far can a women get (7.5 mins out and thats if she turns right around and comes back) Theres a cctv camera at the Limes which would clearly show if she went in that direction and a cctv at costcutter if she got that far, a woman witness even said she saw her on her return journey so they have some idea which direction she had come from and still they didnt find out where she went.Duh!

 

[An_Owl]

It seems to me that the police consider the CCTV that has been issued to be directly relevant to the case, rather than a general ‘fishing’ expedition.

I think they know perfectly well what happened to CL and why, but can’t prove it to the point of a successful prosecution.

 

[Popejohn3]

As I understood it from the Missing or Murdered programme in the first 2 months over 1000 witness statements had been taken and 240 properties were searched all of which drew a blank. By all accounts this was a huge task for the 100 officers assigned to the case.
I would be interested to know where it was reported that the police had searched a 1000 vehicles?
What have the police got to loose by disclosing details of how she travelled to work in the days prior to her disappearance?
Could that cctv footage provide evidence or prompt someones memory of a person seeing a male watching,in a vehicle or on foot following CL on her route to work on the days prior to her disappearing. As it is we have nothing so you arent going to get anyone coming forward to say I know him I know that vehicle hes always around watching girls as they are walking to and from college! These type of men get off watching and following woman/young girls and colleges provide a perfect opportunity for such an activity, they start with watching then photographing and then assualt/absconding them.
Anyone who passed melrosegate PO cctv at the times when CL was on her usual walk route to and from work could have valuable information.
Its possible that nothing or no one in CL's life prior to the 19th had anything to do with her disappearance and its quite possible that a complete stranger could have been the person responsible for her disappearance so its extremely important to have as much details out there as possible.
Where we hope the police have done a thorough investigation we have found their investigation lacking.
They highlighted the fact that CL had left the house on the 18th for 15 minutes but they have never found out where she went .. I ask you how far can a women get (7.5 mins out and thats if she turns right around and comes back) Theres a cctv camera at the Limes which would clearly show if she went in that direction and a cctv at costcutter if she got that far, a woman witness even said she saw her on her return journey so they have some idea which direction she had come from and still they didnt find out where she went.Duh!

im sure the word ‘search’ was used in other reports re cars !

 

[keep-it-real]

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im sure the word ‘search’ was used in other reports re cars !

Your attatchments says logged PJ theres a big difference between logged and searched..

 

[keep-it-real]

It seems to me that the police consider the CCTV that has been issued to be directly relevant to the case, rather than a general ‘fishing’ expedition.


I think they know perfectly well what happened to CL and why, but can’t prove it to the point of a successful prosecution.

It seems to me that the police consider the CCTV that has been issued to be directly relevant to the case, rather than a general ‘fishing’ expedition
Well clearly they are missing/cant find the vital piece of evidence they need to tie it all together to bring a prosecution. How are they going to look if a lead to that information comes from cctv that they have not released into the public domain in the hope of finding out the person responsible for her disappearance

I think they know perfectly well what happened to CL and why, but can’t prove it to the point of a successful prosecution.[/QUOTE]
Im afraid after nearly 11 years later and still no prosecution that just doesnt wash

 

[Popejohn3]

Harry Dunn’s story is not over yet I’m afraid.
I was highlighting the The Dunns determind and proactive and relentless pursuit of justice.. They have applied an immense of pressure to the relevant authorities in the UK and the US.. Peter Lawrence needs to employ someone who has the same driving force and determination.
Realising more information might not get a CONVICTION .
After all some people here believe they know who but not the how
But PJ if you know how you will know who and then you will have the evidence to bring the case before the CPS.

Innocent till proven guilty I’m afraid

 

[keep-it-real]

Innocent till proven guilty I’m afraid

Im not completely understanding your reply PJ you referring to Anne Sacoolas?