UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #6

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  • #61
@keep-it-real
It has crossed my mind that after his conversation with Claudia about her lack of sleep and her explanation for this he may have been a bit unhappy with her and so didnt offer her a lift and deliberately took a different route so if she was going to have another sleepless night with this man she could jolly well walk to work.

It crossed my mind that she said it to deflect unwanted attention - if the conversation did actually take place, as you later suggest.
 
  • #62
@keep-it-real
It has crossed my mind that after his conversation with Claudia about her lack of sleep and her explanation for this he may have been a bit unhappy with her and so didnt offer her a lift and deliberately took a different route so if she was going to have another sleepless night with this man she could jolly well walk to work.

It crossed my mind that she said it to deflect unwanted attention - if the conversation did actually take place, as you later suggest.

Im half and half on whether this conversation took place or not. The only reason I give it any credibility at all is because the police seemed to take it very seriously and began appealing for the mystery man to come forward. Maybe phone pings or times she was active on her phone the night he claims backs up his claim?

On the other hand I find it very suspicious he waited a year to come forward with this information... MOO
 
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Back door / front door
Malyn we saw a shadow going into the house when she returned from her errand . It’s logical to assume it was her.
But we do not see her nor anyone else coming out.
Galloway true but for x amount of time her front door is not visible therefore she could still have used her front door no?
 
  • #66
Re cctv opposite her house.is it still there ?
Was it there and if so why did it not pick up Rodney Ballard when over three Xmasses he put up wreathes on her door ?
 
  • #67
Re cctv opposite her house.is it still there ?
Was it there and if so why did it not pick up Rodney Ballard when over three Xmasses he put up wreathes on her door ?
He was reported to the police and dealt with so 'someone' knew who he was.
 
  • #68
He was reported to the police and dealt with so 'someone' knew who he was.
What I am trying to imply here ( badly) that I believe the said camera was far too low to pick up the whole person coming out or in from CL door
 
  • #69
Once upon a long ago this used to be a railway line. When it was removed I have no idea but I believe it is now the cycle path you are referring to where the teenage girl's assault took place. I believe this path is easily accessible from numerous places along it's path but I've only used the postmentioned asset so don't quote me. Interestingly, as I did the "walk" on Google Earth from Claudia's place to the University, just before Melrosegate Bridge, I passed by a bus coming out of one of the side streets with "University" written as its destination and a bus stop just prior to the bridge. I wonder how early this bus runs and if it runs directly to the University. Just dotting 'i's and crossing 't's.
Thankyou for that info ...Do you know if this cycle path goes as far as the University and is the spot were the rucksack was found on the cycle path or nearby it
 
  • #70
Where did David Oxer live?
 
  • #71
What I am trying to imply here ( badly) that I believe the said camera was far too low to pick up the whole person coming out or in from CL door
But the imagery is still good enough to see if "someone" goes out or in her front door and given that there has been much discussion on here in last 48 hours linking her to walking to work or being seen on Melrosegate bridge. The said camera would have picked this up. No the likelihood is that she left by the rear door in the evening. When Oxer said that on that morning he had decided to take another route and not give her a lift, he actually decided not passing her house when doing so was his quickest route.
Why would anyone do that? In the tv interview he did appear to be searching for inspiration when asked why he didn't offer her a lift that day. Was he just a sado with little life who wanted part of the glory of being associated with knowing something.
Was Claudias lift giving line up provided on a more casual basis:
E,g. Friends or colleagues would drive the same walking route as Claudia and if they saw her offer her a lift and so was her default mode to work walking with a lift by someone she knew stopping when they saw her.
Then we have the latest TV document where Claudias two female friends are having what appears to be a staged discussion about not having to apologise over mistakenly using present or past tense when discussing her. That was odd?
JK in the same programme mentions that if she knew who the murderer or murderers were she would drag them to the nearest police station. But would this be the same if an accident had occurred and it wasn't seen as murder?
I believe that what occurred was a drug induced argument between people who knew Claudia that got out of hand and she met her maker in the Nags Head car park. As one of her friends has said on TV. "I hope she was dead before she hit the ground"
I often wonder, if Claudia had been equally responsible for an argument, things got out of hand and an accident occurred. Would the others involved feel that there had been no wrongdoing on their part and has this allowed them to continue their lives with less guilt? IMO This is where the police appear to be looking and so with all the additional evidence and knowledge they will have from interviews, my tendency is not to get embroiled in discussions about stranger sightings, missing backpack sightings, walking to work or any of the other reported activity that is not substantiated by cctv.

As I have said many times before. This case is unlikely to be a "Who Done it" and for me the "why done it" if you consider the above is now becoming clearer.

The last thing the Perps would want is a dead body to be found with possible traces of drugs as that could just put their little Nags Head operation out of business and those higher up the supply chain would be very angry if this happened and so warnings off and fear of revealing what happened may well also apply to the perpetrators, even if it was an accident.

Finally, if you were not involved in Claudias demise but a friend of the Perps. If you had partaken in the same drugs in the past, might you have empathy with what happened and not want a wrong word said about your friends. Equally, if Police had René wales what they believed had happened to Claudia. Would her Dad want this to come to the media?
 
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Im half and half on whether this conversation took place or not. The only reason I give it any credibility at all is because the police seemed to take it very seriously and began appealing for the mystery man to come forward. Maybe phone pings or times she was active on her phone the night he claims backs up his claim?

On the other hand I find it very suspicious he waited a year to come forward with this information... MOO
I found his whole demeanour odd, didn't exactly come accross as very upset even when he said he could have picked claudia up that morning, but for some reason he himself wasn't sure of he decided to drive past her house and leave her to walk to work at dark o'clock in the morning, and the fact he was upset for only a few weeks about the fact that had he picked her up she may still be alive
 
  • #73
Im half and half on whether this conversation took place or not. The only reason I give it any credibility at all is because the police seemed to take it very seriously and began appealing for the mystery man to come forward. Maybe phone pings or times she was active on her phone the night he claims backs up his claim?

On the other hand I find it very suspicious he waited a year to come forward with this information... MOO
I found his whole demeanour odd, didn't exactly come accross as very upset even when he said he could have picked claudia up that morning, but for some reason he himself wasn't sure of he decided to drive past her house and leave her to walk to work at dark o'clock in the morning, and the fact he was upset for only a few weeks about the fact that had he picked her up she may still be alive
 
  • #74
Just read the majors thread, and I find it hard to find too many holes in it, unless performed by a random madman which I am discounting here, most murders have only a few tried and tested motives, sex, money or if of a criminal nature self preservation, I wouldn't be shocked if at least 2 and maybe all 3 of these motives are involved here
 
  • #75
I found his whole demeanour odd
Yes I think most viewers felt the same. That said, is it partly because we are used to hearing the perfectly rehearsed responses to Claudia's disappearance from her Nag's Head acquaintances, carefully honed over 10 years of limelight hogging - as opposed to DO's ill-thought out musings?
 
  • #76
Yes I think most viewers felt the same. That said, is it partly because we are used to hearing the perfectly rehearsed responses to Claudia's disappearance from her Nag's Head acquaintances, carefully honed over 10 years of limelight hogging - as opposed to DO's ill-thought out musings?
Maybe, but it's the whole package for me, what he said and the casual way he said it
 
  • #77
Maybe, but it's the whole package for me, what he said and the casual way he said it
He must have had a rock solid alibi not to have been arrested, based on that performance.
 
  • #78
He must have had a rock solid alibi not to have been arrested, based on that performance.
Maybe, but without hard evidence it matters less I think
 
  • #79
But the imagery is still good enough to see if "someone" goes out or in her front door and given that there has been much discussion on here in last 48 hours linking her to walking to work or being seen on Melrosegate bridge. The said camera would have picked this up. No the likelihood is that she left by the rear door in the evening. When Oxer said that on that morning he had decided to take another route and not give her a lift, he actually decided not passing her house when doing so was his quickest route.
Why would anyone do that? In the tv interview he did appear to be searching for inspiration when asked why he didn't offer her a lift that day. Was he just a sado with little life who wanted part of the glory of being associated with knowing something.
Was Claudias lift giving line up provided on a more casual basis:
E,g. Friends or colleagues would drive the same walking route as Claudia and if they saw her offer her a lift and so was her default mode to work walking with a lift by someone she knew stopping when they saw her.
Then we have the latest TV document where Claudias two female friends are having what appears to be a staged discussion about not having to apologise over mistakenly using present or past tense when discussing her. That was odd?
JK in the same programme mentions that if she knew who the murderer or murderers were she would drag them to the nearest police station. But would this be the same if an accident had occurred and it wasn't seen as murder?
I believe that what occurred was a drug induced argument between people who knew Claudia that got out of hand and she met her maker in the Nags Head car park. As one of her friends has said on TV. "I hope she was dead before she hit the ground"
I often wonder, if Claudia had been equally responsible for an argument, things got out of hand and an accident occurred. Would the others involved feel that there had been no wrongdoing on their part and has this allowed them to continue their lives with less guilt? IMO This is where the police appear to be looking and so with all the additional evidence and knowledge they will have from interviews, my tendency is not to get embroiled in discussions about stranger sightings, missing backpack sightings, walking to work or any of the other reported activity that is not substantiated by cctv.

As I have said many times before. This case is unlikely to be a "Who Done it" and for me the "why done it" if you consider the above is now becoming clearer.

The last thing the Perps would want is a dead body to be found with possible traces of drugs as that could just put their little Nags Head operation out of business and those higher up the supply chain would be very angry if this happened and so warnings off and fear of revealing what happened may well also apply to the perpetrators, even if it was an accident.

Finally, if you were not involved in Claudias demise but a friend of the Perps. If you had partaken in the same drugs in the past, might you have empathy with what happened and not want a wrong word said about your friends. Equally, if Police had René wales what they believed had happened to Claudia. Would her Dad want this to come to the media?
Very impressive points from you .
But she could have used her back door in the morning surly.
If it was in the evening then the question where did she stay overnight?

The morning back door exit in order to avoid person or persons waiting outside ?
Did this said camera pick up anyone waiting outside her door? Perhaps even knocking on her door ?
I repeat was her green front door visible ALL the time to this said camera ?
Re dark person: many believe he was checking if she was up / in therefore you would also expect him to knock on the door.
Most likely police have a blurry image of this too.
 
  • #80
Yes I think most viewers felt the same. That said, is it partly because we are used to hearing the perfectly rehearsed responses to Claudia's disappearance from her Nag's Head acquaintances, carefully honed over 10 years of limelight hogging - as opposed to DO's ill-thought out musings?
Ten years ten xmasses ten holidays is a long time.People move on but not for us here .we are stuck in 18/19 March 2009
 
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