UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #6

[Yozzer]

it's time for a thorough investigation and not a poor "me too" of previous documentary's

I assume by investigation you mean a thorough, hard-hitting documentary? The problem is getting people to come forward and speak - by this I mean avoiding the pitfall of speaking to friends who are just going on tv to divert attention from the main suspects or to have their 15 minutes of fame. I suppose the best way forward would be for a documentary maker to give guarantees of anonymity, change voices of witnesses, conceal their identity and avoid identifying criminals by name to avoid affecting the outcome of a trial? Do you think that would be possible in this case?

 

[Barbieshell]

Yes I've read this too, apparently he was suicidal. It's a shame he sought help for this as if he hadn't Sian Ocallaghan might have still been alive MOO

So if he was definitely somewhere that is basically a cast iron alibi then he should be crossed off the suspects list.
As someone pointed out, Halliwell would have been busting a gut to admit to the CL abduction, he'd never struggled spilling his guts to his horrible crimes in the past.
Someone else too CL, that's just my opinion of course folks xx

 

[keep-it-real]

So if he was definitely somewhere that is basically a cast iron alibi then he should be crossed off the suspects list.
As someone pointed out, Halliwell would have been busting a gut to admit to the CL abduction, he'd never struggled spilling his guts to his horrible crimes in the past.
Someone else too CL, that's just my opinion of course folks xx

Hes not been forthcoming on the other 58 items of clothing he had in his stash though has he.

 

[MajorLang]

Hes not been forthcoming on the other 58 items of clothing he had in his stash though has he.

And they haven't been matched to any missing persons either and so it's probably lost property he gathered left in his taxi or a fettish of washing line trophies

 

[MajorLang]

So if he was definitely somewhere that is basically a cast iron alibi then he should be crossed off the suspects list.
As someone pointed out, Halliwell would have been busting a gut to admit to the CL abduction, he'd never struggled spilling his guts to his horrible crimes in the past.
Someone else too CL, that's just my opinion of course folks xx

Police don't see him as a suspect, only members of public and press

 

[Popejohn3]

Look

So if he was definitely somewhere that is basically a cast iron alibi then he should be crossed off the suspects list.
As someone pointed out, Halliwell would have been busting a gut to admit to the CL abduction, he'd never struggled spilling his guts to his horrible crimes in the past.
Someone else too CL, that's just my opinion of course folks xx

yes someone else took Claudia ...get a move on cold case police

 

[MummyRatcliffe]

So if he was definitely somewhere that is basically a cast iron alibi then he should be crossed off the suspects list.
As someone pointed out, Halliwell would have been busting a gut to admit to the CL abduction, he'd never struggled spilling his guts to his horrible crimes in the past.
Someone else too CL, that's just my opinion of course folks xx

I agree completely, Haliwell confessed to the murder of Becky Godden while being questioned for Sians murder, if he killed CL or anyone else I'm positive he would have spilled to LE. Talk of Haliwell is a waste of time IMO. The police have confirmed he's not a suspect in the case and that's good enough for me. MOO

 

[Andyboy]

As the police seem to be no nearer making a significant breakthrough maybe its time for a new approach, appealing to people's basic decency to obtain information seems to have failed so why not appeal to a more basic desire, there greed, hm government has so far spent about 12 million on the madeleine mccann case, about 10 million more than Claudia's over roughly the same amount of time, there must be someone not directly involved in any potential wrongdoing that has significant information to break the case open I believe, but for whatever reason, fear or maybe misguided loyalty is keeping this information to themselves, I suspect the police have been down most roads trying for a breakthrough, so why not money, an offer of a very significant reward for information leading to a conviction may just be the thing that gets them talking, loyalty or fear is all very well but the thought of a big bag of cash might see there resolve broken, it may not work, but I think it's worth a shot, as whatever is being done now isn't working either

 

[Popejohn3]

As the police seem to be no nearer making a significant breakthrough maybe its time for a new approach, appealing to people's basic decency to obtain information seems to have failed so why not appeal to a more basic desire, there greed, hm government has so far spent about 12 million on the madeleine mccann case, about 10 million more than Claudia's over roughly the same amount of time, there must be someone not directly involved in any potential wrongdoing that has significant information to break the case open I believe, but for whatever reason, fear or maybe misguided loyalty is keeping this information to themselves, I suspect the police have been down most roads trying for a breakthrough, so why not money, an offer of a very significant reward for information leading to a conviction may just be the thing that gets them talking, loyalty or fear is all very well but the thought of a big bag of cash might see there resolve broken, it may not work, but I think it's worth a shot, as whatever is being done now isn't working either

As you may know 10000 pounds was on offer

 

[MajorLang]

As the police seem to be no nearer making a significant breakthrough maybe its time for a new approach, appealing to people's basic decency to obtain information seems to have failed so why not appeal to a more basic desire, there greed, hm government has so far spent about 12 million on the madeleine mccann case, about 10 million more than Claudia's over roughly the same amount of time, there must be someone not directly involved in any potential wrongdoing that has significant information to break the case open I believe, but for whatever reason, fear or maybe misguided loyalty is keeping this information to themselves, I suspect the police have been down most roads trying for a breakthrough, so why not money, an offer of a very significant reward for information leading to a conviction may just be the thing that gets them talking, loyalty or fear is all very well but the thought of a big bag of cash might see there resolve broken, it may not work, but I think it's worth a shot, as whatever is being done now isn't working either

@Andyboy The problem with this case is that Claudia was likely the instigator of a row. She went a step too far with someone's partner and the significant other found out and then confronted Claudia. We know that Claudia was avoiding her usual haunt and making excuses about not wanting to meet up that week. The only way to confront her would be either at her home-she probably wasn't answering the door or when she went to work on 19th.
So for Claudia to set off fro work an avoid detection did she leave by the back door and along the alleyway, through the Nags Car Park and out into Hewarth Road. If she was meeting someone for a lift, the instruction may have been "Meet me in Nags Car Park"Had she avoided the significant other on 18th in this way?
So the alley man-who were they, was it a women? Were they checking at night to see if she was in and in the morning checking Claudia was up and getting ready for work?

When Claudia left via the back door and approached the alley, wa someone waiting for her to ask "You been messing with my man?" A scuffle (similar time one reported by MOP) Claudia runs through Nags Car park and down lane between pub and terrace block of houses out in front of car driving at 22 MPH as earlier reported. Car breaks to avoid her but hits her and she falls- But was she gone before she hit the ground? Probably not. The killer blow was likely as she hit the kerb or road.
And so. Was there a killer-probably not?
The crime was likely to be the covering up of the accident and hence the wall of silence.
Is this why people can live with themselves and stay quiet. Is this why DO waited a year to report the new boyfriend story and strangely not pick her up that morning? Is this why SC Continues to defend her friends?

 

[MajorLang]

I assume by investigation you mean a thorough, hard-hitting documentary? The problem is getting people to come forward and speak - by this I mean avoiding the pitfall of speaking to friends who are just going on tv to divert attention from the main suspects or to have their 15 minutes of fame. I suppose the best way forward would be for a documentary maker to give guarantees of anonymity, change voices of witnesses, conceal their identity and avoid identifying criminals by name to avoid affecting the outcome of a trial? Do you think that would be possible in this case?

Yes @Yozzer Not Mark William- Thomas though as he never solved a TV crime yet-Too many of these Ex police tv celebs. At least in the celebrity chef world Jamie Oliver finishes a meal.

We should also have a public enquiry into both Claudia to review the police evidence and their procedures and the Mccanns case as leaving 3 children on their own for several nights alone while they boozed it up is in most people's book neglect. They must have high profile contacts to have escaped convictions here.

 

[Popejohn3]

@Andyboy The problem with this case is that Claudia was likely the instigator of a row. She went a step too far with someone's partner and the significant other found out and then confronted Claudia. We know that Claudia was avoiding her usual haunt and making excuses about not wanting to meet up that week. The only way to confront her would be either at her home-she probably wasn't answering the door or when she went to work on 19th.
So for Claudia to set off fro work an avoid detection did she leave by the back door and along the alleyway, through the Nags Car Park and out into Hewarth Road. If she was meeting someone for a lift, the instruction may have been "Meet me in Nags Car Park"Had she avoided the significant other on 18th in this way?
So the alley man-who were they, was it a women? Were they checking at night to see if she was in and in the morning checking Claudia was up and getting ready for work?

When Claudia left via the back door and approached the alley, wa someone waiting for her to ask "You been messing with my man?" A scuffle (similar time one reported by MOP) Claudia runs through Nags Car park and down lane between pub and terrace block of houses out in front of car driving at 22 MPH as earlier reported. Car breaks to avoid her but hits her and she falls- But was she gone before she hit the ground? Probably not. The killer blow was likely as she hit the kerb or road.
And so. Was there a killer-probably not?
The crime was likely to be the covering up of the accident and hence the wall of silence.
Is this why people can live with themselves and stay quiet. Is this why DO waited a year to report the new boyfriend story and strangely not pick her up that morning? Is this why SC Continues to defend her friends?

Good possible scenario!
Couple of questions though: scuffle in alleyway between two women? No screaming? Did the witness hear any male voices?
Did the driver and person chasing Claudia know each ?

 

[Popejohn3]

As the police seem to be no nearer making a significant breakthrough maybe its time for a new approach, appealing to people's basic decency to obtain information seems to have failed so why not appeal to a more basic desire, there greed, hm government has so far spent about 12 million on the madeleine mccann case, about 10 million more than Claudia's over roughly the same amount of time, there must be someone not directly involved in any potential wrongdoing that has significant information to break the case open I believe, but for whatever reason, fear or maybe misguided loyalty is keeping this information to themselves, I suspect the police have been down most roads trying for a breakthrough, so why not money, an offer of a very significant reward for information leading to a conviction may just be the thing that gets them talking, loyalty or fear is all very well but the thought of a big bag of cash might see there resolve broken, it may not work, but I think it's worth a shot, as whatever is being done now isn't working either

As the police seem to be no nearer making a significant breakthrough maybe its time for a new approach, appealing to people's basic decency to obtain information seems to have failed so why not appeal to a more basic desire, there greed, hm government has so far spent about 12 million on the madeleine mccann case, about 10 million more than Claudia's over roughly the same amount of time, there must be someone not directly involved in any potential wrongdoing that has significant information to break the case open I believe, but for whatever reason, fear or maybe misguided loyalty is keeping this information to themselves, I suspect the police have been down most roads trying for a breakthrough, so why not money, an offer of a very significant reward for information leading to a conviction may just be the thing that gets them talking, loyalty or fear is all very well but the thought of a big bag of cash might see there resolve broken, it may not work, but I think it's worth a shot, as whatever is being done now isn't working either

The operative words in your quote is ‘ most roads’
I think the police missed something vital given to them in the first weeks / months of the investigation .
I’m curious about something:the sightings of say arguing couple next to red car with open passenger door and also sighting of couple talking with the man smoking with his left hand ... were these reported through crimestoppers ?

 

[Andyboy]

@Andyboy The problem with this case is that Claudia was likely the instigator of a row. She went a step too far with someone's partner and the significant other found out and then confronted Claudia. We know that Claudia was avoiding her usual haunt and making excuses about not wanting to meet up that week. The only way to confront her would be either at her home-she probably wasn't answering the door or when she went to work on 19th.
So for Claudia to set off fro work an avoid detection did she leave by the back door and along the alleyway, through the Nags Car Park and out into Hewarth Road. If she was meeting someone for a lift, the instruction may have been "Meet me in Nags Car Park"Had she avoided the significant other on 18th in this way?
So the alley man-who were they, was it a women? Were they checking at night to see if she was in and in the morning checking Claudia was up and getting ready for work?

When Claudia left via the back door and approached the alley, wa someone waiting for her to ask "You been messing with my man?" A scuffle (similar time one reported by MOP) Claudia runs through Nags Car park and down lane between pub and terrace block of houses out in front of car driving at 22 MPH as earlier reported. Car breaks to avoid her but hits her and she falls- But was she gone before she hit the ground? Probably not. The killer blow was likely as she hit the kerb or road.
And so. Was there a killer-probably not?
The crime was likely to be the covering up of the accident and hence the wall of silence.
Is this why people can live with themselves and stay quiet. Is this why DO waited a year to report the new boyfriend story and strangely not pick her up that morning? Is this why SC Continues to defend her friends?

I wouldn't argue with your theory but unless someone opens there mouth it won't ever get proven, the only bit I would disagree about is the new boyfriend, that idea only came from one source and I don't believe it

 

[Andyboy]

As you may know 10000 pounds was on offer

I'd make it a 100k at least, police maybe in conjunction with the media, someone like the Yorkshire Post could easily afford it

 

[keep-it-real]

Yes @Yozzer Not Mark William- Thomas though as he never solved a TV crime yet-Too many of these Ex police tv celebs. At least in the celebrity chef world Jamie Oliver finishes a meal.

We should also have a public enquiry into both Claudia to review the police evidence and their procedures and the Mccanns case as leaving 3 children on their own for several nights alone while they boozed it up is in most people's book neglect. They must have high profile contacts to have escaped convictions here.

They must have high profile contacts to have escaped convictions here.
High profile contacts indeed and thats where you need to look here

 

[Andyboy]

As a side and possibly irrelevant issue, the left handed smoker should he exist is probably right handed, I smoke with my left hand but am right handed in all other aspects, the reason for this is before the smoking ban was enforced I like others would be in a pub and our natural hand, my right hand would have a glass in it, so smoking would be done with my left hand, aiso right handed people use there strong hand to flick there lighter thus removing cigarette from mouth with left hand, smoking ban has been here 13 years but I for one still do it

 

[MajorLang]

As a side and possibly irrelevant issue, the left handed smoker should he exist is probably right handed, I smoke with my left hand but am right handed in all other aspects, the reason for this is before the smoking ban was enforced I like others would be in a pub and our natural hand, my right hand would have a glass in it, so smoking would be done with my left hand, aiso right handed people use there strong hand to flick there lighter thus removing cigarette from mouth with left hand, smoking ban has been here 13 years but I for one still do it

Yes I always felt that the "Left Handed Smoker" reveal was of little help and took many down a dark alley. (Forgive the pun)

 

[Andyboy]

Yes I always felt that the "Left Handed Smoker" reveal was of little help and took many down a dark alley. (Forgive the pun)

Exactly, why contact the police to tell them about it but not tell them who you are, it's not an offence to be a witness

 

[keep-it-real]

Exactly, why contact the police to tell them about it but not tell them who you are, it's not an offence to be a witness

1. To protect their own personal safety and that of their familes?
2. Its a red Herring reporting