UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #6

[Yozzer]

Same story really, not enough conscience to leave there name or contact the police again

I think we have to accept that not every citizen is a paragon of virtue. Some may have been in trouble with the police before, or they may not particularly like or trust the police. There are lots of reasons why people remain anonymous hence why Crimestoppers exists. Also, not everyone is brave or strong of mind or morals. That is life. I'm not saying these sightings are genuine but we can't just transpose our own values onto the general public and question why they don't behave as we would (or how we would like to think we would behave).

 

[Andyboy]

I think we have to accept that not every citizen is a paragon of virtue. Some may have been in trouble with the police before, or they may not particularly like or trust the police. There are lots of reasons why people remain anonymous hence why Crimestoppers exists. Also, not everyone is brave or strong of mind or morals. That is life. I'm not saying these sightings are genuine but we can't just transpose our own values onto the general public and question why they don't behave as we would (or how we would like to think we would behave).

Hard to believe cigarette man and rucksack man have both never been heard of again, unless of course they are the same person

 

[Yozzer]

Hard to believe cigarette man and rucksack man have both never been heard of again, unless of course they are the same person

Cigarette man was sighted bang in the middle of student rental land. York has students from all over the country and many international students. Many continental students smoke. Coincidentally a French lad from York Uni was found dead in the river shortly after CL went missing, his clothes, glasses and wallet left in a neat pile on Melrosegate Bridge. It was assumed from his history that it was suicide. How do we know it wasn't him having a lover's tiff? In other words, a genuine sighting, but just not Claudia.

From memory, I think the Melrosegate sighting came from a postman.

 

[Andyboy]

I mean the person that said he saw cigarette man, and the person that saw the rucksack being the same individual

 

[Williow52]

i suspect that when/if the truth ever comes out that it was a sequence of events that weren’t planned or thought about too deeply, it just happened in a split second and the perp/s had a hell of a lot of luck on their side. I also suspect that the police probably know exactly what happened but just don’t have enough evidence for CPS. Very frustrating case.

 

[Williow52]

I also get the impression from the latest documentary that some of those interviewed quite enjoy the limelight/notoriety?

 

[Andyboy]

The work colleague didn't appear too stressed

 

[Williow52]

I know if it was my ‘best friend’ I would have made some attempt at contact if she didn’t turn up and as has been pointed out the pub was 4 doors away!

 

[Williow52]

I also don’t think she was as complicated as she has been made out to be, she was a single attractive woman who hadn’t settled down yet. IMO it was accident and very well covered up.

 

[Yozzer]

I know if it was my ‘best friend’ I would have made some attempt at contact if she didn’t turn up and as has been pointed out the pub was 4 doors away!

Perhaps SC was 'influenced' by someone in the pub to leave it alone. After all, it is likely that one or more POIs was in there on Thurs night trying to look nonchalant.

 

[Yozzer]

I know if it was my ‘best friend’ I would have made some attempt at contact if she didn’t turn up and as has been pointed out the pub was 4 doors away!

Yes there are best friends and drinking buddies. Not necessarily the same thing imo. There was a lot that CL didn't share with SC. SC has admitted herself that perhaps she didn't know CL as well as she thought she had.

 

[Williow52]

Perhaps SC was 'influenced' by someone in the pub to leave it alone. After all, it is likely that one or more POIs was in there on Thurs night trying to look nonchalant.

Don’t know but it’s girl code to watch out for your mates. Also found it strange in earlier documentary that SC was sat with glass of wine on every shot, might just be staged by film crew but looked odd

 

[MummyRatcliffe]

Perhaps SC was 'influenced' by someone in the pub to leave it alone. After all, it is likely that one or more POIs was in there on Thurs night trying to look nonchalant.

True, also I think you yozzer pointed out that after being stood up SC could very well have been p****d off with CL and that's why she didn't try her house. If my "sister"/best friend let me down with no call or text to explain I'd be p*****d off and wouldn't call in either MOO

 

[Yozzer]

Don’t know but it’s girl code to watch out for your mates. Also found it strange in earlier documentary that SC was sat with glass of wine on every shot, might just be staged by film crew but looked odd

We don't know how it played out on Thurs night in the pub do we? There could have been a big distraction thing going on to avoid SC talking about CL, topping up her glass regularly etc. I think she was dissuaded from contacting her and now she feels guilty.

 

[Williow52]

I agree she looks genuinely devastated (out of the two of them!)

 

[Yozzer]

True, also I think you yozzer pointed out that after being stood up SC could very well have been p****d off with CL and that's why she didn't try her house. If my "sister"/best friend let me down with no call or text to explain I'd be p*****d off and wouldn't call in either MOO

Not me but yes, that's another possibility. SC seemed to rely on CL for support and perhaps felt used on those occasions when she was dropped in favour of a better offer. A male in the pub (who claimed to be a long standing acquaintance of CL) and much to JK's disgust, told the newspapers CL was renowned for dropping people with whom she was drinking, to go off with some male who had suddenly texted her in the same room.

 

[MummyRatcliffe]

I agree she looks genuinely devastated (out of the two of them!)

I feel SC was genuinely a good friend to CL and can't see her knowing completely what happened to her. She may have her suspicions but I don't think she knows for sure.

In the documentary she sounded a little bit like she was in awe of CL, the way she talked about her, she'd never had a friend like her etc. I think she loved it that younger, attractive CL had chosen her to be her best friend, and if the nags was a bit of an old man's pub I'm sure CL and co. received a lot of flattering attention all MOO

 

[keep-it-real]

We don't know how it played out on Thurs night in the pub do we? There could have been a big distraction thing going on to avoid SC talking about CL, topping up her glass regularly etc. I think she was dissuaded from contacting her and now she feels guilty.

I wonder what time SC left the Nags did she go home that night or stay over at the nags.. did she drive home, get a taxi or a lift from afriend

 

[Williow52]

Could it be that she had someone staying over that night who wasn’t ‘free’, wife/girlfriend turns up in morning as he is about to give her lift to work, knocked down in mad rage?

 

[Popejohn3]

Are you referring to 'mystery boyfriend' Claudia had spent all night with when speaking to David Oxer or someone different

Mistry boyfriend