UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #6

[An_Owl]

Yes but this observer (MS?) would witness the eye contact between MS and a male, followed by text messages, followed by her leaving. If he had already bought her a drink, maybe he felt a bit used and abused whereas she might not have wanted to refuse his offer of a drink out of politeness. The lift arrangement was his way of connecting with her in the pub. All this said, I don't believe he was involved.

I’m curious about what the atmosphere was like in the NH in the weeks and months after March ‘09 and whether some of those often mentioned in press coverage of this case continued to go there.

 

[MajorLang]

Possibly but given the personalities of the these type of men they derive entertainment from crass and snide remarks especially against women who have the attention of another males...
If a women shows she bothered about what they said they would laugh it off and make fun of that with more jibes and jeers..
MS probably frequented this pub because Claudia did but why PL did is beyond me

Perhaps the only way to see his daughter

 

[MajorLang]

Possibly but given the personalities of the these type of men they derive entertainment from crass and snide remarks especially against women who have the attention of another males...
If a women shows she bothered about what they said they would laugh it off and make fun of that with more jibes and jeers..
MS probably frequented this pub because Claudia did but why PL did is beyond me

Perhaps the only way to see his daughter

Reading between the lines of your posts and blog, it’s clear that you have a strong sense of the course of events in this case.

Do you think that there are others who also share that strong sense, but who are themselves frightened of said person(s) to this day? Either physically frightened or else frightened of being implicated?

I wonder how many NH regulars drifted away from there in the months subsequently.

Well we know that the Landlord drifted away as did Ray Mellor the chef albeit a while after. It was interesting that Ray was very annoyed and more than upset when he returned from his holiday. I suspect that even the Perps are frightened of a higher chain. If substances were involved that would be.

 

[MajorLang]

I’m curious about what the atmosphere was like in the NH in the weeks and months after March ‘09 and whether some of those often mentioned in press coverage of this case continued to go there.

According to their FB pages-which they have now locked down they still do.

 

[MummyRatcliffe]

But it appears he is a very caring guy working for a mental heath organistion and part time samaritan he also took care of his mother and gave up his sats to take her out. This is just the sort of guy that Claudia would have felt she could confide in and I am pretty sure she would have shared things with him that she wouldnt have shared with SC and JK

I'm sorry that was an insensitive comment to make, and of course he could have been the nicest person with the best personality. I was going off purely physical attraction and how I couldn't imagine a good looking woman like CL finding him physically attractive, but if we take into consideration some of the exes we know about it appears CL didn't consider looks to be a priority in choosing a mate. MOO

 

[MummyRatcliffe]

Perhaps MS was the disgruntled-sounding 'acquaintance' of CL from the Nag's Head who gave the interview with the Mail about how she would be drinking with you one minute then her phone would go and someone across the pub had texted and she'd go off with them, without so much as a by your leave.

Very true, I would assume this could absolutely be MS. I thought this could have been AC as @moonsafari mentioned, a long time ago on this thread, that AC would talk about her in a derogatory way in front of her friends who would sit silently while he slated CL. MOO

 

[MummyRatcliffe]

Possibly but given the personalities of the these type of men they derive entertainment from crass and snide remarks especially against women who have the attention of another males...
If a women shows she bothered about what they said they would laugh it off and make fun of that with more jibes and jeers..
MS probably frequented this pub because Claudia did but why PL did is beyond me

Sorry who's PL? I get confused with all the initials lol. You could give me clues or PM me if it's not ok to say. Thanks

Sorry I seen majorlangs response and worked out who PL was... Duh! Sorry guys

 

[Andyboy]

Sorry who's PL? I get confused with all the initials lol. You could give me clues or PM me if it's not ok to say. Thanks

Sorry I seen majorlangs response and worked out who PL was... Duh! Sorry guys

Her dad

 

[keep-it-real]

Yes but this observer (MS?) would witness the eye contact between MS and a male, followed by text messages, followed by her leaving. If he had already bought her a drink, maybe he felt a bit used and abused whereas she might not have wanted to refuse his offer of a drink out of politeness. The lift arrangement was his way of connecting with her in the pub. All this said, I don't believe he was involved.

He may not be involved directly but in the course of the investigation enquiries move from the house to friends pub and work and he has a connection to all and correct me if im wrong but he owned a ford focus and was known to give her a lift to work..
The investigation concentrates on a lover ...take away the lover connection and consider if he or he knew someone that were doing something at the college that was underhand or unlawful and confided in CL ..did CL tell DO and in turn DO tell MS what he knew and who told him

 

[keep-it-real]

I’m curious about what the atmosphere was like in the NH in the weeks and months after March ‘09 and whether some of those often mentioned in press coverage of this case continued to go there.

Im curious that with the tech the police have at their disposal eg phone taps, listening devices, access to phone/mble records and phone movements, vehicle tracking devices that nearly 11 years later they still havent managed to gather enough evidence to bring a prosecutionon any of the POI's

 

[Popejohn3]

Yes but this observer (MS?) would witness the eye contact between MS and a male, followed by text messages, followed by her leaving. If he had already bought her a drink, maybe he felt a bit used and abused whereas she might not have wanted to refuse his offer of a drink out of politeness. The lift arrangement was his way of connecting with her in the pub. All this said, I don't believe he was involved.

The eye contact could simply be “ please help he’s boring me !”

 

[Popejohn3]

According to their FB pages-which they have now locked down they still do.

The clientele of a pub changes on a daily basis morning noon and night .
Few stay in the pub all day also you could have six off duty policemen that meet there once a week perhaps and I’m sure the dodgy ones would avoid that day

 

[Popejohn3]

Im curious that with the tech the police have at their disposal eg phone taps, listening devices, access to phone/mble records and phone movements, vehicle tracking devices that nearly 11 years later they still havent managed to gather enough evidence to bring a prosecutionon any of the POI's

Perhaps the accumulating evidence is proving they did not do it ?

 

[Popejohn3]

I'm sorry that was an insensitive comment to make, and of course he could have been the nicest person with the best personality. I was going off purely physical attraction and how I couldn't imagine a good looking woman like CL finding him physically attractive, but if we take into consideration some of the exes we know about it appears CL didn't consider looks to be a priority in choosing a mate. MOO

I repeat ( sorry ) beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that includes when looking in a mirror!

 

[Andyboy]

Maybe when she had consumed a few drinks she became less selective, beauty in the eye of the beer-holder maybe

 

[keep-it-real]

In most common law jurisdictions a missing person can be declared dead in absentia after 7 years ..
does anyone know at what stage if at all the public can have access to police case records on that persons disappearance?

 

[Popejohn3]

In most common law jurisdictions a missing person can be declared dead in absentia after 7 years ..
does anyone know at what stage if at all the public can have access to police case records on that persons disappearance?

The case is still active probably never

 

[keep-it-real]

The case is still active probably never

Is that a convenient way to wrap things up I wonder..

 

[Andyboy]

Is that a convenient way to wrap things up I wonder..

That is why sites like this are important, helps keep the pressure up to get it solved

 

[keep-it-real]

That is why sites like this are important, helps keep the pressure up to get it solved

And why PL has said he feels social media will play an important part going forward