UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #6

[keep-it-real]

I would think: yes, maybe exact the same person. Idk, how much time there was between the 2 sightings?
Btw: AFAIK, the man in the bus surveillance was also wearing a hoodie ..... Idk, at what time he entered the bus.

The times given are approximate 5.35am on melrose gate bridge 6.05 on University Road

 

[keep-it-real]

I would think: yes, maybe exact the same person. Idk, how much time there was between the 2 sightings?
Btw: AFAIK, the man in the bus surveillance was also wearing a hoodie ..... Idk, at what time he entered the bus.
The dark combat trousers, which are mentioned: The alley man on surveillance was wearing something like that too, it was assumed.
I can't put the times together in a logically way.

The newspaper article says 'the passenger seen getting on the 5.93am Coastliner service at East Parade bears striking similarities to the man involved in the argument'.
If as the article suggests he bears a similarity to the seen arguing with the woman on Univeristy road at approx 6.05 then this man is unlikely to be the arguing man, as its a 22 minute walk from University Road.
Police release images of bus passenger in hunt for missing chef Claudia Lawrence

 

[Andyboy]

I'm sure I read somewhere that bus man was identified and ruled out of any wrongdoing

 

[Popejohn3]

The times given are approximate 5.35am on melrose gate bridge 6.05 on University Road

Makes her late for work

 

[Andyboy]

I don't think she ever left her house for work that morning, she was not seen by the cctv in the house opposite, or any cctv cameras in various locations on her route to work or positively identified by anyone up and about that time in the morning, I think the only way she left the house was through the back door probably already dead as nobody heard her shouting or screaming and her body was put in a vehicle for disposal, why the police took 6 years to check the alley behind her house is mind boggling, but the fact they did it in the end and also turned over her home looking for dna and fingerprints means I believe they think the same as me, I think if she left the house either on foot or in a car it is very unlikely she wouldn't have been spotted by any person or any cctv cameras

 

[Pinkizzy]

I guess the police should focus their efforts on the criminal world, someone will probably break their silence for a huge price.

 

[Popejohn3]

I don't think she ever left her house for work that morning, she was not seen by the cctv in the house opposite, or any cctv cameras in various locations on her route to work or positively identified by anyone up and about that time in the morning, I think the only way she left the house was through the back door probably already dead as nobody heard her shouting or screaming and her body was put in a vehicle for disposal, why the police took 6 years to check the alley behind her house is mind boggling, but the fact they did it in the end and also turned over her home looking for dna and fingerprints means I believe they think the same as me, I think if she left the house either on foot or in a car it is very unlikely she wouldn't have been spotted by any person or any cctv cameras

This camera across the road had to be very unreliable...if it picked her up going into her house,it would have picked up anyone one else going into her house hours / days before her or after picking her going in .

 

[Popejohn3]

I guess the police should focus their efforts on the criminal world, someone will probably break their silence for a huge price.

Do you know this ‘criminal world’ you mentioned, any idea what is or was the most criminal act they’ve ever done ?

 

[Andyboy]

This camera across the road had to be very unreliable...if it picked her up going into her house,it would have picked up anyone one else going into her house hours / days before her or after picking her going in .

They could have entered the house via the rear, and it's not just that camera, there are numerous cameras dotted about, plus there may also be private ones we are not aware of, yet she is on none of them, I think therefore her leaving via the back of the property is the most viable option

 

[keep-it-real]

I don't think she ever left her house for work that morning, she was not seen by the cctv in the house opposite, or any cctv cameras in various locations on her route to work or positively identified by anyone up and about that time in the morning, I think the only way she left the house was through the back door probably already dead as nobody heard her shouting or screaming and her body was put in a vehicle for disposal, why the police took 6 years to check the alley behind her house is mind boggling, but the fact they did it in the end and also turned over her home looking for dna and fingerprints means I believe they think the same as me, I think if she left the house either on foot or in a car it is very unlikely she wouldn't have been spotted by any person or any cctv cameras

As you know I like to keep an open mind on every possibility.
So being March has dark nites and dark mornings Claudia would have had her lights on on the evening of the 18th and morning of the 19th even if she kept her curtains closed it would still be possible to see a light on ( you just have to look down your street and you will see homes with curtains closed and lights on). So I if the the private CCTV across the road was working it could at least confirm when her lights were on and off on the evening of the 18th and morn of 19th.
IF there is private CCTV footage of theses dates it has not been made public so I decided to take a look at the video of cctv footage from the bus on 18th March at approx 9.01pm as it turns into Heworth road.
Its a fast video when your looking for detail so much so its given me a mind fog from replaying it so many times. I would be interested if other sleuths could replay the video and see if they think CL's lights are on. A more interesting part of the video to me is that there is a large black truck parked right outside CL's half on half off the pavement. Freeze the video at 0.30 and you will see a dark male approach the drivers side, freeze it at 0.31 and I see the dark male and possibly two females one with them appears long length light hair standing beside the truck. freeze it at 0.32 the fair haired female looks to be hurrying from the group back to the pavement.
There is also a car parked in front of the truck any thought on the colour?
Is this an important connection to CL's disappearance.
And surely the bus driver would have had a good look at these people and what they appeared to be doing.
I would suggest you replay from 0.27 each time and not go directly from frame to frame as this only led to confusing me.
I would appreciate what From Germanys take is on the video too as he had a similar take to me on previous analysis of a photo

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[Popejohn3]

They could have entered the house via the rear, and it's not just that camera, there are numerous cameras dotted about, plus there may also be private ones we are not aware of, yet she is on none of them, I think therefore her leaving via the back of the property is the most viable option

If we are not aware of some cctv we cannot be sure she is not on them
Also that truck from the bus video was eliminated .
The private cctv opposit was I believe aimed at the from garden because garden ornaments were going missing and therefore that camera probably caught just the lower half of ( probably !) Claudia going into her house at the right time she was sighted.and it was fair to assume it was her.
Now if she left in the morning as planned and a car / bus taxi what ever was parked outside her house or simply passing her house at the same time she left for work she would not have been seen.
I believe there is a fair bit of road before the next cctv and that’s when she got into someone’s car .

 

[keep-it-real]

If we are not aware of some cctv we cannot be sure she is not on them
Also that truck from the bus video was eliminated .
The private cctv opposit was I believe aimed at the from garden because garden ornaments were going missing and therefore that camera probably caught just the lower half of ( probably !) Claudia going into her house at the right time she was sighted.and it was fair to assume it was her.
Now if she left in the morning as planned and a car / bus taxi what ever was parked outside her house or simply passing her house at the same time she left for work she would not have been seen.
I believe there is a fair bit of road before the next cctv and that’s when she got into someone’s car .

Apparrently the private CCtv across the road was prone to poor quality because of the effects of condensation on the window.
thankyou for confirming the truck was eliminated I havent seen this reported could you send me the link to confirm this for me.
What about the persons that appeared around the truck did they get out of the car parked in front of the truck? I think they did. I know the bus cctv doesnt show the car clearly but I wondered if the bus driver recollected the car's colour .. was it dark red?
From the video did you think CL's lights were on

 

[Popejohn3]

Apparrently the private CCtv across the road was prone to poor quality because of the effects of condensation on the window.
thankyou for confirming the truck was eliminated I havent seen this reported could you send me the link to confirm this for me.
What about the persons that appeared around the truck did they get out of the car parked in front of the truck? I think they did. I know the bus cctv doesnt show the car clearly but I wondered if the bus driver recollected the car's colour .. was it dark red?
From the video did you think CL's lights were on

I cannot make head or tails of it I’m afraid my equipment is no way good enough.Ill leave it to others

 

[Pinkizzy]

The buscam shows the street light shining on a white door for the white house

 

[Deleted member 102539]

As you know I like to keep an open mind on every possibility.
So being March has dark nites and dark mornings Claudia would have had her lights on on the evening of the 18th and morning of the 19th even if she kept her curtains closed it would still be possible to see a light on ( you just have to look down your street and you will see homes with curtains closed and lights on). So I if the the private CCTV across the road was working it could at least confirm when her lights were on and off on the evening of the 18th and morn of 19th.
IF there is private CCTV footage of theses dates it has not been made public so I decided to take a look at the video of cctv footage from the bus on 18th March at approx 9.01pm as it turns into Heworth road.
Its a fast video when your looking for detail so much so its given me a mind fog from replaying it so many times. I would be interested if other sleuths could replay the video and see if they think CL's lights are on. A more interesting part of the video to me is that there is a large black truck parked right outside CL's half on half off the pavement. Freeze the video at 0.30 and you will see a dark male approach the drivers side, freeze it at 0.31 and I see the dark male and possibly two females one with them appears long length light hair standing beside the truck. freeze it at 0.32 the fair haired female looks to be hurrying from the group back to the pavement.
There is also a car parked in front of the truck any thought on the colour?
Is this an important connection to CL's disappearance.
And surely the bus driver would have had a good look at these people and what they appeared to be doing.
I would suggest you replay from 0.27 each time and not go directly from frame to frame as this only led to confusing me.
I would appreciate what From Germanys take is on the video too as he had a similar take to me on previous analysis of a photo

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I can't see something useful atm. I will try once more .....

0:32
Are there 2 people standing to the right side of car (street)? One person maybe standing to the left side (footpath)?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I think, in the bus surveillance video (see above) there is perhaps 1 person standing, where I marked it with a yellow X.
Btw: Was this alley between the Nag's and Claudia ever searched, just as thoroughly like the alley behind Claudia's home?

 

[Pinkizzy]

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I think, in the bus surveillance video (see above) there is perhaps 1 person standing, where I marked it with a yellow X.
Btw: Was this alley between the Nag's and Claudia ever searched, just as thoroughly like the alley behind Claudia's home?

Can you show Claudia's house near the street lamp?

 

[Andyboy]

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I think, in the bus surveillance video (see above) there is perhaps 1 person standing, where I marked it with a yellow X.
Btw: Was this alley between the Nag's and Claudia ever searched, just as thoroughly like the alley behind Claudia's home?

If past form is anything to go by probably wasn't searched until quite some time later

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Can you show Claudia's house near the street lamp?

Do you mean this view by day?

 

[Popejohn3]

I can't see something useful atm. I will try once more .....
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0:32
Are there 2 people standing to the right side of car (street)? One person maybe standing to the left side (footpath)?

I can't see something useful atm. I will try once more .....
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0:32
Are there 2 people standing to the right side of car (street)? One person maybe standing to the left side (footpath)?

i understand that these cars/ people are an overflow of NH clientele apparently it was a busy night