UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #7

[Popejohn3]

Very odd indeed!! Considering that you need to be missing 24 hours before the plods will normally do owt...

She was missing for 48 hours

 

[MEKON]

what time did she go missing? 6 am when she didnt show up for her shift?

Keepitreal posted a video on weds the 1st of April at 5:01 pm.

If you look at the video at approx 1 minute and 50 seconds in. It looks to me if that's Claudia walking to walk. It's titled the 19th of March and looks like it's obviously early morning

Have a look and see what you think

 

[MEKON]

what time did she go missing? 6 am when she didnt show up for her shift?

Keepitreal posted a video on weds the 1st of April at 5:01 pm.

If you look at the video at approx 1 minute and 50 seconds in. It looks to me if that's Claudia walking to walk. It's titled the 19th of March and looks like it's obviously early morning

Have a look and see what you think

 

[MEKON]

what time did she go missing? 6 am when she didnt show up for her shift?

Keepitreal posted a video on weds the 1st of April at 5:01 pm.

If you look at the video at approx 1 minute and 50 seconds in. It looks to me if that's Claudia walking to walk. It's titled the 19th of March and looks like it's obviously early morning

Have a look and see what you think

what time did she go missing? 6 am when she didnt show up for her shift?

 

[SimeonOPatrick]

I'll credit Langy once again because im sure the explanation was from his old blog. He seemed to have a good suggestion about the quick Police response. It was due to Claudia already being on the Police radar . Wasn't there a report of her being bundled into a car shortly before Claudia went missing. Furthermore; Claudia may of knowingly or unknowingly been caught up with an individual or individuals involved in crime

Never ever heard a report of her previously being bundled into a car.... That has never been stated by the police. If it has then can we see the evidence please? As ole Trump would say " it's false news". Does anyone think that CL would contemplate walking to work on a dark morning if someone had recently tried to bundle her in a car and she had the offer by her mum of a lift to work?

 

[SimeonOPatrick]

She was missing for 48 hours

We know that now but they would have been unaware that she was missing for 48 hrs when they first unlocked her front door and found that she was not at home. Just because someone has not turned into work for two shifts does not make them a missing person, it means they are AWOL. Which again leads me to wonder what the policy of the uni is/was on staff simply not turning in for work? I know they had attempted to call CL to establish why she was not in for work but where is their duty of care to their emloyee? Would they not contact her NOK to establish if she was okay?... Poor show on behalf of the uni I'd say!

 

[SimeonOPatrick]

Keepitreal posted a video on weds the 1st of April at 5:01 pm.

If you look at the video at approx 1 minute and 50 seconds in. It looks to me if that's Claudia walking to walk. It's titled the 19th of March and looks like it's obviously early morning

Have a look and see what you think

I'm sure the plods and their highly skilled ppl will have looked at the cctv in great detail and ruled this out as CL..... If it had been CL they would have issued that and stated that she definitely left her house on this date at this time and here is the CCTV that proves it.... However the plods lead us to believe that they still are unsure if she spent the night somewhere other than her own home. I sincerely do not think that however incompetent the police have been with the investigation that they would be so foolish to throw out red herrings to confuse the public whom they are relying on to assist with solving the mystery and bring CL home and the guilty to justice!

 

[Popejohn3]

We know that now but they would have been unaware that she was missing for 48 hrs when they first unlocked her front door and found that she was not at home. Just because someone has not turned into work for two shifts does not make them a missing person, it means they are AWOL. Which again leads me to wonder what the policy of the uni is/was on staff simply not turning in for work? I know they had attempted to call CL to establish why she was not in for work but where is their duty of care to their emloyee? Would they not contact her NOK to establish if she was okay?... Poor show on behalf of the uni I'd say!

Last ‘human’ contact was around 8:30 pm
on the Wednesday then all day Thursday .Friday evening ? Dad and landlord open her door !
Very unlike her to keep away from work and not make a phone call .

 

[MajorLang]

Im trying to be absolutely sure PJ.. David Oxer did not say on the Missing or Murdered programme that it wasnt her casual boyfriend that she was out with on the nite of the 16th he just says she went out with a male friend.
The presenter then says 'The Police' believed Claudia had a casual boyfriend at the time but believed the person she spoke to DO about was someone else.
So are the police basing the fact that she had a boyfriend on what they were told by Dan her ex.
No one else friends or family has offered up a name or existence of a boyfriend.
I would have to consider if the only source of this info came from the ex and theres nothing else to substantiate it I would not close this line of investigation in my file.
They say the devil is in the detail and I want to get to finer details but examing things right back to source. Someone may have slipped and I want to be sure I followed it through until I add it to research line.
I havent been able to find any documentation that DO said she had a casual boyfriend just that police said she did.
If anyone has a link to documented evidence of it being different if they could link it here I would be grateful.

Was she not dating one of the 4 arrested whilst he was already in a relationship with one of Her female friends and did this provide if not a motive, a heated situation that ended in her death, accidental that then resulted in a cover up.
Claudia was also reported to be helping a friend with a relationship issue.
Her sister Ali states Claudia have this as a reason for not meeting her.
She was also helping JK with a personal issue the weekend prior to her disappearance.
Following offering this help to both and individually, Claudia stayed away from the Nags head, perhaps because she would have to face to face the troubled couple. Embarrassing for all.
Was Claudia the "Double Agent" possibly helping both partners in the same relationship and Claudia herself being the cause of the rift? IMO.
It also explains Claudias last text to JK, where she was using and avoiding strategy to not meet her by saying"working 12 days on the trot" We now know that this text was not a truthful representation of Claudia's future schedule.
This would then explain DCI Malyns comments regarding those close to her knowing what had happened and his obvious frustration at the CPS for not allowing him to charge those people due to not having sufficient evidence that would definitely result in their conviction.
This also explains many of JKs bragging statements in the media:
"If I knew who murdered her I would drag them screaming to the police"-Would she still do this if it was an accident?
and
"I hope she was gone before she hit the ground"
Again suggesting knowledge of an accident.
Also
"I want my Claudette back-so that we can put her back together"
Did this suggest that Claudia had gone off the rails-a relationship, drink problem, taking cocaine-Nags Head was being watched by drugs squad at the time and this is why Police call to action following Claudia disappearance was so immediate.
As well as

"Claudia was a knob but she was our knob"
All very strange things to say Jennifer???

There are many theories but IMO this is the most likely.

I also believe that the alley man cctv was set up to deflect attention towards Alistair Cooper. He was not one of Claudia favourite drinking friends but I don't believe he was involved. It would have been in the interest of the perpetrators to frame him.
Whoever was alleyman would know that they would be caught on cctv.
Did Cooper get a message from Claudia or from someone to frame him?and also to anonymously report the following to deflect attention:

Left handed smoker at Melrosegare bridge sub station.
Couple arguing by Marion car near to university.

Spotted backpack, never discovered in university grounds.

All of the above sightings were most likely reported to police by the perpetrators anonymously.

This case is not rocket science guys unless you get dragged into red herring conversations and theories put on here either for mischief or worse still by the perpetrators.
All of Claudia Nags Head friends know what happened.
I believe that her father now knows also as he will have been told so by police.
The reason he and SOME of Claudia friends stay associated to the suspected perpetrators is in case one of them lets something slip.

So my message to the killers is this:

"Whatever Claudia did to annoy you, however she died. If you were a friend and if you still believe that you are a decent human being. Stop claiming airtime in the media and start talking to the police"

 

[MajorLang]

Sorry about sucking eggs etc but you’ll be surprised what a “decade “ means to different people

Yes a decade will be a very long time for family and friends
Perhaps even a longer time for those that killed her
Or would that equate to the same?

 

[MajorLang]

I know it's a statistic for the USA and the % is probably slightly different in the UK. But in 2011 the FBI said that 79% of murders are committed by a person the victim knew

100% in this case @MEKON

 

[Popejohn3]

Was she not dating one of the 4 arrested whilst he was already in a relationship with one of Her female friends and did this provide if not a motive, a heated situation that ended in her death, accidental that then resulted in a cover up.
Claudia was also reported to be helping a friend with a relationship issue.
Her sister Ali states Claudia have this as a reason for not meeting her.
She was also helping JK with a personal issue the weekend prior to her disappearance.
Following offering this help to both and individually, Claudia stayed away from the Nags head, perhaps because she would have to face to face the troubled couple. Embarrassing for all.
Was Claudia the "Double Agent" possibly helping both partners in the same relationship and Claudia herself being the cause of the rift? IMO.
It also explains Claudias last text to JK, where she was using and avoiding strategy to not meet her by saying"working 12 days on the trot" We now know that this text was not a truthful representation of Claudia's future schedule.
This would then explain DCI Malyns comments regarding those close to her knowing what had happened and his obvious frustration at the CPS for not allowing him to charge those people due to not having sufficient evidence that would definitely result in their conviction.
This also explains many of JKs bragging statements in the media:
"If I knew who murdered her I would drag them screaming to the police"-Would she still do this if it was an accident?
and
"I hope she was gone before she hit the ground"
Again suggesting knowledge of an accident.
Also
"I want my Claudette back-so that we can put her back together"
Did this suggest that Claudia had gone off the rails-a relationship, drink problem, taking cocaine-Nags Head was being watched by drugs squad at the time and this is why Police call to action following Claudia disappearance was so immediate.
As well as

"Claudia was a knob but she was our knob"
All very strange things to say Jennifer???

There are many theories but IMO this is the most likely.

I also believe that the alley man cctv was set up to deflect attention towards Alistair Cooper. He was not one of Claudia favourite drinking friends but I don't believe he was involved. It would have been in the interest of the perpetrators to frame him.
Whoever was alleyman would know that they would be caught on cctv.
Did Cooper get a message from Claudia or from someone to frame him?and also to anonymously report the following to deflect attention:

Left handed smoker at Melrosegare bridge sub station.
Couple arguing by Marion car near to university.

Spotted backpack, never discovered in university grounds.

All of the above sightings were most likely reported to police by the perpetrators anonymously.

This case is not rocket science guys unless you get dragged into red herring conversations and theories put on here either for mischief or worse still by the perpetrators.
All of Claudia Nags Head friends know what happened.
I believe that her father now knows also as he will have been told so by police.
The reason he and SOME of Claudia friends stay associated to the suspected perpetrators is in case one of them lets something slip.

So my message to the killers is this:

"Whatever Claudia did to annoy you, however she died. If you were a friend and if you still believe that you are a decent human being. Stop claiming airtime in the media and start talking to the police"

I would

Was she not dating one of the 4 arrested whilst he was already in a relationship with one of Her female friends and did this provide if not a motive, a heated situation that ended in her death, accidental that then resulted in a cover up.
Claudia was also reported to be helping a friend with a relationship issue.
Her sister Ali states Claudia have this as a reason for not meeting her.
She was also helping JK with a personal issue the weekend prior to her disappearance.
Following offering this help to both and individually, Claudia stayed away from the Nags head, perhaps because she would have to face to face the troubled couple. Embarrassing for all.
Was Claudia the "Double Agent" possibly helping both partners in the same relationship and Claudia herself being the cause of the rift? IMO.
It also explains Claudias last text to JK, where she was using and avoiding strategy to not meet her by saying"working 12 days on the trot" We now know that this text was not a truthful representation of Claudia's future schedule.
This would then explain DCI Malyns comments regarding those close to her knowing what had happened and his obvious frustration at the CPS for not allowing him to charge those people due to not having sufficient evidence that would definitely result in their conviction.
This also explains many of JKs bragging statements in the media:
"If I knew who murdered her I would drag them screaming to the police"-Would she still do this if it was an accident?
and
"I hope she was gone before she hit the ground"
Again suggesting knowledge of an accident.
Also
"I want my Claudette back-so that we can put her back together"
Did this suggest that Claudia had gone off the rails-a relationship, drink problem, taking cocaine-Nags Head was being watched by drugs squad at the time and this is why Police call to action following Claudia disappearance was so immediate.
As well as

"Claudia was a knob but she was our knob"
All very strange things to say Jennifer???

There are many theories but IMO this is the most likely.

I also believe that the alley man cctv was set up to deflect attention towards Alistair Cooper. He was not one of Claudia favourite drinking friends but I don't believe he was involved. It would have been in the interest of the perpetrators to frame him.
Whoever was alleyman would know that they would be caught on cctv.
Did Cooper get a message from Claudia or from someone to frame him?and also to anonymously report the following to deflect attention:

Left handed smoker at Melrosegare bridge sub station.
Couple arguing by Marion car near to university.

Spotted backpack, never discovered in university grounds.

All of the above sightings were most likely reported to police by the perpetrators anonymously.

This case is not rocket science guys unless you get dragged into red herring conversations and theories put on here either for mischief or worse still by the perpetrators.
All of Claudia Nags Head friends know what happened.
I believe that her father now knows also as he will have been told so by police.
The reason he and SOME of Claudia friends stay associated to the suspected perpetrators is in case one of them lets something slip.

So my message to the killers is this:

"Whatever Claudia did to annoy you, however she died. If you were a friend and if you still believe that you are a decent human being. Stop claiming airtime in the media and start talking to the police"

just one point : the pack bag was reported to the NH people and they advised him to go to the police !

 

[Popejohn3]

Was she not dating one of the 4 arrested whilst he was already in a relationship with one of Her female friends and did this provide if not a motive, a heated situation that ended in her death, accidental that then resulted in a cover up.
Claudia was also reported to be helping a friend with a relationship issue.
Her sister Ali states Claudia have this as a reason for not meeting her.
She was also helping JK with a personal issue the weekend prior to her disappearance.
Following offering this help to both and individually, Claudia stayed away from the Nags head, perhaps because she would have to face to face the troubled couple. Embarrassing for all.
Was Claudia the "Double Agent" possibly helping both partners in the same relationship and Claudia herself being the cause of the rift? IMO.
It also explains Claudias last text to JK, where she was using and avoiding strategy to not meet her by saying"working 12 days on the trot" We now know that this text was not a truthful representation of Claudia's future schedule.
This would then explain DCI Malyns comments regarding those close to her knowing what had happened and his obvious frustration at the CPS for not allowing him to charge those people due to not having sufficient evidence that would definitely result in their conviction.
This also explains many of JKs bragging statements in the media:
"If I knew who murdered her I would drag them screaming to the police"-Would she still do this if it was an accident?
and
"I hope she was gone before she hit the ground"
Again suggesting knowledge of an accident.
Also
"I want my Claudette back-so that we can put her back together"
Did this suggest that Claudia had gone off the rails-a relationship, drink problem, taking cocaine-Nags Head was being watched by drugs squad at the time and this is why Police call to action following Claudia disappearance was so immediate.
As well as

"Claudia was a knob but she was our knob"
All very strange things to say Jennifer???

There are many theories but IMO this is the most likely.

I also believe that the alley man cctv was set up to deflect attention towards Alistair Cooper. He was not one of Claudia favourite drinking friends but I don't believe he was involved. It would have been in the interest of the perpetrators to frame him.
Whoever was alleyman would know that they would be caught on cctv.
Did Cooper get a message from Claudia or from someone to frame him?and also to anonymously report the following to deflect attention:

Left handed smoker at Melrosegare bridge sub station.
Couple arguing by Marion car near to university.

Spotted backpack, never discovered in university grounds.

All of the above sightings were most likely reported to police by the perpetrators anonymously.

This case is not rocket science guys unless you get dragged into red herring conversations and theories put on here either for mischief or worse still by the perpetrators.
All of Claudia Nags Head friends know what happened.
I believe that her father now knows also as he will have been told so by police.
The reason he and SOME of Claudia friends stay associated to the suspected perpetrators is in case one of them lets something slip.

So my message to the killers is this:

"Whatever Claudia did to annoy you, however she died. If you were a friend and if you still believe that you are a decent human being. Stop claiming airtime in the media and start talking to the police"

Are you saying her friend’s partner is The Casual boyfriend ?

 

[MajorLang]

I would

just one point : the pack bag was reported to the NH people and they advised him to go to the police !

Yes but how do we know that the Nags head person didn't make this story of the reported back pack up?

 

[MajorLang]

Are you saying her friend’s partner is The Casual boyfriend ?

If we believe the new boyfriend story, then yes.
I wouldn't believe a word that David Oder uttered. The 12 month wait to report something so crucial does not sit well with me or others.
Her friends partner fitted the middle aged, "no oil painting" self employed and monied "Builder" type that Claudia appeared to be attracted to.

 

[keep-it-real]

Was she not dating one of the 4 arrested whilst he was already in a relationship with one of Her female friends and did this provide if not a motive, a heated situation that ended in her death, accidental that then resulted in a cover up.
Claudia was also reported to be helping a friend with a relationship issue.
Her sister Ali states Claudia have this as a reason for not meeting her.
She was also helping JK with a personal issue the weekend prior to her disappearance.
Following offering this help to both and individually, Claudia stayed away from the Nags head, perhaps because she would have to face to face the troubled couple. Embarrassing for all.
Was Claudia the "Double Agent" possibly helping both partners in the same relationship and Claudia herself being the cause of the rift? IMO.
It also explains Claudias last text to JK, where she was using and avoiding strategy to not meet her by saying"working 12 days on the trot" We now know that this text was not a truthful representation of Claudia's future schedule.
This would then explain DCI Malyns comments regarding those close to her knowing what had happened and his obvious frustration at the CPS for not allowing him to charge those people due to not having sufficient evidence that would definitely result in their conviction.
This also explains many of JKs bragging statements in the media:
"If I knew who murdered her I would drag them screaming to the police"-Would she still do this if it was an accident?
and
"I hope she was gone before she hit the ground"
Again suggesting knowledge of an accident.
Also
"I want my Claudette back-so that we can put her back together"
Did this suggest that Claudia had gone off the rails-a relationship, drink problem, taking cocaine-Nags Head was being watched by drugs squad at the time and this is why Police call to action following Claudia disappearance was so immediate.
As well as

"Claudia was a knob but she was our knob"
All very strange things to say Jennifer???

There are many theories but IMO this is the most likely.

I also believe that the alley man cctv was set up to deflect attention towards Alistair Cooper. He was not one of Claudia favourite drinking friends but I don't believe he was involved. It would have been in the interest of the perpetrators to frame him.
Whoever was alleyman would know that they would be caught on cctv.
Did Cooper get a message from Claudia or from someone to frame him?and also to anonymously report the following to deflect attention:

Left handed smoker at Melrosegare bridge sub station.
Couple arguing by Marion car near to university.

Spotted backpack, never discovered in university grounds.

All of the above sightings were most likely reported to police by the perpetrators anonymously.

This case is not rocket science guys unless you get dragged into red herring conversations and theories put on here either for mischief or worse still by the perpetrators.
All of Claudia Nags Head friends know what happened.
I believe that her father now knows also as he will have been told so by police.
The reason he and SOME of Claudia friends stay associated to the suspected perpetrators is in case one of them lets something slip.

So my message to the killers is this:

"Whatever Claudia did to annoy you, however she died. If you were a friend and if you still believe that you are a decent human being. Stop claiming airtime in the media and start talking to the police"

Thank you for your post just a few things could you please post the links to to the reports/articles to substanitate of them Ive searched but am unable to find either of these actually being said :-
(a) Claudia was also reported to be helping a friend with a relationship issue.
(b) Her sister Ali states Claudia have this as a reason for not meeting her

 

[keep-it-real]

If we believe the new boyfriend story, then yes.
I wouldn't believe a word that David Oder uttered. The 12 month wait to report something so crucial does not sit well with me or others.
Her friends partner fitted the middle aged, "no oil painting" self employed and monied "Builder" type that Claudia appeared to be attracted to.

If that was her preferred type wouldnt the huge construction site on the college campus would also offer opportunities to meet numerous men that fit this type

 

[MajorLang]

Thank you for your post just a few things could you please post the links to to the reports/articles to substanitate of them Ive searched but am unable to find either of these actually being said :-
(a) Claudia was also reported to be helping a friend with a relationship issue.
(b) Her sister Ali states Claudia have this as a reason for not meeting her

I uncovered this information as part of my research in the last year. I may well have the links somewhere but I'm afraid I don't have time to locate them
Both JK and sister Ali discloses this time the media.

 

[keep-it-real]

I uncovered this information as part of my research in the last year. I may well have the links somewhere but I'm afraid I don't have time to locate them
Both JK and sister Ali discloses this time the media.

OK perhaps you can retrieve them when you get time . I will continue to search for them online If I locate them I will post the links and update the forum until then I have to leave these two pieces of info as unsubstantiated

 

[MajorLang]

OK perhaps you can retrieve them when you get time . I will continue to search for them online If I locate them I will post the links and update the forum until then I have to leave these two pieces of info as unsubstantiated

I'm sure if you google you will find it