UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #7

[Andyboy]

It does help, but I wouldn't like to say who it was for definite

 

[keep-it-real]

If it is a box could it be a catering/cake box .. Did she ever bake goods and take them into work. Was someone celebrating a birthday at work and she had baked something to share there as a surpise. I suggested before that she may have baked for people to suppliment her income we know mothers day coming up had someone asked her to bake a cake for them for their mother, birthday wedding christening etc.

 

[Popejohn3]

I find it strange that Claudia didn't have access to the Internet if only to browse for holidays, clothes etc. I guess they know that her phone didn't have Internet capability. If she had a laptop or tablet at home she would have needed a phone line to connect. either by WiFi or dial up connection. That would seem easy to check, by her phone bill. That is if she had a phone line in the house. Also her bank statements would show if she bought anything online. Was PayPal a thing then?

Looks like Claudia had a tv with Teletext but on the way out then because of computers .
I used to check holidays using teletext !

 

[keep-it-real]

Looks like Claudia had a tv with Teletext but on the way out then because of computers .
I used to check holidays using teletext !

I can relate to that too PJ I also used Teletext holidays to search and book holidays. you would book over the phone they would then post you your booking confirmation so this could confirm that the item she was posting was signed holiday documents booked via teletext

 

[Deleted member 102539]

This might help Andy
1... points to persons head and face
2.. Points to whats shes carryingwith both hands.. possibly a white box
3.. Points to a rucksack
4.. Points to legwear

The proportions don't seem right, but why?

 

[Yozzer]

The proportions don't seem right, but why?

All I am seeing at the moment is the tree which has since been removed. I need to find the cctv which KIR refers to as I thought the figure/s visible were near to where the car leaves the shot, past no 41 heading towards the NH, not outside no 33 opposite Limes Court.

 

[Popejohn3]

I can relate to that too PJ I also used Teletext holidays to search and book holidays. you would book over the phone they would then post you your booking confirmation so this could confirm that the item she was posting was signed holiday documents booked via teletext

And if they were holiday documents and since there would not be any follow up plus her friends would have given details of their planned holiday police would have cancelled that assumption!

 

[keep-it-real]

The proportions don't seem right, but why?

I think distance and angle plays a part FG I havent altered it at all I just cleaned it up a little. Dont forget to take the pavement as where her feet would be.
You also need to allow the time delay in frames it doesnt give me a seamless frame to frame image
Someone with the correct software would get much better results.

 

[keep-it-real]

All I am seeing at the moment is the tree which has since been removed. I need to find the cctv which KIR refers to as I thought the figure/s visible were near to where the car leaves the shot, past no 41 heading towards the NH, not opposite Limes Court.

Are you talking about a possible parked vehicle and people parallel to heworth road that you spoke about earlier.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

We have heard the following before:
Cuba 'lover' in Claudia quiz

It appears Police were not convinced by this evidence.
But what about the mention of her computer????
All other press mentions have said that Claudia didn't use Social Media or even have a computer.

I believe that even her friends have stated she did not have a computer.
Any comments on this?

Jen, who lived with Claudia, would have known, if there was a computer. Unless CL bought a computer/laptop only, after Jen had been moving out.
What, if CL in the surveillance pic is taking her -white- laptop, on top of something other, out of home?

 

[Popejohn3]

Claudia worked at a few hotels - the quality hotel in picadilly and the monk bar in picadilly - where are these in relation to coney street? Do we know where he worked as a waiter?

no it’s because they’re not allowed to risk identifying them because identity is an issue and it’s an ongoing investigation thay could be jeopardised by naming the arrested people likely ...

Claudia worked at the the Kings Head pub kitchen at Malton and Gold Cup Inn in Low Catton East Yorkshire
Now if she met MT at Kings Head ,liz Holder might be able to confirm this because she too worked there as a waitress .
In 2005 claudia moved to York and started working at Monkbar Hotel again if she met MT there perhaps Anthony Newby could confirm this because he worked there as. Kitchen porter!
Obviously all these hotels would have a record of all their employees !

 

[Yozzer]

Are you talking about a possible parked vehicle and people parallel to heworth road that you spoke about earlier.

Yes.

 

[MajorLang]

This might help Andy
1... points to persons head and face
2.. Points to whats shes carryingwith both hands.. possibly a white box
3.. Points to a rucksack
4.. Points to legwear

This is a fantastic effort @keep-it-real and let's hope we get more quality of posts like this as this makes a real difference to the thread.
I could go as far as saying that it could be female or a male with long hair but not that it was Claudia.
I seem to recall that when I had seen enhanced footage on other social media threads that there was a scurry across the road of more than one person?

Did you identify others when looking at this?

 

[keep-it-real]

Claudia worked at the the Kings Head pub kitchen at Malton and Gold Cup Inn in Low Catton East Yorkshire
Now if she met MT at Kings Head ,liz Holder might be able to confirm this because she too worked there as a waitress .
In 2005 claudia moved to York and started working at Monkbar Hotel again if she met MT there perhaps Anthony Newby could confirm this because he worked there as. Kitchen porter!
Obviously all these hotels would have a record of all their employees !

Its def a line of enquiry that needs to be followed up..
One other thing I noticed when I was cruising up and down the area around Tang Hall Coop ( thank god for Google Street Maps 2009) Is that theres a Static cctv camera bang opposite shop! I find it hard to believe that footage of Tang Hall man leaving the shop and possibly getting into a vehicle couldnt have be captured on that.

 

[keep-it-real]

Yes.

When I get time I'll have a closer look see if anything shows up.
I find the light coloured car lets call it the ford focus interesting its indicating left even when approaching this spot then it continues to indicate left, if it was passing a vehicle you thought it would indicate right to maneuvere around it.

 

[keep-it-real]

This is a fantastic effort @keep-it-real and let's hope we get more quality of posts like this as this makes a real difference to the thread.
I could go as far as saying that it could be female or a male with long hair but not that it was Claudia.
I seem to recall that when I had seen enhanced footage on other social media threads that there was a scurry across the road of more than one person?

Did you identify others when looking at this?

I only looked at this figure as it was first that appeared in frame, I'll try and look for others when I get time, it takes some time and concentration.
If you try and use zoom or enlarge you can loose what you have captured so I tend to just try and clean up whats there.
Its true identification cannot always be 100% but if you compare her clothing to what she was wearing the day before on the melrose gate PO footage its very similar. You mentioned a white skirt but I think it looks like its a longline white tshirt shes seen wearing when leaving work and in the Melrosegate PO footage. Its worth noting.

 

[MajorLang]

Its def a line of enquiry that needs to be followed up..
One other thing I noticed when I was cruising up and down the area around Tang Hall Coop ( thank god for Google Street Maps 2009) Is that theres a Static cctv camera bang opposite shop! I find it hard to believe that footage of Tang Hall man leaving the shop and possibly getting into a vehicle couldnt have be captured on that.

I'm sure all cctv footage that was available was looked at by police to both eliminate and to capture suspects.
It's quite possible that some cctv footage has been kept from us and in some cases some cctv footage could have been "got at".
What is interesting about footage used for Aleyman, as has already been suggested is that it came from the Limes Car Park camera, rather than the closer to him cameras above reception.
Did police have control of the car park camera for covert ops already underway and was it that this footage could not be tampered with.
I do also have concerns over some of footage shown by police, lengthy cuts that whilst may have been undertaken so as only to show Aleymans activity, could have contained more useful activity.
I am also concerned that some footage from the same cameras has time stamp whilst others doesn't.
Whilst there is the case for preservation of evidence, I really do not believe that police can use the removal of a time stamp as a good reason for this. Ithas also been commented on here that when you examine the footage and in particular that without a time stamp, the daylight (time of day) conditions are contradictory to footage shown WITH time stamps.
Did the activity really happen at the time we are lead to believe that it did?
In this case there are a few scenarios that we could play out. the pressure police were under to find the culprit could easily have lead them to put MT in the frame and due to his previous he could have been prosecuted.
Equally, police could have declared abduction on the way to work.
At all times since the arrests of 4 POIs. Police have remained adamant that they know the culprits.
This is either very truthful or a cover up. If it is a cover up then we will never know.
I have attached photos of 2 cameras at Limes, facing up Heworth Place and would have shown if Alleyman went into alley or to a car or property in Heworth Place. It is also more likely that it would have shown a face on image of Alleyman.
Come on NYP. "Show and Tell" Or forever be accused of a cover up....

 

[Yozzer]

I'm sure all cctv footage that was available was looked at by police to both eliminate and to capture suspects.
It's quite possible that some cctv footage has been kept from us and in some cases some cctv footage could have been "got at".
What is interesting about footage used for Aleyman, as has already been suggested is that it came from the Limes Car Park camera, rather than the closer to him cameras above reception.
Did police have control of the car park camera for covert ops already underway and was it that this footage could not be tampered with.
I do also have concerns over some of footage shown by police, lengthy cuts that whilst may have been undertaken so as only to show Aleymans activity, could have contained more useful activity.
I am also concerned that some footage from the same cameras has time stamp whilst others doesn't.
Whilst there is the case for preservation of evidence, I really do not believe that police can use the removal of a time stamp as a good reason for this. Ithas also been commented on here that when you examine the footage and in particular that without a time stamp, the daylight (time of day) conditions are contradictory to footage shown WITH time stamps.
Did the activity really happen at the time we are lead to believe that it did?
In this case there are a few scenarios that we could play out. the pressure police were under to find the culprit could easily have lead them to put MT in the frame and due to his previous he could have been prosecuted.
Equally, police could have declared abduction on the way to work.
At all times since the arrests of 4 POIs. Police have remained adamant that they know the culprits.
This is either very truthful or a cover up. If it is a cover up then we will never know.
I have attached photos of 2 cameras at Limes, facing up Heworth Place and would have shown if Alleyman went into alley or to a car or property in Heworth Place. It is also more likely that it would have shown a face on image of Alleyman.
Come on NYP. "Show and Tell" Or forever be accused of a cover up....

I think NYP know and have interviewed alleyman but due to his denial and friends/family providing an alibi, have been unable to confirm it is him. Yes clearer footage would assist with identification and clarify where he went when he entered Heworth Place.

 

[Popejohn3]

I think NYP know and have interviewed alleyman but due to his denial and friends/family providing an alibi, have been unable to confirm it is him. Yes clearer footage would assist with identification and clarify where he went when he entered Heworth Place.

Therefore you are saying he is not the Embassy cig smoker ( they would have established that yes ?) and is not one of the unidentified finger prints found in her house !?

 

[keep-it-real]

This is a fantastic effort @keep-it-real and let's hope we get more quality of posts like this as this makes a real difference to the thread.
I could go as far as saying that it could be female or a male with long hair but not that it was Claudia.
I seem to recall that when I had seen enhanced footage on other social media threads that there was a scurry across the road of more than one person?

Did you identify others when looking at this?

Overnight I looked the section of the cctv video clip again, this is the clip from the Limes Court Carpark camera and shows the light coloured car lets say its a ford focus asthat have most people refer to it. Its only a a short clip as it shows the ford focus passing the entrance to Limes Court it gives only a short opportunity to capture any activity.
The female is standing on the pavement on corner of the entrance as before. (1)
On the opposite side of the road walking form right to left is a male unfortunately I cant upload a clear photo of him in one frame I would describe him as wearing a light coloured garment which has a dark body most likely a bodywarmer, dark trousers hes also wearing a large oversized across the body bag which is light coloured the position of the bag is in full view as it falls on the persons right side.
There is a another image of a male (2) I am able to capture him a and have attatched the photo but in doing so I have to loose some of the image of the female, her head shape and hair is still faintly visible see arrow (2), he is tall he wears a top garment with light sleeves and dark body, hes wearing light coloured trousers and is starting to cross the road.
I will point that when I was viewing the long shot of the breaking car on Heworth road later I noted that this tall man was walking down from the direction of one the houses that lined Heworth road I can see his clothing the body of his jacket is dark the sleeves are a brighter colour they appear yellow, his trousers are a light colour. He crosses the road after the ford focus passes.
The female begins the cross the road before he reaches the otherside, on reaching the other side of the road he continue walking right to left along the pavement and Lime Court Boundary brick wall.
I also noted that when the female crossed the road another person crossed the road too, he had not reached the spot where she was stood but did cross at a the same time. I am unable to see him in detail but he is wearing a large rucksack.
When later viewing the long shot footage of the breaking car on Heworth Road Its clear there was considerable activity on Heworth Road and would take up some pages to detail here.