UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #8

[Popejohn3]

Claudia lived in a house close by to Heworth Road In I believe Thirlmere Road, Heworth before purchasing the property in Heworth Road. Does JK say that she categorically lodged with Claudia at the Heworth Road house or at the one before that and did her Dad not also appear to be the owner of the previous house?
Did Claudia move to Heworth Road because of the proximity to the Nags Head?

Again good spot ,Jen might not have lived with her at Heworth

 

[Popejohn3]

Claudia lived in a house close by to Heworth Road In I believe Thirlmere Road, Heworth before purchasing the property in Heworth Road. Does JK say that she categorically lodged with Claudia at the Heworth Road house or at the one before that and did her Dad not also appear to be the owner of the previous house?
Did Claudia move to Heworth Road because of the proximity to the Nags Head?

Again good spot ,Jen might not have lived with her at Heworth

So if her relationship with DW ended Aug 2006 and fling with LH started end of 2006, did she know/befriend someone who frequented the Nag's e.g. SS who I think she knew via Cyprus holidays.

ss was one of the group who used to drink together at NH before he moved to Cyprus

 

[MajorLang]

"Who is this-Is this you"
When police made this appeal did they actually expect to get anyone stepping forward and would you be able to identify even yourself from this well disguised footage still? (Attached)
In a similar appeal at Tang Hall Co-oP and of the guy in the bus. No effort has been invested in disguising these characters.
I hear "evidence preservation" being shouted as the excuse for Alleymans photo being disguised but I hear silence when it comes to the other two sets of images-As @Yozzer states Bus man came forward to identify himself, we are told by police. But the bus times in cctv are in fact different times by 20 minutes and 9seconds
He boards the bus at 05:19 and it takes 20 minutes and 9 seconds for him to by a ticket as can be seen in attachments. Most likely a 9 second purchase.
The time stamp has been messed with-Again.
I have checked clearer images of these bus photos and there is definitely a discrepancy.
So why were police so keen to disguise to protect one image but so blatantly keen to show clear facial images of others to bring them forward.
And why the time stamp variance.

 

[MajorLang]

Deleted as a duplicate posting

 

[Deadbeat]

Can somebody please remind me who the Co Op guy is exactly?
I’m guessing he has either been traced or come forward much like the bus guy. Image is as clear as day.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Who says they were males ?

I thought, it must have been males, because I never heard of any noteworthy females except SC and JK. And if the partly Asian men at her door would have been new lodgers perhaps as assumed by someone, then there are males again ... MOO

 

[Popejohn3]

"Who is this-Is this you"
When police made this appeal did they actually expect to get anyone stepping forward and would you be able to identify even yourself from this well disguised footage still? (Attached)
In a similar appeal at Tang Hall Co-oP and of the guy in the bus. No effort has been invested in disguising these characters.
I hear "evidence preservation" being shouted as the excuse for Alleymans photo being disguised but I hear silence when it comes to the other two sets of images-As @Yozzer states Bus man came forward to identify himself, we are told by police. But the bus times in cctv are in fact different times by 20 minutes and 9seconds
He boards the bus at 05:19 and it takes 20 minutes and 9 seconds for him to by a ticket as can be seen in attachments. Most likely a 9 second purchase.
The time stamp has been messed with-Again.
I have checked clearer images of these bus photos and there is definitely a discrepancy.
So why were police so keen to disguise to protect one image but so blatantly keen to show clear facial images of others to bring them forward.
And why the time stamp variance.

I know very little about cameras but the ones in the premises or buses are very different , closer and probably more modern than the night time and more distant ones

 

[Popejohn3]

Can somebody please remind me who the Co Op guy is exactly?
I’m guessing he has either been traced or come forward much like the bus guy. Image is as clear as day.

No one knows who he is but someone on here sees a resembles to the rapist who got a prison sentence recently

 

[Popejohn3]

I thought, it must have been males, because I never heard of any noteworthy females except SC and JK. And if the partly Asian men at her door would have been new lodgers perhaps as assumed by someone, then there are males again ... MOO

We know Jen stayed with her for 11 months !

 

[Popejohn3]

On page 236 in Gone
It says Ann Askew , Claudia’s Aunty went on holiday with Peter !
Where did they go ? Did he lend his car to Claudia if he was not going to use it ?
And did she make the most of it and traveled far when not working ? What did he drive ? I bet she enjoyed driving a much better car ( I assume) than her old ‘banger ‘ ?
I read somewhere Peter had the use of a holiday home in South of France .
Did Claudia ever go there ?

 

[moonsafari]

It says it was highly likely she was taken anywhere between her house and melroegate !

It was mentioned to me that the bookies in all likelihood had CCTV too, perhaps only inside the building unless police have kept schtum for operational reasons. Perhaps the CCTV scope reached the left side of the road but not the right in which case combined, the CCTV sightings that cover the Heworth Road area provide clues as to the route people walking along it had made that evening/morning, and/or their starting point depending on their being filmed from the Lime Court cameras too, which may have been the only sectionally full spectrum camera view along Heworth Road at the time of Claudia's disappearance.
A decent quality camera with advanced zoom capabilities mounted from a high angle, perhaps an extremely high angle would mean barely any CCTV points in the future are necessary at all. I'm talking Google esque satellites to an extreme that probably did exist for non military purposes for a price in 2009. Then again I suppose there's something to be said about visible cameras and their psychological effect, on or off.
Satellite CCTV would indeed be conducive with something like individualised jet pack travel, but storing the data and powering the jetpacks could potentially be extremely energy intensive plus other quantum issues. Cameras from the ground pointing directly or thereabouts skywards is another logical possibility for this particular imagined future. Individualised microchip trackers/cameras, similar to those already used on family pets and endangered species, and devices like Google Glass, even more so.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

We know Jen stayed with her for 11 months !

I know. She doesn't count but other possible "lodgers", which were mentioned.

 

[Popejohn3]

On page 236 in Gone
It says Ann Askew , Claudia’s Aunty went on holiday with Peter !
Where did they go ? Did he lend his car to Claudia if he was not going to use it ?
And did she make the most of it and traveled far when not working ? What did he drive ? I bet she enjoyed driving a much better car ( I assume) than her old ‘banger ‘ ?
I read somewhere Peter had the use of a holiday home in South of France .
Did Claudia ever go there ?

Sorry missed the whole point of my post
He was on holiday three weeks before Claudia disappeared !

 

[Popejohn3]

It was mentioned to me that the bookies in all likelihood had CCTV too, perhaps only inside the building unless police have kept schtum for operational reasons. Perhaps the CCTV scope reached the left side of the road but not the right in which case combined, the CCTV sightings that cover the Heworth Road area provide clues as to the route people walking along it had made that evening/morning, and/or their starting point depending on their being filmed from the Lime Court cameras too, which may have been the only sectionally full spectrum camera view along Heworth Road at the time of Claudia's disappearance.
A decent quality camera with advanced zoom capabilities mounted from a high angle, perhaps an extremely high angle would mean barely any CCTV points in the future are necessary at all. I'm talking Google esque satellites to an extreme that probably did exist for non military purposes for a price in 2009. Then again I suppose there's something to be said about visible cameras and their psychological effect, on or off.
Satellite CCTV would indeed be conducive with something like individualised jet pack travel, but storing the data and powering the jetpacks could potentially be extremely energy intensive plus other quantum issues. Cameras from the ground pointing directly or thereabouts skywards is another logical possibility for this particular imagined future. Individualised microchip trackers/cameras, similar to those already used on family pets and endangered species, and devices like Google Glass, even more so.

Are you aware that even in 2009 the 1 billion plus pixel had been invented ?
The article ( reader’s digest ) said it was to record the stars but such cameras can be turned around on to a whole city / country and capable to go back in time ! I E you mark a few pixels say showing a particular car then play it back all the way to where the car started it’s journey !
Amazing!

 

[Popejohn3]

It was mentioned to me that the bookies in all likelihood had CCTV too, perhaps only inside the building unless police have kept schtum for operational reasons. Perhaps the CCTV scope reached the left side of the road but not the right in which case combined, the CCTV sightings that cover the Heworth Road area provide clues as to the route people walking along it had made that evening/morning, and/or their starting point depending on their being filmed from the Lime Court cameras too, which may have been the only sectionally full spectrum camera view along Heworth Road at the time of Claudia's disappearance.
A decent quality camera with advanced zoom capabilities mounted from a high angle, perhaps an extremely high angle would mean barely any CCTV points in the future are necessary at all. I'm talking Google esque satellites to an extreme that probably did exist for non military purposes for a price in 2009. Then again I suppose there's something to be said about visible cameras and their psychological effect, on or off.
Satellite CCTV would indeed be conducive with something like individualised jet pack travel, but storing the data and powering the jetpacks could potentially be extremely energy intensive plus other quantum issues. Cameras from the ground pointing directly or thereabouts skywards is another logical possibility for this particular imagined future. Individualised microchip trackers/cameras, similar to those already used on family pets and endangered species, and devices like Google Glass, even more so.

View attachment 247078For those without the book .incidentally be advised that if you buy the book 35% of royalties go to missing people charity !
I hope this extract makes it clear which is left and which is right! Not like some ‘weighted’ investigations where the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing !

 

[MajorLang]

It was mentioned to me that the bookies in all likelihood had CCTV too, perhaps only inside the building unless police have kept schtum for operational reasons. Perhaps the CCTV scope reached the left side of the road but not the right in which case combined, the CCTV sightings that cover the Heworth Road area provide clues as to the route people walking along it had made that evening/morning, and/or their starting point depending on their being filmed from the Lime Court cameras too, which may have been the only sectionally full spectrum camera view along Heworth Road at the time of Claudia's disappearance.
A decent quality camera with advanced zoom capabilities mounted from a high angle, perhaps an extremely high angle would mean barely any CCTV points in the future are necessary at all. I'm talking Google esque satellites to an extreme that probably did exist for non military purposes for a price in 2009. Then again I suppose there's something to be said about visible cameras and their psychological effect, on or off.
Satellite CCTV would indeed be conducive with something like individualised jet pack travel, but storing the data and powering the jetpacks could potentially be extremely energy intensive plus other quantum issues. Cameras from the ground pointing directly or thereabouts skywards is another logical possibility for this particular imagined future. Individualised microchip trackers/cameras, similar to those already used on family pets and endangered species, and devices like Google Glass, even more so.

@moonsafari
How's the Quantum Physics degree going

 

[MajorLang]

Sorry missed the whole point of my post
He was on holiday three weeks before Claudia disappeared !

But he came back and then she goes?

 

[Yozzer]

Again good spot ,Jen might not have lived with her at Heworth

She did live in the HR house. According to another article, it was following JK's relationship breakdown in 2007.

Suzy and Claudia were so close they rarely called each other by their first names, instead calling each other “sister”. While Jen, who was a barmaid at the pub, lived for a few months with Claudia in Heworth Road.
What happened to Claudia? - BBC News

 

[Eyes Wide Open]

Claudia lived in a house close by to Heworth Road In I believe Thirlmere Road, Heworth before purchasing the property in Heworth Road. Does JK say that she categorically lodged with Claudia at the Heworth Road house or at the one before that and did her Dad not also appear to be the owner of the previous house?
Did Claudia move to Heworth Road because of the proximity to the Nags Head?

Extract from a news article interviewing JK just over a year ago:-

"The friends met in 2006 when Jen started working as a barmaid at the Nags Head, a few doors from Claudia’s home in Heworth.
“The following year I ended up moving in with her when a relationship ended,” says Jen, who slips into the present tense from time to time as she talks of the pal she misses so much."

Although the cohabitation could cover the old or new residence, my vote goes to 46 HR because of its massive proximity to the Nag's. If it was Thirlmere Drive (as previously discussed there's no Thirlmere Road), then I don't see much convenience for either of them. MOO. Do you agree?

 

[Popejohn3]

She did live in the HR house. According to another article, it was following JK's relationship breakdown in 2007.

Suzy and Claudia were so close they rarely called each other by their first names, instead calling each other “sister”. While Jen, who was a barmaid at the pub, lived for a few months with Claudia in Heworth Road.
What happened to Claudia? - BBC News

I was very impressed with the bbc coverage that year .