UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #8

[Yozzer]

It's a good point @Popejohn3
Surely the easiest way for police to identify if a crime scene had been covered up would be lack of prints in certain areas rather than lots of prints.
But when was her house treat as a crime scene rather than the empty house of a missing person and how well had the scene been protected?

And would prints matter when the suspects have all been friends or associates and many will have admitted publicly (or privately to NYP) that they have been in her house before. Some might have had the presence of mind to realise this.

 

[Yozzer]

Because mine is not just a theory ... it’s based on a unknown fact !
It’s up to the police to do the prework then ask questions !
By asking the perpetrator/s questions on here, you’d be giving them plenty of time to come up with a suitable answer even though that answer could be a lie !

A fact or a supposition? How do you define 'fact'?

 

[Popejohn3]

Well what do you think of my theory then @Yozzer ?

 

[Yozzer]

If you want to know my theory listen to John Bowe YouTube podcast ... it’s like he is reading my mind ! But no idea where Malta came from ! I checked it’s nowhere near Cyprus though .

I watched this clip a couple of months ago. He comes across as very balanced and logical and his theories are that she either let someone into her house on the Wed evening, they had a chat then left or someone she knew picked her up on her way to work the next day. In both scenarios he thinks it was a lover or ex, who she may have rejected, who became obsessed and stalked her - and he believes that alley man is the culprit. Quite straightforward and mainstream theories. Except the police and some WS members believe he had assistance from friends/associates.
How does your theory differ?

 

[Yozzer]

Well what do you think of my theory then @Yozzer ?

I'm still waiting for you to share it.

 

[Popejohn3]

I watched this clip a couple of months ago. He comes across as very balanced and logical and his theories are that she either let someone into her house on the Wed evening, they had a chat then left or someone she knew picked her up on her way to work the next day. In both scenarios he thinks it was a lover or ex, who she may have rejected, who became obsessed and stalked her - and he believes that alley man is the culprit. Quite straightforward and mainstream theories. Except the police and some WS members believe he had assistance from friends/associates.
How does your theory differ?

I could not do a better job explaining my theory than John Bowe !
Btw he thinks that if she let someone in for a chat the same person came back later and abducted her on the way to work .
Strange though John Bowe does not even mention the NH once ?
Do you think that your mastermind criminal paid for his podcast as long as he does not mention the NH ? Says I in jest !
On the other hand and this is not in jest he might believe in your Occam’s razor thinking.

 

[Yozzer]

I could not do a better job explaining my theory than John Bowe !
Btw he thinks that if she let someone in for a chat the same person came back later and abducted her on the way to work .
Strange though John Bowe does not even mention the NH once ?
Do you think that your mastermind criminal paid for his podcast as long as he does not mention the NH ? Says I in jest !
On the other hand and this is not in jest he might believe in your Occam’s razor thinking.

Like I said, there is nothing unusual or different about his theories - or those of other tv investigators e.g. MacIntyre. Why do you describe the perpetrator as a 'mastermind'? I haven't suggested this. A combination of low levels of cctv, lack of an electronic footprint (computer/email) and a very close-knit and/or fearful community, have combined to make this case very difficult to crack. But he's no Moriarty.

 

[Inspector Evans]

Pope said last week he/she thought it was involving the mystery BF rather than any of the NH motley crew.

To me though it must've involved more than one person on the night/morning of 19th given the body disposal has worked out pretty well with no discovery in the next decade.

Wherever she is they did a pretty good job so hints at more than one individual unless she was just dropped in a river and there was crossing of fingers she'd make the sea.

 

[MajorLang]

It's a good point @Popejohn3
Surely the easiest way for police to identify if a crime scene had been covered up would be lack of prints in certain areas rather than lots of prints.
But when was her house treat as a crime scene rather than the empty house of a missing person and how well had the scene been protected?

 

[Yozzer]

Pope said last week he/she thought it was involving the mystery BF rather than any of the NH motley crew.

To me though it must've involved more than one person on the night/morning of 19th given the body disposal has worked out pretty well with no discovery in the next decade.

Wherever she is they did a pretty good job so hints at more than one individual unless she was just dropped in a river and there was crossing of fingers she'd make the sea.

I believe the mystery b/f is part of the same group but also knew CL from elsewhere.
You are quite right - it would be possible (especially in the morning lift to work scenario) to 'get rid' without the need for additional support. Which leads me to believe police have more info than we know about, perhaps linked with mobile phone activity of the others arrested.

 

[Yozzer]

@Popejohn3
Btw he thinks that if she let someone in for a chat the same person came back later and abducted her on the way to work .
If you look around the 8 min mark, he does share an either/or theory. Although he doesn't actually say they left the house together, it is implied: "he called at night, they chatted then left.....or something happened on the way to work...."
So he is offering up the 2 possible time frames which many of us have wrestled with.

 

[Andyboy]

Hedging his bets somewhat I'd say

 

[Popejohn3]

Pope said last week he/she thought it was involving the mystery BF rather than any of the NH motley crew.

To me though it must've involved more than one person on the night/morning of 19th given the body disposal has worked out pretty well with no discovery in the next decade.

Wherever she is they did a pretty good job so hints at more than one individual unless she was just dropped in a river and there was crossing of fingers she'd make the sea.

I agree with most of the above plus poss being harmed in his car then panicked and kept driving to somewhere remote say the moors !

 

[Popejohn3]

I believe the mystery b/f is part of the same group but also knew CL from elsewhere.
You are quite right - it would be possible (especially in the morning lift to work scenario) to 'get rid' without the need for additional support. Which leads me to believe police have more info than we know about, perhaps linked with mobile phone activity of the others arrested.

I sincerely hope the police put him in the right vicinity through his phone activity !

 

[Yozzer]

I agree with most of the above plus poss being harmed in his car then panicked and kept driving to somewhere remote say the moors !

But 4 - 15 hours later (depending on time of death) he was still hanging around near the murder scene to switch her phone off?
This is why police suspect a York person.

 

[Popejohn3]

Hedging his bets somewhat I'd say

Who ? Perpetrator or John ?

 

[Popejohn3]

But 4 - 15 hours later (depending on time of death) he was still hanging around near the murder scene to switch her phone off?
This is why police suspect a York person.

Very good thinking I’d say :What if she had something incriminating that belonged to him ?
He would have had her keys !Did she carry both keys ie front and back ?
Had she posted his ‘object’ the previous day ?
Did she tell him she did but he had to make sure ?
No not necessarily a York man !

 

[Yozzer]

@Popejohn3
Very good thinking I’d say :What if she had something incriminating that belonged to him ? Please elaborate.
He would have had her keys !Did she carry both keys ie front and back ? Are you suggesting he returned to the home of his victim after he had disposed of her on the Yorkshire Moors?
Had she posted his ‘object’ the previous day ? You have a lot of faith in Royal Mail.....ah is this the 'letter'. You need to elaborate further...

 

[Popejohn3]

@Popejohn3
Very good thinking I’d say :What if she had something incriminating that belonged to him ? Please elaborate.
He would have had her keys !Did she carry both keys ie front and back ? Are you suggesting he returned to the home of his victim after he had disposed of her on the Yorkshire Moors?
Had she posted his ‘object’ the previous day ? You have a lot of faith in Royal Mail.....ah is this the 'letter'. You need to elaborate further...

No she was probably in the boot of his car !

 

[Deadbeat]

I notice a lot of talk regarding alley man here. I’m reading Gone at the moment and I notice it says in there that he was later CONFIRMED as being the landlord of those properties. That he was thoroughly checked out by police and then died soon after. I’ve read an article online saying the same thing.

However, the book was written/published in 2013 and since then everything seems to contradict the theory of the alleyman being an innocent landlord doing some early morning checks. The police themselves are still enquiring for information about him and released unseen CCTV footage of him in 2015 (I think).

So what’s the general consensus here regarding him? I personally think it is NOT the landlord and is indeed linked to Claudia’s disappearance. The alleyway ran directly behind her house right?? I’m definitely thinking he’s a stalker. Seen there on the night before AND the morning of her disappearance? If he’s not the abductor then at the very least I believe he is an accomplice/lookout.