UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #9

[MajorLang]

The missing person.
Many say that her house was staged to look like she went to work that day and then the anonymous sightings of couple at Melrosegate bridge and arguing couple by car on University Road (Why would either of these two seoerate reported sightings remain anonymous) Along with back pack sighting in University grounds.

One of sightings the "other person" was reported smoking with their left hand and this was linked to a theory that the cigarette in her car was smoked by a left handed person
(Update-NUP Cold Case team have confirmed that they did not ascertain why hand cigarette was smoked with).
The DNA on cigarette was also not on a database.

So her house and events following as above suggest that the perps set her house up to look as though she left for work that morning.

The police it is believed treat the case as a missing persons case initially and then about -0 days later changed this to a potential murder enquiry.

Doea anyone know when the first forensics of her house would take place?
Would it be immediately or not having found any evidence of foul play in her hone, decided that it looked like a voluntary scene and so just conducted a thorough search?
Police would initially have dissmised a missing person as voluntary would they not if her access to cash and other countries was left behind?
Then there was the Immediacy of the "Call to action"
This was unprecedented for any police force given the age of Claudia.

The breaking car. Was this Oxer who saw something but was warned off and then a year later told what to say to stay alive? His statement on Media of not calling for her that morning and taking a longer route troubles me. You can still take the same route but not stop to give a lift, unless of course he didn't want to appear rude if he passed her. But then would his car have been identified from cctv.

Her phone has never been discovered but what we are told is that one of the last we texts to her phone was from Jen King. This was followed by a reply from Claudia that we know was in accurate about not only her work pattern but her availability for the next few days.
What texts did Jen follow up with? Was she angry because Claudia appeared to be giving her the brush off and had Claudia been acting as a "double agent" that weekend when she was reported by JK to be helping her with a problem and by Claudias sister as helping someone. Was she also helping JKs partner PRwith a problem and was Claudia the problem?

JK would know the house layout and Claudias from the time they lodged together, was likely to still have a key and if at a point in the evening the texts ceased JK would know that Claudia was sleeping.

Did a conversation take place between JK and PR "It's me or her"

In all of this, I find it unusual that JK has not been arrested, she will have been questioned and so she must have had an alibi for that evening.
I believe that one of the arrested provided JK with that Alibi.

Just a common expression that’s all

Just a common expression that’s all

couldnt have been said better by JKs friend SC @Popejohn3

 

[cortina]

since I became convinced that the woman spotted arguing with a man wasn't claudia, ive wondered if this was just planted

I can. understand, though not condone, why the man didn't come forward....fear of becoming a suspect...but I don't understand the woman.

yes, the driver not picking up claudia as usual is suspect.

this was an operation by several people...whether there was one person in her house or more.
going back...about the police dog finding her scent by the river...did they.follow it down to the river or did they take the dog to the river where they picked it up

Claudius mother is clearly popular in Malton and people probably felt that claudia was causing her grief

 

[Officer Dibble]

One of the POI's is a locksmith.

What?! That had totally passed me by. Please DM me which one if you can't say here.

 

[Officer Dibble]

The missing person.
Many say that her house was staged to look like she went to work that day and then the anonymous sightings of couple at Melrosegate bridge and arguing couple by car on University Road (Why would either of these two seoerate reported sightings remain anonymous) Along with back pack sighting in University grounds.

One of sightings the "other person" was reported smoking with their left hand and this was linked to a theory that the cigarette in her car was smoked by a left handed person
(Update-NUP Cold Case team have confirmed that they did not ascertain why hand cigarette was smoked with).
The DNA on cigarette was also not on a database.

So her house and events following as above suggest that the perps set her house up to look as though she left for work that morning.

The police it is believed treat the case as a missing persons case initially and then about -0 days later changed this to a potential murder enquiry.

Doea anyone know when the first forensics of her house would take place?
Would it be immediately or not having found any evidence of foul play in her hone, decided that it looked like a voluntary scene and so just conducted a thorough search?
Police would initially have dissmised a missing person as voluntary would they not if her access to cash and other countries was left behind?
Then there was the Immediacy of the "Call to action"
This was unprecedented for any police force given the age of Claudia.

The breaking car. Was this Oxer who saw something but was warned off and then a year later told what to say to stay alive? His statement on Media of not calling for her that morning and taking a longer route troubles me. You can still take the same route but not stop to give a lift, unless of course he didn't want to appear rude if he passed her. But then would his car have been identified from cctv.

Her phone has never been discovered but what we are told is that one of the last we texts to her phone was from Jen King. This was followed by a reply from Claudia that we know was in accurate about not only her work pattern but her availability for the next few days.
What texts did Jen follow up with? Was she angry because Claudia appeared to be giving her the brush off and had Claudia been acting as a "double agent" that weekend when she was reported by JK to be helping her with a problem and by Claudias sister as helping someone. Was she also helping JKs partner PRwith a problem and was Claudia the problem?

JK would know the house layout and Claudias from the time they lodged together, was likely to still have a key and if at a point in the evening the texts ceased JK would know that Claudia was sleeping.

Did a conversation take place between JK and PR "It's me or her"

In all of this, I find it unusual that JK has not been arrested, she will have been questioned and so she must have had an alibi for that evening.
I believe that one of the arrested provided JK with that Alibi.


couldnt have been said better by JKs friend SC @Popejohn3

With regards to your update re cigarette did you mean to type the word which instead of the word why?

 

[MajorLang]

The missing person.
Many say that her house was staged to look like she went to work that day and then the anonymous sightings of couple at Melrosegate bridge and arguing couple by car on University Road (Why would either of these two seoerate reported sightings remain anonymous) Along with back pack sighting in University grounds.

One of sightings the "other person" was reported smoking with their left hand and this was linked to a theory that the cigarette in her car was smoked by a left handed person
(Update-NUP Cold Case team have confirmed that they did not ascertain why hand cigarette was smoked with).
The DNA on cigarette was also not on a database.

So her house and events following as above suggest that the perps set her house up to look as though she left for work that morning.

The police it is believed treat the case as a missing persons case initially and then about -0 days later changed this to a potential murder enquiry.

Doea anyone know when the first forensics of her house would take place?
Would it be immediately or not having found any evidence of foul play in her hone, decided that it looked like a voluntary scene and so just conducted a thorough search?
Police would initially have dissmised a missing person as voluntary would they not if her access to cash and other countries was left behind?
Then there was the Immediacy of the "Call to action"
This was unprecedented for any police force given the age of Claudia.

The breaking car. Was this Oxer who saw something but was warned off and then a year later told what to say to stay alive? His statement on Media of not calling for her that morning and taking a longer route troubles me. You can still take the same route but not stop to give a lift, unless of course he didn't want to appear rude if he passed her. But then would his car have been identified from cctv.

Her phone has never been discovered but what we are told is that one of the last we texts to her phone was from Jen King. This was followed by a reply from Claudia that we know was in accurate about not only her work pattern but her availability for the next few days.
What texts did Jen follow up with? Was she angry because Claudia appeared to be giving her the brush off and had Claudia been acting as a "double agent" that weekend when she was reported by JK to be helping her with a problem and by Claudias sister as helping someone. Was she also helping JKs partner PRwith a problem and was Claudia the problem?

JK would know the house layout and Claudias from the time they lodged together, was likely to still have a key and if at a point in the evening the texts ceased JK would know that Claudia was sleeping.

Did a conversation take place between JK and PR "It's me or her"

In all of this, I find it unusual that JK has not been arrested, she will have been questioned and so she must have had an alibi for that evening.
I believe that one of the arrested provided JK with that Alibi.

Just a common expression that’s all

Just a common expression that’s all

couldnt have been said better by JKs friend SC @Popejohn3

What?! That had totally passed me by. Please DM me which one if you can't say here.

What?! That had totally passed me by. Please DM me which one if you can't say here.

Shane Ruane-Peter Ruanes brother was and still is a locksmith. Both were named POIs

 

[MajorLang]

With regards to your update re cigarette did you mean to type the word which instead of the word why?

Yes sorry @Officer Dibble Which is the correct word. Thanks for spotting this.

 

[MajorLang]

since I became convinced that the woman spotted arguing with a man wasn't claudia, ive wondered if this was just planted

I can. understand, though not condone, why the man didn't come forward....fear of becoming a suspect...but I don't understand the woman.

yes, the driver not picking up claudia as usual is suspect.

this was an operation by several people...whether there was one person in her house or more.
going back...about the police dog finding her scent by the river...did they.follow it down to the river or did they take the dog to the river where they picked it up

Claudius mother is clearly popular in Malton and people probably felt that claudia was causing her grief

@cortina My view of why no one has come forward is because the sighting didn't happen. This was a red herring thrown in by the Perps to make it look as though Claudia was taken on her way to work rather than police perhaps looking into where she had been that night.
So this is what we have-The originator of this sighting remains anon. No one comes forward and so strong material towards thinking that the occurrence existed only in the mind of the perps.

The same with the staging of her house to make it look as though she had been there but as Joan Lawrence observed, perhaps a little tidier than Claudia would have left it and that included the made bed???

George Foreman attending the scene was also an Oportunity for him to be able to claim that any dabs or dna recovered from forensics were from his once only visit to her house.

This of course may have been true.

JKs DNA would be all over the place and so again a good fall back position for her and for anyone who could claim that she had invited them to her house previously.

I seem to recall that someone had said that sometimes when a Nags Head lock in was not convenient for George Foreman that some would go back to Claudias house?

 

[Popejohn3]

since I became convinced that the woman spotted arguing with a man wasn't claudia, ive wondered if this was just planted

I can. understand, though not condone, why the man didn't come forward....fear of becoming a suspect...but I don't understand the woman.

yes, the driver not picking up claudia as usual is suspect.

this was an operation by several people...whether there was one person in her house or more.
going back...about the police dog finding her scent by the river...did they.follow it down to the river or did they take the dog to the river where they picked it up

Claudius mother is clearly popular in Malton and people probably felt that claudia was causing her grief

What do you mean if this was planted ?
Was it a complete lie or the couple were just acting ?

 

[Popejohn3]

@cortina My view of why no one has come forward is because the sighting didn't happen. This was a red herring thrown in by the Perps to make it look as though Claudia was taken on her way to work rather than police perhaps looking into where she had been that night.
So this is what we have-The originator of this sighting remains anon. No one comes forward and so strong material towards thinking that the occurrence existed only in the mind of the perps.

The same with the staging of her house to make it look as though she had been there but as Joan Lawrence observed, perhaps a little tidier than Claudia would have left it and that included the made bed???

George Foreman attending the scene was also an Oportunity for him to be able to claim that any dabs or dna recovered from forensics were from his once only visit to her house.

This of course may have been true.

JKs DNA would be all over the place and so again a good fall back position for her and for anyone who could claim that she had invited them to her house previously.

I seem to recall that someone had said that sometimes when a Nags Head lock in was not convenient for George Foreman that some would go back to Claudias house?

Yes sometimes people went to her house after hours !

 

[Popejohn3]

@cortina My view of why no one has come forward is because the sighting didn't happen. This was a red herring thrown in by the Perps to make it look as though Claudia was taken on her way to work rather than police perhaps looking into where she had been that night.
So this is what we have-The originator of this sighting remains anon. No one comes forward and so strong material towards thinking that the occurrence existed only in the mind of the perps.

The same with the staging of her house to make it look as though she had been there but as Joan Lawrence observed, perhaps a little tidier than Claudia would have left it and that included the made bed???

George Foreman attending the scene was also an Oportunity for him to be able to claim that any dabs or dna recovered from forensics were from his once only visit to her house.

This of course may have been true.

JKs DNA would be all over the place and so again a good fall back position for her and for anyone who could claim that she had invited them to her house previously.

I seem to recall that someone had said that sometimes when a Nags Head lock in was not convenient for George Foreman that some would go back to Claudias house?

@cortina My view of why no one has come forward is because the sighting didn't happen. This was a red herring thrown in by the Perps to make it look as though Claudia was taken on her way to work rather than police perhaps looking into where she had been that night.
So this is what we have-The originator of this sighting remains anon. No one comes forward and so strong material towards thinking that the occurrence existed only in the mind of the perps.

The same with the staging of her house to make it look as though she had been there but as Joan Lawrence observed, perhaps a little tidier than Claudia would have left it and that included the made bed???

George Foreman attending the scene was also an Oportunity for him to be able to claim that any dabs or dna recovered from forensics were from his once only visit to her house.

This of course may have been true.

JKs DNA would be all over the place and so again a good fall back position for her and for anyone who could claim that she had invited them to her house previously.

I seem to recall that someone had said that sometimes when a Nags Head lock in was not convenient for George Foreman that some would go back to Claudias house?

You seem to be implying that George Forman was in on it too Her father invited him in .

 

[Deleted member 102539]

since I became convinced that the woman spotted arguing with a man wasn't claudia, ive wondered if this was just planted

I can. understand, though not condone, why the man didn't come forward....fear of becoming a suspect...but I don't understand the woman.

yes, the driver not picking up claudia as usual is suspect.

this was an operation by several people...whether there was one person in her house or more.
going back...about the police dog finding her scent by the river...did they.follow it down to the river or did they take the dog to the river where they picked it up

Claudius mother is clearly popular in Malton and people probably felt that claudia was causing her grief

What, if there was a pair, Claudia plus 2 different man one after another? One with car, one without car. Both arguing with her for the similar reason. (I forgot: did the men and outfit look the same or not?).
What, if it wasn't Claudia and the two pairs had no interest, to talk to LE, because they knew Claudia, didn't like her and didn't want to help with outing themselves?

 

[Andyboy]

Just spoke to my friend at the cemetery regarding the majors cremation theory, he reckons very difficult but not impossible, apparently it is all computerised but you need to know what your doing, he said each time it is fired up and put into operation there is a record of it, couldn't be done first thing as would still be hot when operatives turn up for work and they fire it up daily for the days events, I asked about a weekend, especially a Sunday, he said that although the crematorium is shut there are still people working at the cemetery, he said the only way round it is when it's fired up after routine maintenance or repair, but would need one of the usual operatives to be on site, he said it usually takes about 2 hours to render a body to Ashes, although can take longer apparently depending on size of coffin, but it's usually about 2.5 hours maximum

 

[Popejohn3]

Just spoke to my friend at the cemetery regarding the majors cremation theory, he reckons very difficult but not impossible, apparently it is all computerised but you need to know what your doing, he said each time it is fired up and put into operation there is a record of it, couldn't be done first thing as would still be hot when operatives turn up for work and they fire it up daily for the days events, I asked about a weekend, especially a Sunday, he said that although the crematorium is shut there are still people working at the cemetery, he said the only way round it is when it's fired up after routine maintenance or repair, but would need one of the usual operatives to be on site, he said it usually takes about 2 hours to render a body to Ashes, although can take longer apparently depending on size of coffin, but it's usually about 2.5 hours maximum

Interesting

 

[MajorLang]

What do you mean if this was planted ?
Was it a complete lie or the couple were just acting ?

@Popejohn3 Thats such a nieve response.
If you make up a sighting no one has to be there to do any acting-Please.....

You seem to be implying that George Forman was in on it too Her father invited him in .

Again your naivety @Popejohn3
George had already knocked her door and would be the first person for Peter Lawrence to interact with.
I'm sure if George offered to accompany Him to Claudias home the offer would not be dismissed, particularly as Peter said in the media that when he entered her house he expected to find her ill or in a clasped state.
If this was the case he would need assistance.

 

[keep-it-real]

Interesting

Reminds me of a sign I saw outside a crematorium on the internet.... You Kill Em We Grill Em

 

[keep-it-real]

@Major What relationship if any did Robbie Campbell have with any of the NH crowd?

 

[cortina]

I think the sighting never happened and Claudius room was staged.

I can understand the her or me thing by jk, but all it would have taken would have been him to leave claudia alone.

if this was the motive, I don't think it was carefully planned...one. or both of. them went to see c and just lost it...so if we reckon. it was about 9 when others started turning up, it was a very efficient job.

maybe....the ultimate sitting on the fence theory....shed started blabbing about lots of things and lots of people saw her as dangerous in different ways

 

[Yozzer]

What?! That had totally passed me by. Please DM me which one if you can't say here.

SR
'a well respected and family-run locksmithing business'...apparently.

 

[Vixey]

@Major What relationship if any did Robbie Campbell have with any of the NH crowd?

I am not sure he did,as from Scotland originally.But Major probably knows x

 

[Yozzer]

According to the two accounts below from people who knew Claudia's daily routines, it wasn't uncommon for her to pop into the pub after work. I wonder if she did this on that Wednesday afternoon for a clandestine meeting?

Distraught friends fear missing university chef Claudia Lawrence has been abducted
JK: “She’s a creature of habit. She never shirked off her work, even when she was poorly she would go in until she was told to go home. She used to go to work and then come in here with us. She would never do anything out of the ordinary."
Linda Chapman: 'The last person to see missing chef Claudia Lawrence before her mysterious disappearance has spoken of her anguish. "She seemed her usual happy, cheery self then she disappeared round the corner. I presumed she was going home from work or maybe popping into the pub because she lives close to it."