UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #1

[Ironside]

Going back to this article
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19282...o-after-serving-last-meal-before-he-vanished/

Something made me go back and google the takeaway workers name and I found these articles -

http://worcesterobserver.co.uk/news/teenager-appears-court-sexual-assualt-charge-4754/
http://worcesterobserver.co.uk/news/turkish-teen-jailed-sexual-assault-worcester-6305/

It could of course be a complete coincidence that the takeaway owner is roughly the same age (based on 192.com and directors profiles) and has the same name but if it is the same person then I wouldn't trust him or anything he said with a bargepole. He mentioned Corrie being friends with an American, I can't see anything about USAF being in Honington but they are in Mildenhall and Lakenheath which are in the direction in which Corries phone was last pinged. Mentioning an American could have been to put police off the scent.

 

[mrazda71]

Going back to this article
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19282...o-after-serving-last-meal-before-he-vanished/

Something made me go back and google the takeaway workers name and I found these articles -

http://worcesterobserver.co.uk/news/teenager-appears-court-sexual-assualt-charge-4754/
http://worcesterobserver.co.uk/news/turkish-teen-jailed-sexual-assault-worcester-6305/

It could of course be a complete coincidence that the takeaway owner is roughly the same age (based on 192.com and directors profiles) and has the same name but if it is the same person then I wouldn't trust him or anything he said with a bargepole. He mentioned Corrie being friends with an American, I can't see anything about USAF being in Honington but they are in Mildenhall and Lakenheath which are in the direction in which Corries phone was last pinged. Mentioning an American could have been to put police off the scent.

According to the article though, upon release from jail he'll be deported so would he now be released? And not deported but working as your friendly take away man? You should be careful about making statements like this, saying someone is a convicted sex offender just because they're 'about the right age and have the same name' just in case it's not.

 

[Edinlass]

^^^ Ironise did state 'it could be a complete COINCIDENCE'

Wow

 

[Ironside]

I was hesitant to post it tbh and would emphasise again it could just be an unfortunate coincidence.

 

[mrazda71]

Moving on ... i've seen some suggestion of the Police doing a reconstruction. Whilst I this a good idea, do they usually do this at this stage in an investigation?

 

[mrazda71]

I was hesitant to post it tbh and would emphasise again it could just be an unfortunate coincidence.

Wasn't having a dig at you Ironside, just suggesting caution AND asking, wouldn't the one in the news article have been deported immediately after release?

 

[Ironside]

Wasn't having a dig at you Ironside, just suggesting caution AND asking, wouldn't the one in the news article have been deported immediately after release?

I know you weren't mrazda and if you had posted what I did I'm sure I'd respond the way you did. I'm very wary of people being accused wrongly.

Alas not everyone that is told they are getting deported gets deported instantly or at all.

 

[mrazda71]

I know you weren't mrazda and if you had posted what I did I'm sure I'd respond the way you did. I'm very wary of people being accused wrongly.

Alas not everyone that is told they are getting deported gets deported instantly or at all.

I'll admit, I'm not well researched in the deportation process but it's shocking to think that after being convicted of a sex offence that he wouldn't actually be deported. Yikes!

 

[shadwell]

Re the bike - been commented on previously upthread but apparently this is intended to challenge witness expectations of seeing CM on foot or in a vehicle, as has been suggested by reports up to now. It is not based on any new information.

 

[JamesKing]

The bike....


Whilst it is said that it has been mentioned to challenge the perception that he may not have been walking, it does produce the question "Where would he get a bike from ?".


But it seems "more than that". If it was to challenge the preconceived perceptions of how he travelled, then they could say he may have been riding a bike or on the back of a moped or hitch-hiking by the roadside and not walking at all. Yet the request is "to report to the police, if you find a discarded bike" (or words to that effect) Has there been a report of a stolen bike in the area ?


Club, beer, food, kip and home...


The timeline of "11.30pm to 1.20am" also seems unusual. Simply because, in the CCTV footage he looked to be staggering quite badly. And yet he had only been drinking for approx. an hour and a half. I have no idea what his tolerance to drink is. He was a fit lad. He lived on base. I doubt he was out drinking every night. Likely just at weekends...and only then, when he had the weekend off. Maybe he only drank "twice a month".
But the take-away worker knew him. That seems to indicate Corrie was a frequent visitor to Bury St Edmunds town centre. But what is "frequent" ?


Why had he left the club in the first place...and without his mates. As mentioned above by another poster, he may have decided to "kip" in the doorway so that he could wait for his mates coming out of the club. This seems logical. I assume he was out with a group of lads from the base. It is reported, he was "separated" from the group. Four guys sharing a taxi, would seem the logical thing to do.
He left the club early for some reason. He got a bite to eat. He got comfy so he could wait for his mates. He nodded off. (Footnote. I have two friends that "nod off" when drinking. And they are sat up at the time. And it can be a bugger to wake them).


The picture.....


It is reported that Corrie sent a picture to someone.
Not really "Who was the picture sent to", more "What was the picture of". It could have been an old picture that had previously been taken. It could have been "taken and sent" at the time. We don't know. Was it a joke picture ? A picture of the "fine dining" he'd just enjoyed. Or a picture of "the luxury hotel" he had just slept in ? Or was it "the mode of transport" he was now required to take, since his mates had buggered off and left him.


Lastly, the police keep on saying "there is, at present, no signs of criminality". Is this police lingo ? A fit and healthy, young, combat trained man has disappeared off the planet. And as sure as eggs are eggs, he hasn't gone AWOL. So, where ever he is or went to, I can bet he didn't want to go there.


The only guess I can make, with regard to that phrase, is.... the police believe, that is highly likely, an "accident" of some kind befell Corrie, on his way back to base.
Whoever the "third party(ies)" are, decided to "move" Corrie somewhere else. The accident may not have had any criminal intent at that time. But failing to report it and worse, if it was fatal, moving the victim and placing him somewhere where he would remain hidden for weeks and weeks, is a criminal act... and is intentional.

 

[suzyjackson]

The bike....


Whilst it is said that it has been mentioned to challenge the perception that he may not have been walking, it does produce the question "Where would he get a bike from ?".


But it seems "more than that". If it was to challenge the preconceived perceptions of how he travelled, then they could say he may have been riding a bike or on the back of a moped or hitch-hiking by the roadside and not walking at all. Yet the request is "to report to the police, if you find a discarded bike" (or words to that effect) Has there been a report of a stolen bike in the area ?


Club, beer, food, kip and home...


The timeline of "11.30pm to 1.20am" also seems unusual. Simply because, in the CCTV footage he looked to be staggering quite badly. And yet he had only been drinking for approx. an hour and a half. I have no idea what his tolerance to drink is. He was a fit lad. He lived on base. I doubt he was out drinking every night. Likely just at weekends...and only then, when he had the weekend off. Maybe he only drank "twice a month".
But the take-away worker knew him. That seems to indicate Corrie was a frequent visitor to Bury St Edmunds town centre. But what is "frequent" ?


Why had he left the club in the first place...and without his mates. As mentioned above by another poster, he may have decided to "kip" in the doorway so that he could wait for his mates coming out of the club. This seems logical. I assume he was out with a group of lads from the base. It is reported, he was "separated" from the group. Four guys sharing a taxi, would seem the logical thing to do.
He left the club early for some reason. He got a bite to eat. He got comfy so he could wait for his mates. He nodded off. (Footnote. I have two friends that "nod off" when drinking. And they are sat up at the time. And it can be a bugger to wake them).


The picture.....


It is reported that Corrie sent a picture to someone.
Not really "Who was the picture sent to", more "What was the picture of". It could have been an old picture that had previously been taken. It could have been "taken and sent" at the time. We don't know. Was it a joke picture ? A picture of the "fine dining" he'd just enjoyed. Or a picture of "the luxury hotel" he had just slept in ? Or was it "the mode of transport" he was now required to take, since his mates had buggered off and left him.


Lastly, the police keep on saying "there is, at present, no signs of criminality". Is this police lingo ? A fit and healthy, young, combat trained man has disappeared off the planet. And as sure as eggs are eggs, he hasn't gone AWOL. So, where ever he is or went to, I can bet he didn't want to go there.


The only guess I can make, with regard to that phrase, is.... the police believe, that is highly likely, an "accident" of some kind befell Corrie, on his way back to base.
Whoever the "third party(ies)" are, decided to "move" Corrie somewhere else. The accident may not have had any criminal intent at that time. But failing to report it and worse, if it was fatal, moving the victim and placing him somewhere where he would remain hidden for weeks and weeks, is a criminal act... and is intentional.

I'm pleased to see something happening at last and need to catch up on everything but the bolded point jumped out at me.

If you look back through the facebook group Corrie's uncle has made it clear on more that one post that Corrie was thrown out of the club by the bouncers as he was too druntk to be allowed to stay there. The uncle has been very firm about the point that whatever anyone thinks about Corrie's gait on the video they know for a fact that he was drunk and going home without his friends was totally normal behaviour for him. There was a post that said that the usual practice was for the group to text each other when they were going and if anyone didn't reply the assumption was to go without them (imo and reading between the lines these are young men, hooking up with someone after a night out would be a common occurance and no presssure for them all to go home together)

 

[JerricaBenton]

Where is the nearest body of water?

 

[Tricksy]

Where is the nearest body of water?

If he went the route I think is the quickest (grew up less than a mile away from the camp) I would have thought he'd go Northgate St then either cut by Tesco's and on to the A134 down to the turn off towards Gt Barton at Fornham St Martin, follow the road for about half a mile then turn left on the road to Gt Livermere, which is about 4 miles of dark, bendy road. At gt livermere he could follow the road to Troston then cut down the heath Lane to the camp.

The nearest body of water is Gt Livermere, but I don't see why he would need to go near there as it's back from the roads by a fair distance.

There are other small bodies of water I know of between Livermere, Honnington and Troston on farmland, but you would have to really cut across the fields and they tend to be in the middle of the woods.

I do wonder if someone picked him up on the A134, which is why his phone ended up where it did.

 

[Tricksy]

There is also the river lark in town, but again I wouldn't have expected him to go near that.

 

[JamesKing]

There are quite a few bodies of water, in that area, unfortunately.


The problem the police have is, there are no CCTV cameras on the "likely route" that Corrie could have taken out of Bury St Edmunds, heading towards RAF Honington.


There maybe "private CCTV" along that route. Homes, businesses, farms etc.
The problem is, it still quite "rare".
Information could be gained from what such equipment "saw" or "didn't, but should have seen". I imagine the police are undertaking searches of that material. And then "data mining" it, to see if there is a "cross reference" to a particular vehicle or a movement of a particular vehicle.


I think more should be made of "vehicle movements" after 8.00am on the Saturday.
Maybe people who should have been somewhere at "whatever time", but were more than "4 hours late". It might throw up something that could be cross referenced against the data the police are already "mining".

 

[DakotaMayi]

If he went the route I think is the quickest (grew up less than a mile away from the camp) I would have thought he'd go Northgate St then either cut by Tesco's and on to the A134 down to the turn off towards Gt Barton at Fornham St Martin, follow the road for about half a mile then turn left on the road to Gt Livermere, which is about 4 miles of dark, bendy road. At gt livermere he could follow the road to Troston then cut down the heath Lane to the camp.

The nearest body of water is Gt Livermere, but I don't see why he would need to go near there as it's back from the roads by a fair distance.

There are other small bodies of water I know of between Livermere, Honnington and Troston on farmland, but you would have to really cut across the fields and they tend to be in the middle of the woods.

I do wonder if someone picked him up on the A134, which is why his phone ended up where it did.

Thank you for this, its always good to have a local or someone familiar with the area to give their insight.

 

[JamesKing]

Hi there Tricksy


A quick question. What's the "local taxi driver" feeling on taking "squaddies" ?
In my younger days, I had "experience" of issues with "a local population" in specific areas, with regard to "young chaps out on the lash and a tad merry !".
Taxi and pub wise....some were "friendly" some were "not so". What was it like around there ?

 

[Tricksy]

Hi there Tricksy


A quick question. What's the "local taxi driver" feeling on taking "squaddies" ?
In my younger days, I had "experience" of issues with "a local population" in specific areas, with regard to "young chaps out on the lash and a tad merry !".
Taxi and pub wise....some were "friendly" some were "not so". What was it like around there ?

I couldn't tell you with certainty, as I haven't discussed it with them. But, as long as they weren't being sick in the taxi they would probably take them. Two main sources of cabs in bse - the taxi rank and private hire firms. I have seen rank taxi's refuse to take people who are really drunk. I remember a friend trying to get a female of about 18 -20 back to her home. She was hammered and had been sick and 12 rank taxis refused to take her and he had to guarantee he would pay for the cleaning of the cab were she to be sick.
In years gone by squaddies had a bad press as ta couple had done runners without paying, but central locking put paid to that!


I think, as long as no one was outwardly looking sick drunk, they could get one.
Eta: Hi by the way!

 

[DakotaMayi]

Sorry but what's squaddies? ...

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Sorry but what's squaddies? ...

Soldiers, basically, anyone in the armed forces