UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #1

[JamesKing]

Why would they refuse CCTV? Im doubtful

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Saw two reports.... and God knows it's chaos trying to find them again.....

One said (a female) that she was talking to a taxi driver on Friday who had offered his "taxi camera" footage previously as his camera had spotted Corrie EARLIER that evening. But the police refused it.
He was wondering if he should offer it again.

And another was something about CCTV from a resident of a road nearby, not sure where, (or something...couldn't quite follow it as it "facebook speak" !). And she said she was waiting for the police to call round. It was "a friend of a friend". And the subject was about the "lack of house-to-house" calls. Corrie was not (I believe) on that footage.

Anyone any good with facebook ? It should be there somewhere. It was this morning, sometime.

I think the point is....collect all data and look for "people", not necessarily the missing chap.

 

[Deleted member 178385]

I saw them both - will see if I can find them again.

The taxi driver one I think was refused because the police already had Corrie from another angle so didn't need his version as well.

Edit: Found one.

Edit: Think I've found the other one too

 

[JamesKing]

Well done ! That's one.

There was something about a resident also. Any luck finding that ?

 

[Deleted member 178385]

Well done ! That's one.

There was something about a resident also. Any luck finding that ?

I've added a second one to my previous post - is that it?

 

[hermes&&]

Well done ! That's one.

There was something about a resident also. Any luck finding that ?

Kirsty's footage (above) would be helpful. She's got to preserve it and get it to the police.

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[sandamanda]

Its such a shame that theres so many people just waiting for the go ahead to help out and search for Corrie just as the public are here for this poor lad after just 5 days,,, Its so frustrating but I guess what will be will be, they must have their reasons.


*Volunteers join search for missing student Antoine Maury
About 100 volunteers have joined police in Edinburgh in the search for a French student who has been missing since Monday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-37805568

 

[JamesKing]

Working on the "worse case scenario", I'd look at....
#1 Corrie was taken from the City Centre, possibly by car.
Therefore, that car or vehicle (and driver) had to enter the City Centre.

Short Brackland and Cannon Street are the worst areas, with regard to CCTV.
Routes then to there (prior to 3.25 ....and that's a lot of data) and from there (post 4.00 plus, again, lots of data) are worth looking thru. And that's "roads that lead to possible routes to there" (so, traffic camera's of the main routes).

Then "minus" vehicles that are recorded that night... and that can be traced...or leave the City (all of the city).

If you get what I mean !

 

[tarabull]

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot....

Where are you Corrie?!?!?!?

:candle:

 

[hermes&&]

Working on the "worse case scenario", I'd look at....
#1 Corrie was taken from the City Centre, possibly by car.
Therefore, that car or vehicle (and driver) had to enter the City Centre.

Short Brackland and Cannon Street are the worst areas, with regard to CCTV.
Routes then to there (prior to 3.25 ....and that's a lot of data) and from there (post 4.00 plus, again, lots of data) are worth looking thru. And that's "roads that lead to possible routes to there" (so, traffic camera's of the main routes)

If you get what I mean !

I Would say right through the night, no gaps. There is also software that can analyse video maybe they can use that

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[JamesKing]

I've added a second one to my previous post - is that it?

PERFECT !

That's the "two" !

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Does anyone else feel we are just going round and round in circles?

With no new information I can't see any progress being made, do the police know something that they aren't telling us and if so why aren't they saying. It ceratinly doesn't seem like they are keeping the family in the loop. Why no appeals for info, no warnings about fake taxis, no request for help with searches? It can't be that the Suffolk police are worse than other forces so why are they appearing not to be doing anything?

Yes! Going round in circles AND sawing sawdust.

I'm at the stage of thinking there is nothing more of value we can do until additional reliable information is released.

We're endlessly chewing over rumour and conjecture and it's frankly getting us nowhere.

So what's everyone having for dinner?

 

[JamesKing]

I Would say right through the night, no gaps. There is also software that can analyse video maybe they can use that

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I work in "algo's" now.
It's all weird stuff about human behaviour and patterns (but I find it interesting !).
But anyway...that's what they need to be doing. But you need "data" ...and lots of it.

If the police are "asking" but "not taking" HUGE amounts of data, then it's pointless.
And you have to "algo" it.

The Yorkshire Ripper is a case in point. They got "biased" down one route (the famous "tape").
But had they written algorithms for "the events", they have got him earlier. Infact, manually, they had...and they did. It was the "human element" that got in the way.

Data... never lies !

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Data... never lies !

Perhaps, but in 1980 there weren't the systems in place to even attempt that. With today's technology Jack the Ripper would almost certainly have been caught.

 

[JamesKing]

Perhaps, but in 1980 there weren't the systems in place to even attempt that. With today's technology Jack the Ripper would almost certainly have been caught.

Absolutely....and without a doubt.

BUT, the average "plod" constabulary is still doing the same (but maybe "more high tech").

They may say "it's resources". Maybe they are right.
The fact is "people DO disappear....but they DON'T by magic" and the key is, the "other person(s) involved" are traceable.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

BUT, the average "plod" constabulary is still doing the same (but maybe "more high tech").

The average plod has a rule book to go through, based on tried and tested experience and procedure. They have clearly followed that from young-man-goes-out-drinking-falls-in-river-and-drowns to well, whatever. They've seached his possible routes back to base, tracked a bin lorry, dug up a landfill and still bugger all.

With the benefit of the hindsight of what hasn't worked, what do you suggest they could have done, assumed or thought differently?

 

[hermes&&]

The average plod has a rule book to go through, based on tried and tested experience and procedure. They have clearly followed that from young-man-goes-out-drinking-falls-in-river-and-drowns to well, whatever. They've seached his possible routes back to base, tracked a bin lorry, dug up a landfill and still bugger all.

With the benefit of the hindsight of what hasn't worked, what do you suggest they could have done, assumed or thought differently?

If I may answer that great question. I believe they should have considered abduction as a real possibility from day one.

I say this as our enemies with whom we are currently in armed conflict ( from the air!) have repeatedly called for such abductions. Furthermore there has already been an attempt within half an hour drive .

Yes an accident was the most likely scenario at the beginning but they should have had a dual track..... Maybe they did. And they did say early that they thought a third party was involved.

I'm thinking of the statement early doors when the police said this has nothing to do with him being in the RAF. How could they say that then with no evidence to justify it.





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[MelmothTheLost]

If I may answer that great question. I believe they should have considered abduction as a real possibility from day one.

And I suspect they have been doing just that - behind the scenes.

I think we, the outsiders, have been looking at this as just another story of a young man getting drunk and coming to grief. However from the start I have thought there is a LOT going on behind the scenes that we don't know about precisely because of who Corrie is/was.

Others on this thread poo-poohed the idea very early on, but the reality is that, in view of recent reports and the general environment, the authorities would have been stupid in the extreme to write off the possibility of his abduction by ANY hostile force.

 

[hermes&&]

And I suspect they have been doing just that - behind the scenes.

I think we, the outsiders, have been looking at this as just another story of a young man getting drunk and coming to grief. However from the start I have thought there is a LOT going on behind the scenes that we don't know about precisely because of who Corrie is/was.

Others on this thread poo-poohed the idea very early on, but the reality is that, in view of recent reports and the general environment, the authorities would have been stupid in the extreme to write off the possibility of his abduction by ANY hostile force.

You're right, I think

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[JamesKing]

I may be boring people now ! If so, please say so. I will "curb it".

But I'll try and explain a rough thought.

This chap goes into an area of "no cctv" coverage. And then "he's gone". So we need to find out where.

That camera (the last one) has a "auto sweep" of 3 and a half minutes, per 5 sectors. So 42 seconds ish, per sector.
It is 2 minutes 48 seconds before it returns again. Then you have 42 seconds of coverage (if everything is set up as "the same time per sector", which I guess the council will do) then every camera will be doing the same.

The sweeps on the other cameras "maybe" the same, dependant on how many sectors they cover and the timed sweeps.

For each sector, it is better timing what the camera(s) can't see, rather than what they can. Remember, it is not about looking for Corrie, it's about looking for "what you can't see". Or "how long is it dark".

Again, the problem is "Short Brackland" going down...and "Cannon Street" (which is some bizarre One Way going on up to the small carpark there, then it reverses) which is totally "unseeable".

Forget finding his phone, if it was in the rubbish lorry, then it is likely that a months worth of rubbish will make that "unfindable" now.

So that's where "big data" comes in. And YES the police have gone along those lines (as far as they can, using the guidelines...which were set out in 2005, I think). But what are they doing with the data ?

Abduction is as likely as an accident. It was as on "day one".
But "everybody" says "it can't be terrorism" ! As if that is the only "abduction of a male case" that exists. That is bias and it probably has delayed the case somewhat.

 

[gregjrichards]

And I suspect they have been doing just that - behind the scenes.

I think we, the outsiders, have been looking at this as just another story of a young man getting drunk and coming to grief. However from the start I have thought there is a LOT going on behind the scenes that we don't know about precisely because of who Corrie is/was.

Others on this thread poo-poohed the idea very early on, but the reality is that, in view of recent reports and the general environment, the authorities would have been stupid in the extreme to write off the possibility of his abduction by ANY hostile force.

Would a hostile force who has abducted and/or killed Corrie wait over a month to capitalise on this for their own gain? If this was done by an ISIS sympathiser for example surely we would know from a propaganda video online or something. I'm leaning more to Corrie being attacked or involved in a hit and run and left for dead at the moment. It's a real mystery how he has vanished into thin air.

Thanks to all of you for your dedication to Corrie's case.