UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[TheTruthWillOut]

Someone has just posted a video of his route from club to bins on the Facebook page.

Can't see anything, Ruth. There is only the latest post that now has comments turned on and can't see a video?

 

[Ruthbullock]

Can't see anything, Ruth. There is only the latest post that now has comments turned on and can't see a video?

It's still on there, scroll down to Thursday posts - it must have just been accepted, but Facebook have reordered it. Doesn't show anything new, but puts the cctv into perspective in daylight.

 

[Deleted member 178385]

[video=youtube;ZOzWZADCR98]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOzWZADCR98[/video]

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Still can't see it Ruth. I don't have a Facebook account but I don't think it makes a difference for a public page.

Do you have the initials of who posted it? I see 3 posts from Thursday the 3rd if I scroll down the page to the bottom but none have a video and comments are off.

Edit: cj to the rescue! Don't know why I can't see it on the Facebook page...

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I'm still a little frustrated there are comments about searching the landfill. I know it likely means the Mildenhall recycling centre but these kind of details bother me. If I could comment without a Facebook account I would.

 

[JamesKing]

Well, the cctv camera (from the perspective of this daytime coverage) has no chance of seeing the red car currently parked up there....nor the big white van.

If anyone was parked up there, you wouldn't be using that place to relieve yourself.

So if he was going for a pee, it follows that there was no car parked there (at least with no one in it).
Speculating that, if he was attacked "there" and his phone was dumped in the bin "there" ....how does he get taken to a car (because it's likely there wasn't one there).

Whereas.... if there was a car parked there, with someone in it, then he wasn't going for a pee ! (if the phone was dumped in the bin).

 

[mrazda71]

[video=youtube;ZOzWZADCR98]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOzWZADCR98[/video]

I'm very much a visual, hands on person so this is great thanks.

So he walked past the pub (there's a bike leaning on/secured to the lamppost/bollard just as he bends down... then he carries on walking, sits in the doorway then wakes up and continues in the same direction? But stops and walks into the bike rack area ... hmmm

 

[Gene Hunt]

Just listening to Uncle Tonys last radio interview and he has said that there were 2 or 3 vehicles in the area at the time, one is the bin lorry, 1 vehicle still not identified and reports of 1 vehicle that drove the wrong way down the one way street.

Cannon street,it's one way for about 150 yards then becomes 2-way

 

[JamesKing]

Cannon street,it's one way for about 150 yards then becomes 2-way

And it's a straight run through from Short Brackland, rather than turning left, then right.
That time of night ? A local ? Or someone that knew it is possible as its not all One Way ???? Hmmm

 

[PurpleWitch]

Here's a useful map (for cyclists) showing the direction of traffic. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...2z3b9P9PUHfNnkDHA&sig2=87YWxWFiWsxqiS3Z_L6pzw

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

And it's a straight run through from Short Brackland, rather than turning left, then right.
That time of night ? A local ? Or someone that knew it is possible as its not all One Way ???? Hmmm

Going along with this maybe something like this happened:

Corrie is walking with purpose and a car parked near bins toots horn making Corrie stop and walk over tentatively
*something happens* Corrie in car and phone in the bin (or both in car and it goes similar route as bin lorry)
CCTV camera turns away
Car leaves
Possibly caught on private CCTV on Short Brackland

I can understand why the info of whether the CCTV turned away or not shortly after Corrie walked to the bins isn't being shared right now but until we do know we can't narrow possibilities down more. Given other info the family have shared though I think the CCTV turned away shortly after Corrie waked out of view.

Where I really get stuck with this right now is the private CCTV that the family seem to have found out about and seen yet the Suffolk Police didn't obtain it first. I really don't understand that at all.

 

[Amonet]

The police have said, in the ForcesTV piece with Nicola, that they have obtained higher resolution CCTV covering the same areas as some other lower res CCTV that they were offered, and it's the lower res stuff that they didn't pick up because they felt they already had that area covered. Higher res is likely to show a lot more detail than low res.

Can I just get a refresher on the timings for the video shown above? The entry on the video shows the corner where Corrie was walking past the bouncers with his takeaway food. Walking down from the 'bouncers corner' there's a pub(?) on the left, slightly set back from the street, and this is where Corrie bent down and seemed to pick something up? What was the timestamp on the CCTV that covered that section of his walk?

Can we see on this video where Corrie stopped to eat the food and dozed off?

It's also helpful on that video that it shows better that the bin area wasn't a walled off space with only a single point of egress. It's an open area set back from the pedestrian part of the street, with buildings on one side and three(?) possible routes of egress on the left (if we walk as the camera operator did on that video). And it was 3.25(?) when Corrie seemed to purposely head right toward the bins, yet we can't see the takeout wrapper with him. Corrie seemed cold but alert in that CCTV, but we don't have a reason for him to turn right into the bin area...because the more natural routes would be straight across or left to the routes of egress from the loading bay/bin area. Yes, it does look from that as if he's going in there for a reason, and we said that is probably for a pee...but if Corrie had arranged a lift back earlier in the night, that isn't a bad place to drive in, wait for the person you're picking up and turn around?

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

@Amonet

The bending down to pick something up was the ~1:20am footage
The doorway he slept/ate in is on the left of the car parked in the video @~33 seconds. I suspect the footage we haven't seen of Corrie in the doorway is a combination of Greenwoods CCTV and internal Hughes CCTV.

 

[JamesKing]

Going along with this maybe something like this happened:

Corrie is walking with purpose and a car parked near bins toots horn making Corrie stop and walk over tentatively
*something happens* Corrie in car and phone in the bin (or both in car and it goes similar route as bin lorry)
CCTV camera turns away
Car leaves
Possibly caught on private CCTV on Short Brackland

I can understand why the info of whether the CCTV turned away or not shortly after Corrie walked to the bins isn't being shared right now but until we do know we can't narrow possibilities down more. Given other info the family have shared though I think the CCTV turned away shortly after Corrie waked out of view.

Where I really get stuck with this right now is the private CCTV that the family seem to have found out about and seen yet the Suffolk Police didn't obtain it first. I really don't understand that at all.

Along those lines, I would be willing to speculate also.

But, I would also add in a possibility that instead of a car tooting to get his attention, he knew there would be a car parked there.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Along those lines, I would be willing to speculate also.

But, I would also add in a possibility that instead of a car tooting to get his attention, he knew there would be a car parked there.

But then I wonder about his 4 look around checks. Why would he do that for a pre-arranged lift?

 

[JamesKing]

If you go down the line of "a car parked in the loading area", then you can either speculate that there was.. ...

A. An immediate falling out between whoever and Corrie....and the attacker moved the body.
B. The attacker had pre-planned his attack....but it was pure "fortune" that someone turned up to pee.

And neither of those sit too easy with me.

C. The attacker pre-planned his attack as he knew Corrie would be there at 3.30am....

....thus explaining
#1 why it seems Corrie refused the offer of a lift from the USAF airman
#2 Why Corrie waited for 2 hours before getting up from the doorway, and
#3 The almost "precise time" of 3.30am


EDIT....
Question. Why would he do that for a pre-arranged lift?
Possible Answer. It may not have been a lift he was getting? There are plenty of taxis around.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

@James

I'm not quite understanding option C and the 3 explanations? Could you dumb it down for me a little?

i.e. If he refused the lift in #1 (and said/indicated he was walking home) then how could any attacker know he would be at those bins at 03:30 ~two hours later? Sorry if I'm completely missing the point here...

 

[JamesKing]

@James

I'm not quite understanding option C and the 3 explanations? Could you dumb it down for me a little?

i.e. If he refused the lift in #1 (and said/indicated he was walking home) then how could any attacker know he would be at those bins at 03:30 ~two hours later? Sorry if I'm completely missing the point here...

I don't know how any attacker could have known he'd be there at 3.30am.
So it's really not a case of dumbing down anything.

But the reason I don't know, is because even if it were possible to trace all the people the CCTV saw him talk with, no one would have any idea what conversations they'd had.

Someone could ask them, if they had contacted everyone he had spoken to face to face that night...or earlier.
And they could tell us. But we wouldn't know. We'd hope we got the truth.

So IF someone had arranged something. And that meeting went ahead... they wouldn't be wanting it known, because clearly, that has led to Corrie's disappearance.

But say that was "a lift". We can only speculate that "he was getting a lift" because.....

He was still in town....because we can see him
He wasn't going to drive....because he was over the limit and like his car and his licence.
He wasn't going to walk...because he never had.
And he'd not got a taxi.....because we can see him.

We can only speculate that "he'd not got a taxi"....only because he'd not got a taxi earlier.
It doesn't mean he was not going to get a taxi later on.

It's speculation of course, becausewe don't know.

 

[JamesKing]

Or, put another way, lets say he was going to get a lift. He would have to still arrange it with someone.

 

[JamesKing]

And If he'd arranged a lift, it must have been in a damn good car....
...because he'd waited for 2 hours (in the cold) to get a lift a mere 10 miles.