UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[Ruthbullock]

Yeh, I agree. Waiting ten minutes for a bus. Waiting till from 1.20am to 3.30am. I'd have a doze.

And setting your alarm as was said by Nicola for 3.00 and then sending your brother a random photo- which we have not seen, but the family has.

 

[JamesKing]

And setting your alarm as was said by Nicola for 3.00 and then sending your brother a random photo- which we have not seen, but the family has.

Don't know how how Nicola would know if he'd set the alarm or not. Have they found the phone ? You never know !
The "sound" from an arriving message could wake you. And it is said he did respond in a timely fashion.

He was waiting until 3.30am. It just adds up.

And that's the best (possible) break the plod could have. If true, it has to be "pre arranged". And whatever the meeting, no one has come forward to say he was meeting them.

 

[Ruthbullock]

Don't know how how Nicola would know if he'd set the alarm or not. Have they found the phone ? You never know !
The "sound" from an arriving message could wake you. And it is said he did respond in a timely fashion.

He was waiting until 3.30am. It just adds up.

And that's the best (possible) break the plod could have. If true, it has to be "pre arranged". And whatever the meeting, no one has come forward to say he was meeting them.

The text was sent at 3.08 - he still hung around the doorway/ area (we don't know, we haven't seen the footage, for 15 or so minutes) and then moved on - alarm, or just woken by a ping, he still hung around afterwards.

 

[ByTheRiver]

I get what you're saying, but I'm just trying fit everything together and come up with a "best guess", which is all it could ever be.

If he's walking home from Short Brackland (which it appears he has never done before), he isn't captured on the static camera the family recovered the cctv images from.

He could of lost his phone, but then it would then have to find it's way into the bin. I have lost my phone before...and sunglasses and my wallet, but never in a bin.

And then he's not been recovered. If he is lying out on the ground, in a likely to have travelled spot, he's in the open. There have been helicopters and search dogs and people all over (and it's a big area I know, but not to be seen after weeks of looking).

But Adrian Lynch had searchers, divers, dogs, drones, sonar and he was in a fish tank by the shoreline in a reservoir 100m from last sighting. He was very drunk but looked ok on cctv and the pathologist said wondering around for a few hours was unlikely to have sobered him up. He was found 8 months later by public. There is water, forest, slurries in the area searched by Corrie. If he had got a lift to Barton, maybe in a lorry and got dropped off at the wrong base and tried to walk back he could be close by that area just unseen and unfound in ferns in the forest, brambles, water etc.

 

[hermes&&]

But Adrian Lynch had searchers, divers, dogs, drones, sonar and he was in a fish tank by the shoreline in a reservoir 100m from last sighting. He was very drunk but looked ok on cctv and the pathologist said wondering around for a few hours was unlikely to have sobered him up. He was found 8 months later by public. There is water, forest, slurries in the area searched by Corrie. If he had got a lift to Barton, maybe in a lorry and got dropped off at the wrong base and tried to walk back he could be close by that area just unseen and unfound in ferns in the forest, brambles, water etc.

He didn't leave bin area on foot that's the problem and no one has come forward saying he had a lift.

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[CoverMeCagney]

But Adrian Lynch had searchers, divers, dogs, drones, sonar and he was in a fish tank by the shoreline in a reservoir 100m from last sighting. He was very drunk but looked ok on cctv and the pathologist said wondering around for a few hours was unlikely to have sobered him up. He was found 8 months later by public. There is water, forest, slurries in the area searched by Corrie. If he had got a lift to Barton, maybe in a lorry and got dropped off at the wrong base and tried to walk back he could be close by that area just unseen and unfound in ferns in the forest, brambles, water etc.

Have just updated Adrian's thread with the inquest report for those that are interested.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

He didn't leave bin area on foot that's the problem and no one had come forward saying he had a lift.

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Are we quite sure he didn't leave on foot? From watching that route video it seems clear he was heading that way home (but can any locals suggest where else he might have been going in that direction?) and that bin/tree corner is an ideal place to wee. He would have had time to cross over to Short B when the camera panned away, or are we saying there is CCTV on all routes that would have caught him had he carried on walking?

 

[bestie]

Slowly we seem to be learning a little bit more through the excellent work being done by the family.

It seems more likely now that Corrie left the area or close by in a vehicle and it seems there are 3 potential vehicles of interest with one being the bin lorry.

To me it now really comes down to if it was willingly or unwillingly. If he left willingly then you would think he left with his phone unless he managed to leave it behind and managed to put it in a bin. If it was unwillingly then there could be a possibility that the phone could have purposely been discarded in the bin so Corrie had no way of raising the alarm, this would explain the ping at barton mills and not necessarily mean he went that way too.

The 3 teenagers shouting is interesting. Am I right in thinking we only saw descriptions for two of them ? If so why if they had cctv ?

 

[hermes&&]

Are we quite sure he didn't leave on foot? From watching that route video it seems clear he was heading that way home (but can any locals suggest where else he might have been going in that direction?) and that bin/tree corner is an ideal place to wee. He would have had time to cross over to Short B when the camera panned away, or are we saying there is CCTV on all routes that would have caught him had he carried on walking?

Uncle Tony says there was a static camera covering the egress he would have to have crossed. The family have seen this footage but not the police

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[TheTruthWillOut]

Uncle Tony says there was a static camera covering the egress he would have to have crossed. The family have seen this footage but not the police

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This really boggles my mind. If it is/was true then does this mean the Police have been that poor or do they know something they haven't told the family?

 

[ByTheRiver]

He didn't leave bin area on foot that's the problem and no one has come forward saying he had a lift.

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I know but there are lots of tourists down here, seasonal workers pass through, they come from Romania to work on the farms, transport from Felixstowe Docks. People go to Bury for a night out etc and not everyone is on social media and too busy for tv etc

 

[hermes&&]

I know but there are lots of tourists down here, seasonal workers pass through, they come from Romania to work on the farms, transport from Felixstowe Docks. People go to Bury for a night out etc and not everyone is on social media and too busy for tv etc

Why would an itinerant Romanian farm worker be in the bin area at three thirty am and offer a complete stranger a lift?

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[Gem2626]

Uncle Tony says there was a static camera covering the egress he would have to have crossed. The family have seen this footage but not the police

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Do we know where this static camera is exactly?

Trying to catch up on posts but this thread has been moving fast!

 

[JamesKing]

Are we quite sure he didn't leave on foot? From watching that route video it seems clear he was heading that way home (but can any locals suggest where else he might have been going in that direction?) and that bin/tree corner is an ideal place to wee. He would have had time to cross over to Short B when the camera panned away, or are we saying there is CCTV on all routes that would have caught him had he carried on walking?

There are camera literally on all sides of his possible exits. When Uncle Tony said it was impossible for Corrie to evade all the cameras, I thought "hang on, straight down Short Brackland....and not seen". Seems like he must have already got that cctv footage and reviewed it. I doubt he would be sitting around waiting for plod to get active.

 

[JamesKing]

Do we know where this static camera is exactly?

Trying to catch up on posts but this thread has been moving fast!

No idea. There are businesses down that road and private houses. Uncle Tony said they had knocked on them all, so could be either / or.

 

[Gem2626]

When I looked down Short Brackland there were only 2 businesses with obvious cameras and both could have been avoided if he changed his route slightly. Private CCTV is only meant to cover owners property so isn't it possible he could have walked on the other side of the road and avoided it?

I saw that Uncle Tony had said that it would be impossible for Corrie to evade CCTV but if he looked at CCTV and there was no Corrie and no cars why does he think that a car could evade CCTV but not Corrie?

 

[ByTheRiver]

Why would an itinerant Romanian farm worker be in the bin area at three thirty am and offer a complete stranger a lift?

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they live over here temporarily and it was still harvest on 24 september so what i mean is it could be someone who lived here and gone abroad back home after seasonal work and not known corrie is missing who offered a lift at the tesco roundabout, they couldve been on a night out too and going home or even going to work as they start at 5.00am or earlier on some of the farms. also anyone staying down here for weekend on hols and gone back home who does not know, or a lorry driver as its a busy route that roundabout. people still do not know he is missing.

 

[hermes&&]

they live over here temporarily and it was still harvest on 24 september so what i mean is it could be someone who lived here and gone abroad back home after seasonal work and not known corrie is missing who offered a lift at the tesco roundabout, they couldve been on a night out too and going home or even going to work as they start at 5.00am or earlier on some of the farms. also anyone staying down here for weekend on hols and gone back home who does not know, or a lorry driver as its a busy route that roundabout. people still do not know he is missing.

But how did corrie get out of the bin area without being seen in the static camera?

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[CoverMeCagney]

Uncle Tony says there was a static camera covering the egress he would have to have crossed. The family have seen this footage but not the police

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But but but... surely that static camera would also have covered a vehicle?

I'm so confused about how a person couldn't be missed but a car/van could. So confused.

 

[hermes&&]

But but but... surely that static camera would also have covered a vehicle?

I'm so confused about how a person couldn't be missed but a car/van could. So confused.

Uncle Tony said a car seen leaving is unaccounted for and a car may have gone the wrong way down the one way street.

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