UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[OrlandoJames]

Because you'd have to go through all the rigmarole of having the vehicle searched, getting a sober sponsor to vouch for Corrie (and his friend), to get the vehicle booked into the guardroom, drive onto camp to his accommodation, get an escort to drive him back off camp.....all takes time. Easier just to rely on the camp transport system.

Not if you were being dropped off just outside the base.

 

[JamesKing]

Why do they need to have passed their driving tests? They don't need a car do they if Corrie has been dumped locally (God forbid). Everything is local apart from the phone which has been chucked in the passing bin lorry!

There is that !
But then police dogs "Bingo" and "Rex" will be out of a job. As would the Chief Constable !

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Consider a scenario whereby the 3 teenagers mentioned where involved in the death of a serving British serviceman, and their immigration status was say transient..... given the current political landscape would the ramifications of this be sufficient in awarding a D Notice....

 

[JamesKing]

If all (or a lot) are suspicious of "the wait", if that's what it was, then that's in the mix.
The motivation for "the wait" is unknown.

What other behaviour is unusual ?
The drive into town strike me as unusual.
But we need to know if he'd done that before. I think he had.
Does "frequency of an event" make something "less unusual" ?

Did his mates drive in normally also ? Is it an RAF thing ? Was he planning on staying in Bury that night ?


Was he planning on staying in Bury that night.... can bring us back to "the wait" ?
He didn't accept the lift because none was needed. He wasn't going home till Saturday morning ?

If he was staying in Bury that night, then what about the visit to Short Brackland.
Was he waiting to collect something in Short Brackland ?
Was he going for a pee ?
Does he know somebody in Short Brackland ?

 

[OrlandoJames]

If all (or a lot) are suspicious of "the wait", if that's what it was, then that's in the mix.
The motivation for "the wait" is unknown.

What other behaviour is unusual ?
The drive into town strike me as unusual.
But we need to know if he'd done that before. I think he had.
Does "frequency of an event" make something "less unusual" ?

Did his mates drive in normally also ? Is it an RAF thing ? Was he planning on staying in Bury that night ?


Was he planning on staying in Bury that night.... can bring us back to "the wait" ?
He didn't accept the lift because none was needed. He wasn't going home till Saturday morning ?

If he was staying in Bury that night, then what about the visit to Short Brackland.
Was he waiting to collect something in Short Brackland ?
Was he going for a pee ?
Does he know somebody in Short Brackland ?

Another explanation for ‘the wait’ is that he was just waiting to sober up in order to drive his own car home. That would save him the trouble of having to go back into Bury the next day to pick up his car. I’m sure his mum has said that he had slept in his car before, but maybe since then he became aware that merely being drunk in a vehicle is an offence, whether you’re driving it or not. So this time he decides to be more cautious and get his sleep in elsewhere. He then wakes up in the doorway and waits for a while before deciding to go for a walk to keep warm and stave off boredom. Or maybe he just wants to go for a pee before returning to his doorway. But something happens in the bin area that changes all that.

 

[hermes&&]

Exactly. If you believe the USAF guy's claim that he offered Corrie a lift earlier and that Corrie refused, the only conclusion is that Corrie was waiting around for something other than a lift home.

I'm not sure we know for sure whether a lift was offered and by whom. That seems to have come from a post on Facebook of uncertain provenance.

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[suzyjackson]

If all (or a lot) are suspicious of "the wait", if that's what it was, then that's in the mix.
The motivation for "the wait" is unknown.

What other behaviour is unusual ?
The drive into town strike me as unusual.
But we need to know if he'd done that before. I think he had.
Does "frequency of an event" make something "less unusual" ?

Did his mates drive in normally also ? Is it an RAF thing ? Was he planning on staying in Bury that night ?


Was he planning on staying in Bury that night.... can bring us back to "the wait" ?
He didn't accept the lift because none was needed. He wasn't going home till Saturday morning ?

If he was staying in Bury that night, then what about the visit to Short Brackland.
Was he waiting to collect something in Short Brackland ?
Was he going for a pee ?
Does he know somebody in Short Brackland ?

The reason for the drive into BSE has been explained on the fb group.

Note: this info came from someone who heard 2nd hand from people who attended a talk Nicola gave to a local school. There were 2 cars going from the base into BSE. some kind of mix up meant that each car thought Corrie was in the other and he ended up being left behind and thus totally unplanned had to drive himself there

 

[MidsummersDay]

If all (or a lot) are suspicious of "the wait", if that's what it was, then that's in the mix.
The motivation for "the wait" is unknown.

What other behaviour is unusual ?
The drive into town strike me as unusual.
But we need to know if he'd done that before. I think he had.
Does "frequency of an event" make something "less unusual" ?

Did his mates drive in normally also ? Is it an RAF thing ? Was he planning on staying in Bury that night ?


Was he planning on staying in Bury that night.... can bring us back to "the wait" ?
He didn't accept the lift because none was needed. He wasn't going home till Saturday morning ?

If he was staying in Bury that night, then what about the visit to Short Brackland.
Was he waiting to collect something in Short Brackland ?
Was he going for a pee ?
Does he know somebody in Short Brackland ?

To be honest, if I had been a junior rank mopping up after the lads on a Friday, then I'd probably have been late meeting them afterwards. I'd probably weigh up the risks and consider driving my flash into town, drinking fast to play 'catch up' and collect the car the next morning. I would say that this suggests that BSE isn't a car theif's magnet area. I would also suggest that the Int for the place was regarded as low.
Honestly, it all pans out for me in a nice, little, simple, explainable set of circumstances with absolutely NO terrorist connotations, NO abductions and NO wild alien sightings.

 

[JKLondon]

My first post on Websleuths..

Three young men have now gone missing in this geographical area. Corrie - 23, Joseph Newton - 25, and Luke Durbin - 19. Is there a link? What is going on in Suffolk?

 

[MidsummersDay]

Consider a scenario whereby the 3 teenagers mentioned where involved in the death of a serving British serviceman, and their immigration status was say transient..... given the current political landscape would the ramifications of this be sufficient in awarding a D Notice....

I don't buy that to be honest.
Pilgrim, can you offer up some suggested bin collection timings (and how many) for Biffa so I can work it out on the map. I'm trying to match DH/WTD etc and collections.

 

[JamesKing]

The reason for the drive into BSE has been explained on the fb group.

Note: this info came from someone who heard 2nd hand from people who attended a talk Nicola gave to a local school. There were 2 cars going from the base into BSE. some kind of mix up meant that each car thought Corrie was in the other and he ended up being left behind and thus totally unplanned had to drive himself there

That's interesting ! And logical. Answers some of what is normal.

So a guy would then drive in with the two drivers the next day (or whoever was up, would drive one of them in, if the other lad hadn't surfaced).

Corrie had a Z4 didn't he ? I have a convertible. I hate having to leave it over night if I end up at a friends house who hasn't got off road or underground parking. Leaving it over night in a town centre car park would have me "sleepless".

 

[MidsummersDay]

Another explanation for ‘the wait’ is that he was just waiting to sober up in order to drive his own car home. That would save him the trouble of having to go back into Bury the next day to pick up his car. I’m sure his mum has said that he had slept in his car before, but maybe since then he became aware that merely being drunk in a vehicle is an offence, whether you’re driving it or not. So this time he decides to be more cautious and get his sleep in elsewhere. He then wakes up in the doorway and waits for a while before deciding to go for a walk to keep warm and stave off boredom. Or maybe he just wants to go for a pee before returning to his doorway. But something happens in the bin area that changes all that.

Good point. However, he's walking 'with purpose' in the opposite direction with a kebab in his hands.

 

[JamesKing]

Is the Z4 and the "why his car is there" the reason for "the wait" ?

He'd be use to going On Stag. Why not for his own car ?


Edit. Can anyone confirm it is a BMW Z4 ? Early on there was a post of a car (a blue BMW Z4).

 

[MidsummersDay]

The reason for the drive into BSE has been explained on the fb group.

Note: this info came from someone who heard 2nd hand from people who attended a talk Nicola gave to a local school. There were 2 cars going from the base into BSE. some kind of mix up meant that each car thought Corrie was in the other and he ended up being left behind and thus totally unplanned had to drive himself there

So that would presumably mean that two other cars (each with potentially a sober driver) would have been able to collect him from a pre arranged location....like the bin area...as it would then have facilitated an easy egress up Shortbrackland and on to Base.

 

[JamesKing]

So that would presumably mean that two other cars (each with potentially a sober driver) would have been able to collect him from a pre arranged location....like the bin area...as it would then have facilitated an easy egress up Shortbrackland and on to Base.

Sober ! Nah. It's a "dumper". Have done this loads. You collect them the next day.


Edit. Unless they're parked in Short Brackland and fancying "chancing it".
Drive up to camp, but leave it outside somewhere. And then walk in "all smiles".

 

[suzyjackson]

Is the Z4 and the "why his car is there" the reason for "the wait" ?

He'd be use to going On Stag. Why not for his own car ?








Edit. Can anyone confirm it is a BMW Z4 ? Early on there was a post of a car (a blue BMW Z4).

I don't have instagram but I've read that if you do you can see his car on there and it is a small blue BMW

 

[suzyjackson]

So that would presumably mean that two other cars (each with potentially a sober driver) would have been able to collect him from a pre arranged location....like the bin area...as it would then have facilitated an easy egress up Shortbrackland and on to Base.

Sober ! Nah. It's a "dumper". Have done this loads. You collect them the next day.


Edit. Unless they're parked in Short Brackland and facing "chancing it" up to camp, but leave it outside somewhere.

I say a next day pick up too, one of those given a lift would have driven the other 3 back in the morning. This does raise the question of where they thought Corrie was the next day if this did happen and did they all park in the same place and did they see his car was still there the next day and wonder even fleetingly where he was

 

[OrlandoJames]

I don't have instagram but I've read that if you do you can see his car on there and it is a small blue BMW

Yes, it's a blue Z4.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Sober ! Nah. It's a "dumper". Have done this loads. You collect them the next day.


Edit. Unless they're parked in Short Brackland and fancying "chancing it".
Drive up to camp, but leave it outside somewhere. And then walk in "all smiles".

So potentially three cars dumped overnight and collected the next morning? I'd be sleepless about the convertible (mine doesn't go out if there's a cloud in the sky never mind unattended overnight!), the other two presumably could have been in the same place as Corrie parked his as he was meeting them in the nightclub?

 

[JamesKing]

I don't have instagram but I've read that if you do you can see his car on there and it is a small blue BMW

Small, as in this type of size ? Just a random pic of a BMW from the web.