UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[PilgrimsPrayer]

I don't believe any information of this nature was released, but logic would dictate that it would be odd for the vehicle to leave the depot 2 miles away, make a couple of collections and then head out of town. More likely that the contract with the bin holder state should specific windows of time possibly due to the dangers of drunken revellers....

He may well have been banging etc but the pickup is automated, the driver doesn't leave the cab.

What other collection points?

I originally assumed that there would be other collections after the one from the back of Greggs, but others have said that was supposed to be the last one on the route.

Assuming you are right and there were other collections along the A1101, how long would each pick up take on average? We have 30 minutes to cover 11 miles. Assuming (for the sake of argument) the bin lorry does 40mph it would take around 15 minutes, leaving around 15 minutes for 1 or more pickups.

And if there was such a pickup, why wouldn't Corrie be banging frantically on the side and yelling his head off?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I don't believe any information of this nature was released, but logic would dictate that it would be odd for the vehicle to leave the depot 2 miles away, make a couple of collections and then head out of town. More likely that the contract with the bin holder state should specific windows of time possibly due to the dangers of drunken revellers....

Look, the bin pickup behind Greggs was at 4am and the lorry was in Barton Mills 30 minutes later, where the phone apparently carried on pinging until 8.30am without moving. That's fairly well understood.

The A1101 route from BSE to BM is just over 12 miles. It would not take 30 minutes to cover that distance in the early hours of the morning. You said earlier on that you were an industry insider so I'm asking you as an industry insider how long it takes to pick up and empty a bin.

You've previously said that you believe Corrie somehow made it out of the lorry and succumbed to his injuries nearby. See, I don't know how he could have made it out of the lorry unassisted.

Either it was a backloader, in which case the compacting ram operated after each bin was emptied into it, or it was a top loader as shown in the video linked to previously, in which case he would have had to climb up the inside of the large container on top.

 

[JamesKing]

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Outside the wire relates to the in depth analysis of Corries movements giving a clear indication of the habits of his fellow RAF personnel. Reconstructions etc would have required such elements to give context and it was decided that this would compromise national security.

They went to Flex night club in Bury. I suspect half the single under 30's from the base were there.

And in the RAF Marham attempted abduction, they did a televised reconstruction on CrimeWatch.

I expect it is an in-depth look into his life that has sparked the "D", but it'll be due to "deployment and force strength". They always get really touchy when that's ever mentioned and they think the public know "the force strength".

They got "really, really funny" when it started getting out that the Snatch Land Rover was a load of rubbish. You'd have thought the nick name "coffin on wheels" gave it away !
It was rubbish in the 90's. You were better of "street walking" than riding in one of them. Then they started littering the roads of Iraq, so they decided they better make another ! The military are funny sometimes.

Edit. You only wore your helmet inside one, so that if you got shot when you were in it, you wouldn't bang your head when you fell over.

 

[guruagain]

He may well have been banging etc but the pickup is automated, the driver doesn't leave the cab.

How does he get the bin on the back? telekinesis ?

 

[MidsummersDay]

100% possible, all recycling wagons have fail safes to open the compactor hatch, never mind that he is a serving Airman so likely to be opportunistic if an opening occurred for him to escape, despite injuries.

As stated, follow the collection points of the lorry on the assumption it is unloading at the AJ Thompson yard in Newmarket via Barton Mills.

A1101 from Bury to Barton Mills then up the A11 to Newmarket.

If not this then he was simply compacted and unloaded in Newmarket and is now on a boat to China along with the other 100 tonnes a week shipped from that yard.

Like this route (if the phone was in the bin lorry):

 

[MidsummersDay]

That doesn't make sense. Why would any vehicle go from BSE to Newmarket via Barton Mills when it could drive direct from BSE to Newmarket straight along the A14?

because of commercial bin collections at BM. Think about what's at the roundabout (as well as a phone mast). I'm sure there's a Travelodge as well as one or two other businesses?

 

[MidsummersDay]

Look, the bin pickup behind Greggs was at 4am and the lorry was in Barton Mills 30 minutes later, where the phone apparently carried on pinging until 8.30am without moving. That's fairly well understood.

The A1101 route from BSE to BM is just over 12 miles. It would not take 30 minutes to cover that distance in the early hours of the morning. You said earlier on that you were an industry insider so I'm asking you as an industry insider how long it takes to pick up and empty a bin.

You've previously said that you believe Corrie somehow made it out of the lorry and succumbed to his injuries nearby. See, I don't know how he could have made it out of the lorry unassisted.

Either it was a backloader, in which case the compacting ram operated after each bin was emptied into it, or it was a top loader as shown in the video linked to previously, in which case he would have had to climb up the inside of the large container on top.

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.....SLOW DOWN Melmoth! Think about it....
The bin pick up behind SUPERDRUG was at 0352 approx (extra 8 mins). If we're led to believe that THE SIGNAL MATCHED THE SPEED OF THE BIN LORRY, it only has to enter the mast's transmission/reception areas. I think we're getting hung up on the crow flying distance from BSE to BM. It should be from the BSE mast transmission footprint to the BM transmission footprint. Think of the epicentre of two circles. If you travel from one to another you may only have to travel from edge to edge! Get it?

 

[JamesKing]

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.....SLOW DOWN Melmoth! Think about it....
The bin pick up behind SUPERDRUG was at 0352 approx (extra 8 mins). If we're led to believe that THE SIGNAL MATCHED THE SPEED OF THE BIN LORRY, it only has to enter the mast's transmission/reception areas. I think we're getting hung up on the crow flying distance from BSE to BM. It should be from the BSE mast transmission footprint to the BM transmission footprint. Think of the epicentre of two circles. If you travel from one to another you may only have to travel from edge to edge! Get it?

I read "it was within minutes" of the bin lorry triggering the motion camera.
So a few more minutes to play with.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Now the question is....how far does the mast(s) at BM transmit that are relevant to Corries phone. Was it the '3' macromast, the Vodaphone macromast, the T mobile macromast...? When we find that information we may be able to narrow down the 'pings' and so work out the time/speed/distance equation for the route. It may also narrow down the search area AND possibly the location of Corrie! <modsnip>

 

[MidsummersDay]

Now the question is....how far does the mast(s) at BM transmit that are relevant to Corries phone. Was it the '3' macromast, the Vodaphone macromast, the T mobile macromast...? When we find that information we may be able to narrow down the 'pings' and so work out the time/speed/distance equation for the route. It may also narrow down the search area AND possibly the location of Corrie! <modsnip>

....and the only mast that I can find listed as 'Barton Mills mast' as per the police statement is this one:

 

[MidsummersDay]

I read "it was within minutes" of the bin lorry triggering the motion camera.
So a few more minutes to play with.

Triggering which motion camera? Do you have a location?

 

[JamesKing]

Triggering which motion camera? Do you have a location?

The five Ways round-a-bout

 

[MidsummersDay]

....and the only mast that I can find listed as 'Barton Mills mast' as per the police statement is this one:

If I was a betting man, and based on the information supplied I'd say that Corrie's phone is in the area bounded by green.
Thoughts?

 

[JamesKing]

How did it get there ?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.....SLOW DOWN Melmoth! Think about it....
The bin pick up behind SUPERDRUG was at 0352 approx (extra 8 mins). If we're led to believe that THE SIGNAL MATCHED THE SPEED OF THE BIN LORRY, it only has to enter the mast's transmission/reception areas. I think we're getting hung up on the crow flying distance from BSE to BM. It should be from the BSE mast transmission footprint to the BM transmission footprint. Think of the epicentre of two circles. If you travel from one to another you may only have to travel from edge to edge! Get it?

Where is 3:52 from? Pretty sure the police said 4am?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

How did it get there ?

How did what get where?

In the interests of tidiness can we all please make sure we quote what we're replying to, and also qualify any statements that include previously unheard of facts with either a link or an "in my opinion".

:tyou:

 

[JamesKing]

Have you seen the maps in what I was replying to !!!

"In Your opinion (re the maps and the comment in between one of them about being a betting man), in you opinion, how did it get there"

 

[JamesKing]

Any way.....

Re the maps

I quite agree and I suspect the police do to. It "would have been" in that area.

IS this in that area ?

 

[Amonet]

Thinking about the map of the possible routes of the bin lorry, particularly the 'triangle' route. The phone can't jump out of the bin lorry around Barton Mills if the bin lorry was continuing to Newmarket/Thetford/Norwich. So if the phone stays in the Barton Mills/Mildenhall general region until around 8am, then it can't have been in the bin lorry?

Edit: if the bin lorry's destination was the Mildenhall waste centre on the map in the post above mine by JamesKing, then the phone could have been in the bin lorry. Ugh, I thought maybe we could finally rule out the bin lorry :scared:

 

[JamesKing]

Biffa manage some of those "HWRC's".

No idea if they manage that one.
Could be wear things got added. Or transferred. Or compacted at 4.20am

https://www.biffa.co.uk/household-waste/information-for-councils/our-services/hwrc/