UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[JamesKing]

So potentially three cars dumped overnight and collected the next morning? I'd be sleepless about the convertible (mine doesn't go out if there's a cloud in the sky never mind unattended overnight!), the other two presumably could have been in the same place as Corrie parked his as he was meeting them in the nightclub?

Mine to (expect I live in a sunny place) so "dumping it" over night is the main issue !

Is that the reason for "the wait" ?

 

[Ruthbullock]

I often drive when going out and get someone to give me a lift for my car the following day - saves two taxi fares. I also doubt there was camp transport.

 

[MidsummersDay]

I say a next day pick up too, one of those given a lift would have driven the other 3 back in the morning. This does raise the question of where they thought Corrie was the next day if this did happen and did they all park in the same place and did they see his car was still there the next day and wonder even fleetingly where he was

I wonder if one of the cars was parked in Shortbrackland and Corrie knew this? He walks along Shortbrackland as his lift hasn't materialised towards where his mates have peaked the car and finds three teenagers trying to break into it? He recognises his mates car, offers up a one way conversation, comes off worse and is mugged at the same time?

 

[JamesKing]

Here's an scenario (doesn't explain much, but may reason why he's there)

Drives in, parks up
Gets kicked out, so heads off to buy food.
Refuses the lift. As won't be going back.
Eats, waits, sobers up
The idea is to wait with the car.
Too drunk to sit in it at 1.00am
By 3.30am, with less plod about, may be unseen.
Next morning, grab a coffee, read the paper and then drive back

Sounds reasonable ?

 

[MidsummersDay]

Mine to (expect I live in a sunny place) so "dumping it" over night is the main issue !

Is that the reason for "the wait" ?

James, think about what I said earlier about a (MT) lift from base!!! Use your imagination!!!

 

[Ruthbullock]

I wonder if one of the cars was parked in Shortbrackland and Corrie knew this? He walks along Shortbrackland as his lift hasn't materialised towards where his mates have peaked the car and finds three teenagers trying to break into it? He recognises his mates car, offers up a one way conversation, comes off worse and is mugged at the same time?

Potentially, although I would have thought there would be some evidence of that on the car.
Two rumours about the current discussions are the teenagers were known to hang round the area, drug related (to them) and that one of the flats in the area is a house of ill repute.

 

[JamesKing]

You mean, him bung them a few quid and they can drive it back.
But he's just a grunt. Whoever is going to "leave" to pick it up.

A little spin around Colchester if you're not "on the job" methinks

 

[OrlandoJames]

Here's an scenario (doesn't explain much, but may reason why he's there)

Drives in, parks up
Gets kicked out, so heads off to buy food.
Refuses the lift. As won't be going back.
Eats, waits, sobers up
The idea is to wait with the car.
Too drunk to sit in it at 1.00am
By 3.30am, with less plod about, may be unseen.
Next morning, grab a coffee, read the paper and then drive back

Sounds reasonable ?

To me, this is as good a theory as any for the 'wait'. It doesn't tell us what happened when he went into the bin area, but it may shed some light on why he was there in the first place.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Here's an scenario (doesn't explain much, but may reason why he's there)

Drives in, parks up
Gets kicked out, so heads off to buy food.
Refuses the lift. As won't be going back.
Eats, waits, sobers up
The idea is to wait with the car.
Too drunk to sit in it at 1.00am
By 3.30am, with less plod about, may be unseen.
Next morning, grab a coffee, read the paper and then drive back

Sounds reasonable ?

Reasonable until you offer up the first CCTV footage. He's walking 'with purpose' in the wrong direction from him car. Maybe towards where who he went out with earlier will be picking him up? That makes sense if he realises suddenly that the club doesn't finish until 0330 and so he slows down, sleeps(dozes) in the shop doorway and 'hopes' that they'll turn up as per plan at the bin area. He's looking around in the second CCTV footage remember (maybe for his mates?). When he realises they're not there he walks up Shortbrackland (don't know why the CCTV missed that bit) towards his mates car hoping to bump into them and get a lift back. Unfortunately bumps into three teenagers and is accosted then relieved of his wallet and phone. His mates decide that he's with the 'other crowd' as they didn't bring him into town. None take responsibility as he didn't travel in with them...make sense?
teenagers are spooked by the bin lorry, start arguing because they've suddenly discovered they've mugged a Serviceman, bin the wallet and ID in the grate, throw the phone into the returning bin lorry and move a comatose/dazed/dead? Corrie to...(?).

 

[MidsummersDay]

You mean, him bung them a few quid and they can drive it back.
But he's just a grunt. Whoever is going to "leave" to pick it up.

A little spin around Colchester if you're not "on the job" methinks

Nope, try again.

 

[c4nd1_83]

Does anyone know how much a taxi would have been back to camp after midnight. Maybe he couldn't afford it thats why he never got one. Maybe he was waiting for the others to share a taxi and the cost. Nicola said he hadnt been paid yet until the following wkend. I think he was waiting for his mates and they were probably all drunk. Would be interesting to know how they all got back.

 

[JamesKing]

Reasonable until you offer up the first CCTV footage. He's walking 'with purpose' in the wrong direction from him car. Maybe towards where who he went out with earlier will be picking him up? That makes sense if he realises suddenly that the club doesn't finish until 0330 and so he slows down, sleeps(dozes) in the shop doorway and 'hopes' that they'll turn up as per plan at the bin area. He's looking around in the second CCTV footage remember (maybe for his mates?). When he realises they're not there he walks up Shortbrackland (don't know why the CCTV missed that bit) towards his mates car hoping to bump into them and get a lift back. Unfortunately bumps into three teenagers and is accosted then relieved of his wallet and phone. His mates decide that he's with the 'other crowd' as they didn't bring him into town. None take responsibility as he didn't travel in with them...make sense?
teenagers are spooked by the bin lorry, start arguing because they've suddenly discovered they've mugged a Serviceman, bin the wallet and ID in the grate, throw the phone into the returning bin lorry and move a comatose/dazed/dead? Corrie to...(?).

Waits away from the car....as he doesn't want to meet his mate a look "a puff" for waiting with his car !

Possible ?

 

[MidsummersDay]

Waits away from the car....as he doesn't want to meet his mate a look (silly) for waiting with his car !

Possible ?

Nope, it's a natural turnaround if your travelling down Shortbrackland.

 

[Amonet]

I think there's no way to know for certain, but I don't think the numbers are out of the ordinary. A lot of people go missing every year in the UK, some just for a few days before they're found, and some are never found and we'll never know what happened to them :-(

In the time Corrie has been missing there have been other missing people reported across Britain, some have turned up in some way, and some haven't. Corrie's seems to be the most widely publicised case...most won't get national publicity as they're assumed to have gone missing locally and it will only be in the local news.

There's nothing obvious that screams out to me that Corrie's and Joseph Newton's disappearances are connected. Both in Suffolk but different towns, and very different types of person. But there's too little to go on to know for certain either way.

My first post on Websleuths..

Three young men have now gone missing in this geographical area. Corrie - 23, Joseph Newton - 25, and Luke Durbin - 19. Is there a link? What is going on in Suffolk?

 

[MidsummersDay]

Does anyone know how much a taxi would have been back to camp after midnight. Maybe he couldn't afford it thats why he never got one. Maybe he was waiting for the others to share a taxi and the cost. Nicola said he hadnt been paid yet until the following wkend. I think he was waiting for his mates and they were probably all drunk. Would be interesting to know how they all got back.

If both drivers (excluding Corrie) have a five seater car that's full then that's potentially ten people (or on return one minibus or two taxis maybe three).
if both drivers aren't drinking then more than likely the same people would stay in the same car on the way back. I think he thought he could get a lift back to camp with the boys to be honest and failed as the cars were full. He'd made his own way in so there would be no reason to think why Corrie couldn't make his own way out again and back to camp. He then called in the reserves from (MT) camp and it was scuppered at the last minute because a job came up so decides to walk up Shortbrackland and home.

 

[Ruthbullock]

Does anyone know how much a taxi would have been back to camp after midnight. Maybe he couldn't afford it thats why he never got one. Maybe he was waiting for the others to share a taxi and the cost. Nicola said he hadnt been paid yet until the following wkend. I think he was waiting for his mates and they were probably all drunk. Would be interesting to know how they all got back.

Lack of funds for taxi was questioned- I think he was financially able to secure a taxi home, unless he lost his wallet- which he had to buy a takeaway.

 

[Ruthbullock]

I think there's no way to know for certain, but I don't think the numbers are out of the ordinary. A lot of people go missing every year in the UK, some just for a few days before they're found, and some are never found and we'll never know what happened to them :-(

In the time Corrie has been missing there have been other missing people reported across Britain, some have turned up in some way, and some haven't. Corrie's seems to be the most widely publicised case...most won't get national publicity as they're assumed to have gone missing locally and it will only be in the local news.

There's nothing obvious that screams out to me that Corrie's and Joseph Newton's disappearances are connected. Both in Suffolk but different towns, and very different types of person. But there's too little to go on to know for certain either way.

The 16 year old from nearby has still not been found, it has however led to a resurgence in search parties in the area.

 

[hermes&&]

So that would presumably mean that two other cars (each with potentially a sober driver) would have been able to collect him from a pre arranged location....like the bin area...as it would then have facilitated an easy egress up Shortbrackland and on to Base.

So there were two sober drivers and space in both cars for corrie if he needed to get back with them.

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[MidsummersDay]

Lack of funds for taxi was questioned- I think he was financially able to secure a taxi home, unless he lost his wallet- which he had to buy a takeaway.

unless he was relieved of his wallet and phone in the doorway AFTER he'd made arrangements for a lift home at the bottom of Shortbrackland near the turnaround/bin area?

 

[MidsummersDay]

So there were two sober drivers and space in both cars for corrie if he needed to get back with them.

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No, that's not what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting that the MAXIMUM amount of people in the party would be 10. If the driver had a drink they would leave their cars sensibly in BSE as Corrie did. The other car and occupants under the impression that the other car and occupants had Corrie in their car. Likewise if the drivers hadn't had a drink.
Think about how on a Monday morning you try to recall what happened the Friday night before after a heavy sesh? Difficult isn't in? Add on top of that the fact that his mates thought that he was in the other parties car AND then the relief that he's in his own car...I wouldn't be perturbed at that.
I think the mistake here perhaps is that Corrie had a substantial amount to drink and thought he could cadge a lift back with the lads. The lads found out during the course of the evening that Corrie had come in in his own car so was running independent from them perhaps?