UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #3

[PurpleWitch]

Here's an article about the new cctv centre which was opened in 2015 http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/new_cctv..._monito_140_cameras_in_west_suffolk_1_4343128

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I have to agree sadly. During my intuitively investigation along Shortbrackland it seems like a bit of a 'blind spot' for CCTV. And why should it be monitored if you think about it? There is no rhyme or reason for the council to monitor domestic properties. I can understand town properties where tenants pay a council rent. The spread of fires and vandalism to their properties being one good reason to monitor their own. This would easily explain the last CCTV footage of 0324 as from then onwards it becomes residential.

It is probably privacy laws that stop council CCTV being put up to cover Short Brackland and surrounding roads. Even the Cornhill shopping centre doesn't have cameras on the outside except the two cameras that cover the rear car park/loading bay.

The only fly in the ointment here is the private CCTV the family have seen and the Police then claiming they have higher resolution footage that covers the same area (egress of the bin area).

This doesn't make sense to me.

Edit: It doesn't make sense unless camera 09 remains fixed on the spot where Corrie goes behind the building to the bins for a substantial amount of time? i.e. until the bin lorry turned up?

 

[PurpleWitch]

The private cctv was on Short Brackland.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

The private cctv was on Short Brackland.

Yes, but isn't it this CCTV footage that Tony mentioned something about covering the egress of the bin area or am I mixing things up?

And just another query that I've been pondering....

Is there a confirmed time the bin lorry arrived at the bins?
Is it confirmed what time, place and who saw the three teenagers?

 

[PurpleWitch]

From Suffolk Constabulary page. Previous release | 05 October 2016

Police searching for missing 23-year-old Corrie McKeague are making a direct appeal to trace three young people who were in Short Brackland in Bury St Edmunds on the morning of his disappearance to come forward.
The three – all said to be aged between around 16 to 18, one a female described as being white, of quite slim build, possibly with blonde hair, wearing either a dark green or navy blue jumper-style top, and two males, one wearing a hooded top – were seen in this area of Bury St Edmunds, towards the back of Cornhill Walk shopping centre, around 4.20am on Saturday 24 September.

 

[suzyjackson]

From Suffolk Constabulary page. Previous release | 05 October 2016

Police searching for missing 23-year-old Corrie McKeague are making a direct appeal to trace three young people who were in Short Brackland in Bury St Edmunds on the morning of his disappearance to come forward.
The three – all said to be aged between around 16 to 18, one a female described as being white, of quite slim build, possibly with blonde hair, wearing either a dark green or navy blue jumper-style top, and two males, one wearing a hooded top – were seen in this area of Bury St Edmunds, towards the back of Cornhill Walk shopping centre, around 4.20am on Saturday 24 September.

We've since been told that they were seen by the bin driver not the camera though

 

[mrazda71]

We've since been told that they were seen by the bin driver not the camera though

This may be true but I have a thought in my head that it wasn't the bin lorry driver who saw them, anyone have any links to say where the info came from about the teenagers? Thanks

 

[Deleted member 178385]

This may be true but I have a thought in my head that it wasn't the bin lorry driver who saw them, anyone have any links to say where the info came from about the teenagers? Thanks

The only official statement I'm aware of re the teenagers is this statement on the family's website:

"Police made an appeal requesting assistance to trace three people believed to be aged 16 to 18 who were spotted by the bin lorry driver on Cornhill Walk shopping centre on Short Brackland, Bury, at around 4.20am on September 24. They are described as a white female, of quite slim build, possibly with blonde hair wearing either a dark green or navy blue jumper-style top, and two males, one wearing a hooded top. These three have been identified and spoken too."

 

[PurpleWitch]

The cctv was offered to Nicola by a member of the public and she confirmed police had it. can't post any more due to forum rules I think.

 

[MidsummersDay]

If the bin lorry driver saw the three teenagers at 0420 at the rear of the Cornwalk Shopping area, then the bin lorry could have been either arriving or departing the bin area. I can't see that operation taking more than a few minutes to drive down Shortbrackland, a 10 minutes lift and a few minutes to drive back up Shortbrackland totalling 15 mins. So that gives us a window of 7.5 minutes either side of 0420 (0413 - 0427) that the bin lorry didn't see Corrie otherwise he would have reported him in the bin area. So, the window of opportunity for Corrie to egress that area and up Shortbrackland (regardless of being on foot or car) is 0413 - 0427?
Thoughts please?

what time did the phone ping in the Barton Mills mast area please, anyone? (Confirmed link please)

 

[Deleted member 178385]

what time did the phone ping in the Barton Mills mast area please, anyone? (Confirmed link please)

I don't have a confirmed exact time, however I do have the following:

"Enquiries and information received over the past week have led police to believe he may have been in the Mildenhall area at some point between 4.30am and 8am on Saturday 24 September, and police would like to hear from anyone who may have seen or spoken to a man matching Corrie’s description in this area around this time." from Suffolk Police (2nd October update)

and

"3.24am to around 4.30am: Police were able to trace Corrie’s mobile phone from Bury to the Barton Mills area, near Mildenhall, at a speed only a vehicle could travel at. His phone was not used after this and it has not been found." from the findcorrie.co.uk website.

Taking these both together would suggest the phone pinged in Barton Mills area at or around 4.30am.

 

[Ironside]

I don't have a confirmed exact time, however I do have the following:

"Enquiries and information received over the past week have led police to believe he may have been in the Mildenhall area at some point between 4.30am and 8am on Saturday 24 September, and police would like to hear from anyone who may have seen or spoken to a man matching Corrie’s description in this area around this time." from Suffolk Police (2nd October update)

and

"3.24am to around 4.30am: Police were able to trace Corrie’s mobile phone from Bury to the Barton Mills area, near Mildenhall, at a speed only a vehicle could travel at. His phone was not used after this and it has not been found." from the findcorrie.co.uk website.

Taking these both together would suggest the phone pinged in Barton Mills area at or around 4.30am.

Assuming the teenagers are considered suspects here I think Corrie got in/was put in a vehicle just after 3.24, phone maybe pinged about 4am. It would then be possible for them to drive to Barton Mills and be back in BSE by 4.20am. Why would Nicola be visiting schools and colleges if she didn't think young people were somehow involved?

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I'm sure I read somewhere the mention of 04:28 for the phone ping? Also 04:00 for the bin arrival in Short Brackland?

Both would be unofficial though. CJ posted the closest thing to official I'm aware of about the phone and there is nothing official about the bin lorry arrival.

Just read this latest article and it seems like the Police are stepping up searches in Barton Mills/Mildenhall so could point to them now thinking a car got him there and the bin lorry was coincidence?

http://www.buryfreepress.co.uk/news/corrie-search-returns-to-mildenhall-area-1-7674201

 

[Deleted member 178385]

Just read this latest article and it seems like the Police are stepping up searches in Barton Mills/Mildenhall so could point to them now thinking a car got him there and the bin lorry was coincidence?

http://www.buryfreepress.co.uk/news/corrie-search-returns-to-mildenhall-area-1-7674201

I saw SULSAR mention earlier in the week that they were extending the search to those areas, and Nicola said in the recent radio interview that SULSAR would be out "with a boat" today (Thursday). Am slightly surprised that these areas hadn't been covered beforehand - if this is where his phone pinged, wouldn't it have been reasonable to think it a good place to search? Presumably there is no CCTV in these areas too?

 

[Ironside]

I'm sure I read somewhere the mention of 04:28 for the phone ping? Also 04:00 for the bin arrival in Short Brackland?
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Again assuming these teenagers are involved, I think they are being deliberately vague about the phone ping times. Police statements aren't just to update the general public, they can often be used to mess with the perpetrators head. Saying pings were between 3.25 -4.30 could be the police trying to spook a suspect/suspects. If the police think whatever happened did happen in that hour and likely the suspect/suspects drove to Barton Mills and then back to BSE giving an hour window it is a better tactic than just releasing the Barton Mills ping. The hour window nicely fits with the teenagers being seen at 4.20.

 

[Deleted member 178385]

Another comment from Nicola I've just noticed (on the FB group):

"Corrie drove in to bury on his own as he was sorting out his little puppy louell. The lads thought he was in the other car to him. Once they got to bury they realised this and so corrie had to drive in on his own. Corrie then stopped his car and spoke to his brother darroch on the phone for nearly an hour and rightly or wrongly he did sit in his car drinking whilst on the phone. Yes I am well aware this is an offence and am very upset it's happened. But to be honest the only thing I care about right now is getting my boy back home x"

 

[MidsummersDay]

I don't have a confirmed exact time, however I do have the following:

"Enquiries and information received over the past week have led police to believe he may have been in the Mildenhall area at some point between 4.30am and 8am on Saturday 24 September, and police would like to hear from anyone who may have seen or spoken to a man matching Corrie’s description in this area around this time." from Suffolk Police (2nd October update)

and

"3.24am to around 4.30am: Police were able to trace Corrie’s mobile phone from Bury to the Barton Mills area, near Mildenhall, at a speed only a vehicle could travel at. His phone was not used after this and it has not been found." from the findcorrie.co.uk website.

Taking these both together would suggest the phone pinged in Barton Mills area at or around 4.30am.

This topic and subject has been banged on about for quite some time but as new information comes up I tend to reappraise it again.

The bin lorry in question would be subject to LGV/HGV regulations and thusly the maximum permitted speed on the A1101 for it would be 40mph. Obviously the vehicle has to get to that speed as well as collect a few bins. That has been factored in. The vehicle is also subject to tacograph regulations (most likely digital) and Working Time Directives. These have been factored in also. It has been suggested by a possible insider that a start time for that particular bin lorry tasking would have been approximately 0330...bare with me on this one...

The bin lorry driver should allow 30 minutes to snag his vehicle unless it's been done by the previous shift for him (unlikely as its his responsibility). If he's quick, he may be able to do all his checks and be on the road within half an hour. This takes him to 0400. By now he's on his way to his job of collecting the bin at SUPERDRUG in BSE.

HERES THE CONTRIDICTORY FACTS:
1. The bin lorry driver sees three teenagers at the back of Cornwalk Shopping Centre at 0420.
2. Corrie's phone pings in the Barton Mills mast area at approximately 0430.

This allows a 10minute window for the bin lorry to get to Barton Mills which is impossible. The ONLY way that this is possible is if we use the stated sighting of the teenagers at 0420, take off approximately 7 minutes up Shortbrackland, approximately 6 minutes to uplift the bin and approximately 7 minutes to drive down Shortbrackland again. That suggests that the bin lorry's duration at the bin collection point behind SUPERDRUG was from 0410 - 0430. This IS IMPORTANT as it now suggests that Corrie was NOT seen by the lorry driver onroute down Shortbrackland at 0420 OR onroute out out BSE (unless he didn't see him obviously).

The trip to Barton Mills is approximately 9.5 miles along the A1101. T/S/D equations suggest a 22 minute journey. Add 22 minutes to 0420 and you get 0440.

MY SPECULATIVE CONCLUSION
So importantly, this narrows the timings down of Corrie's egress from the bin area to 0324 -0410.
It also narrows Corrie's phone departure from BSE to 0420 - 0442.

Im working on finer detail of this model as we speak.

 

[cotswoldemmie]

Assuming the teenagers are considered suspects here I think Corrie got in/was put in a vehicle just after 3.24, phone maybe pinged about 4am. It would then be possible for them to drive to Barton Mills and be back in BSE by 4.20am. Why would Nicola be visiting schools and colleges if she didn't think young people were somehow involved?

Somewhat nervous, first time user here so please go easy!
My feelings are that the police have a very good idea of what happened and by whom.
However they don't have clear visual evidence or (sadly) a body and obviously, without those things, well....
The police/family have, quite rightly, withheld a lot of CCTV and information but if you read between the lines, look at the carefully selected bits of information that have actually been released into the public domain and the way appeals have been made and lines of enquiry followed by the family, my feeling would be that the teenagers are likely to be key to Corries demise & disposal.
Nicola has been going to schools, this isn't a normal course of action to take, rather I feel it is an appeal to the perpetrators and/or friends of the perpetrators. A psychological way of scaring or guilt-tripping someone into coming forward.
I also feel that some misinformation may have been given out, in some way, to trip the perpetrators up. Whether that's in conversation with others or in a police interview.
I feel the police have plenty of CCTV footage, enough to give them a clear idea of what happened but of such poor quality that it is unusable without solid evidence.
Somewhere in the last few weeks I read that the teenagers in one CCTV release had been traced & questioned, however, nothing was ever released regarding them having been "eliminated from their enquiries".
I'm sure that during the interviews, the police would have picked up on notable body language and suspiciously scripted responses.
Anyway, those are my thoughts, just putting it out there.
I just wish someone would have the balls to come forward, as a parent myself, my heart breaks for this poor family.

 

[suzyjackson]

Another comment from Nicola I've just noticed (on the FB group):

"Corrie drove in to bury on his own as he was sorting out his little puppy louell. The lads thought he was in the other car to him. Once they got to bury they realised this and so corrie had to drive in on his own. Corrie then stopped his car and spoke to his brother darroch on the phone for nearly an hour and rightly or wrongly he did sit in his car drinking whilst on the phone. Yes I am well aware this is an offence and am very upset it's happened. But to be honest the only thing I care about right now is getting my boy back home x"

Thank you for posting that, it now clears up my confusion on the timings.

We now have it confirmed that Corrie arrived in BSE around 10 but didn't join his friends until about 11. I don't think it has any bearing on what happened later but it's good to have a loose end tied up. FWIW I don't see a problem with having a drink in your car as long as you don't drive it afterwards (no need to tell me it's illegal, I know that, but not a huge deal imo).

If he was drinking spirits for an hour then no wonder he was drunk by 1am, even if it was beer he could have got through a few cans in that time.

Thanks for clarifying Nicola

 

[Deleted member 178385]

Lots of good points raised about the teenagers and their potential involvement. Any theories as to how this could tie in to the new searches currently taking place in the Barton Mills area?