If it’s possible to lay a tube map on this map too, it may show a pattern of which tube line(s) run closest to these locations.
On one of the upthread maps you have posted it looked like the district line was a common factor?
Sally Shepherd was walking through Peckham when she was dragged into a builder's yard
www.mylondon.news
"On November 30, she spent an evening visiting friends in Essex, before collecting an Indian takeaway and boarding her bus at New Cross.
During the early hours of December 1, it stopped at Clayton Road, its final destination for passengers, she disembarked and began the walk back to her home on Staffordshire Street."
From this brief review, there was no common route. But it's very easy when travelling by tube to exit one train and get on another. Many stations where there's a good choice for interchange.
Some homeless people will travel around all day on the buses or trains to sleep or stay warm. Back before the oyster card they may have begged for or found tickets and once you're inside the tube system you don't have to keep producing a ticket. Buses it's always been cheap to get an all day rider so you can just go anywhere and keep hopping on and off buses, I have no idea whether this was available back then though. A lot of fair dodgers on buses and trains, not all bus drivers have made an issue of people slipping on and not paying. I've seen a lot of people slipping through train barriers by staying super close to the person in front, again no idea how that was in the 70s.
Lynda Farrow (although there are some strong differences with her, there are also some very strong similarities too which make her manner of death significant so she has to remain a possible victim of this awful man.) Anyway Lynda and Eve were both killed in their own homes in the afternoon with no forced entry, after returning home and nobody else they lived with home (in January and March respectively when it had snowed - due to the fact they were killed so close to each other and both had their throat overly slit and both were gorgeous blondes who had both worked in the West End and both worked as croupiers in gaming rooms, the press tried to link them the murderer by snow, I can't recall right now what reference they used, the snowy killer? *Shrugs*
Anyway indoor killings in the afternoon.
Outdoor killings very late evening to early hours. I haven't checked times of year but I recall some had warm clothing on and I think Lynne was September...let me go and check...ok Sally Shepherd was killed in late November and Elizabeth September.
Nobody in the Summer.
All those killed inside are afternoon, at the beginning of the year, those killed outside, late at night and towards end of the year.
Sometimes a pattern emerges which can point towards when the person is working, like people only killed at the weekend or bank holidays.
When Lynda Farrow was killed there were a lot of strikes on, the 1970s was pretty well known for some pretty major strikes. The Winter of Discontent.
Eve we have more possibilities around her association with her killer,
Either he was a stranger who spotted her and followed her home (without anyone coming forward to say they saw that)
A stalker who may not have known her.
A work colleague.
It was someone she knew, either personally or via someone else, like a friend of one of the band
It was a customer / client via the Playboy club.
Someone who had an issue with her / perceived as an issue by killer, maybe rejection or fear of rejection making them hypersensitive to that.
The news story below
The Daily Telegraph
September 27, 1975
Besides the police looking for some older lady possibly in her 60s, in distinctive rectangle glasses, from Walthamstow hanging around asking questions around Eve's former home, sounds like a possible crank, dubbed a Miss Marple type in her manner and stating she had a lodger who had disappeared after the murder for 3 days, she'd found a blow up doll in his room and when he returned he had dyed his hair and had it cut. The way it reads is that they don't think it's hugely important but would like to rule it out anyway.
The police also stated they had interviewed close to 500 people and taken plus statements of a 1000 plus pages. That they had looked into a wide variety of people including sex offenders, people who supplied , playboys (pretty sure they mean clientele at the club she worked in), models...
On a previous news story they found a book in her room full of names and contact details which it said they were working their way through)
They make a reference to the fact she knew a lot of men and they therefore had a great many alibis to go through. However detective chief superintendent John McFadzean feels the offender is among any if those they have checked.
The pathologist at the inquest said the wounds on her throat were so savage that she was almost decapitated (same said of Lynda Farrows who lived nearby and this is not a common attack or murder method). Eve had been savagely stabbed, her jaw and neck were badly damaged. He mentions her staged appearance although it doesn't say staged. Lying in her side, negligent open revealing her bra and pants on despite recently having sex, which we know the police were, still are conflicted on whether it was rape or consensual (this is not just because of a lack of signs of a break in, the fact two voices were heard which didn't sound in conflict, lack of defence wounds, but the fact they believed she had sex with other people in her home despite having a boyfriend so they weren't sure if that's how things started out). They were unable to obtain the blood group from the semen sample. It says she was gagged. Lynne Weedon had a sock or stocking in her mouth.
Eve's bf John Priest spoke from Holland where he was working, stating he had been very happy with her in their 3 year relationship. That she was getting calls at home before her death where the person would say nothing then hang up, (there was an American serial killer that used to do this to check when the person was at home as well as getting a kick out of scaring people, Zodiac killer?). JP said she was also distressed that someone was following her and loitering around her (could it be they had followed her home on another occasion and found out where she lived previously? I am sure I read somewhere previously something about someone loitering near her home).
As I have said before, I don't disbelieve she may have known the killer, I just take it with a pinch of salt. It could be that the person bluffed their way in or had a knife, well obviously they did as they slit her throat and stabbed her and took the knife with them.when.they left, but people react different ways and nobody knows how they will react until they are in that situation. Someone may try to fight back, or try shouting for help, they may scream and cry, or may go along with what they are told, some people even try to talk to their possible attacker and try to make a connection, persuade them that they're on side, that they aren't someone that they would want to harm. So maybe Eve was trying to be friendly and befriend the man so he wouldn't hurt her. We all react differently. Once she was tied up then she would have been able to do little when he started attacking her.
Maybe he was there by pre-arrangement and Eve didn't know what he was capable of.
Maybe he knew the band and could have gained the home phone number via them or through them giving it to people looking for bookings or work. JP was having to do normal work as they weren't making enough money through the band.
I keep going back in my mind to the comment that he has a pungent odour. That's not something that's said about a pleasant smell. Yet if it were an unwashed, unclean smell why would they be chasing after super rich playboy types who probably wore expensive scent. Maybe sweaty?
View the digital scanned newspaper from The Daily Telegraph dated 24 Mar 1975, page 3.
www.newspapers.com
Daily Telegraph
March 24, 1975
This piece states the bouquet she bought was dropped in the hallway suggesting the killer appeared almost as soon as she got home. This I believe as per what was achieved in the time frame, with her neighbours input and her bf + bandmate / roomie arriving home.
In the Standard it says she left Leytonstone Station at 3.45pm and it's around a 15 minute walk to her flat on Lyndhurst Drive. Eve was seen walking home in the snow around 4pm. The Mirror states Eve arrived home around 4.10pm, 25 minutes from the station seems a bit long unless she stopped to talk or her footwear was totally inappropriate in the snow. The neighbour stated hearing the male and female voices around 4.30pm upstairs and around 5.15 the thump, followed by hearing someone leaving on the stairs
"She arrived home at 4.10pm and around 20 minutes later a downstairs neighbour heard her talking to a man.
At about 5.15pm the same neighbour heard a thud, described as like a chair falling over, then footsteps walking down the stairs to leave the flat.
Just 10 minutes later Tony arrived home with his former bandmate and was met with the horrific scene."
What if they arrived at the same time? If he met her outside and entered with her. There is no mention by her neighbour of hearing the door or anyone arriving, going up the stairs, considering she mentions all these other comings and goings I would think she would have noticed, this isn't a modern building with good soundproofing, plus sound carries more front and upstairs flat down, you have continuous footfall coming from your ceiling for instance and vibration. I've lived in this situation and you can't help hearing almost everything whether you like it or not.
Eve Stratford, 21, wanted to do more than just wait tables as a Playboy Bunny. But just days after telling her manager she wanted to do something else with her life, she was found with her throat slashed so savagely her head was almost severed
Detectives investigating the linked murders of a teenager and a bunny girl are appealing for information to catch the killer on the 40th anniversary of one of the attacks.
www.standard.co.uk
The piece mentions them looking into the rape of Eve's friend and former Bunny girl, Dawn Hibbert, 20.
View the digital scanned newspaper from Evening Standard dated May 13, 1975, page 13.
www.newspapers.com
Evening Standard
May 13, 1975
Described with an odd walk, the stocky and rather short man was said to be slowly walking behind Eve down Lynhurst Drive where she lived. The man was said to walk like someone pregnant, with a wobble so police got the witness to demonstrate how, they surmised that he walked slow, with his feet at odd angles, and hands in his pockets. Another witness saw what it seems they have accepted as being the same person, outside Eve's house, not walking, around 40 mins later. Their descriptions aren't exactly the same, (not unusual from what I've seen in reconstructions on Crimewatch). The first witness described him as short, 5 ft 5" and the second witness described him as 5ft 8". The first witness felt he was late thirties - early forties, the second thought thirty eight to forty. Wearing a ¾ length coat. Very dark short hair, thicker and wavier to the sides of his head. Bushy eyebrows and rosacea.
View the digital scanned newspaper from Evening Standard dated May 13, 1975, page 13.
www.newspapers.com
Evening Standard
May 13, 1975
Described with an odd walk, the stocky and rather short man was said to be slowly walking behind Eve down Lynhurst Drive where she lived. The man was said to walk like someone pregnant, with a wobble so police got the witness to demonstrate how, they surmised that he walked slow, with his feet at odd angles, and hands in his pockets. Another witness saw what it seems they have accepted as being the same person, outside Eve's house, not walking, around 40 mins later. Their descriptions aren't exactly the same, (not unusual from what I've seen in reconstructions on Crimewatch). The first witness described him as short, 5 ft 5" and the second witness described him as 5ft 8". The first witness felt he was late thirties - early forties, the second thought thirty eight to forty. Wearing a ¾ length coat. Very dark short hair, thicker and wavier to the sides of his head. Bushy eyebrows and rosacea.
Some partial maps already exist although they may take in some cold cases that have questions hanging over them, some more than others, on being included. However I'll share what I found anyway.
The map with Hounslow, shows where Lynne and Elizabeth were killed and is from wikipedia. It's located on the entry for Patsy Morris where it's considered if these 3 cold cases are linked considering location, time period...I don't find a strong likeness in Patsy's murder to our unknown killer of Lynne and Eve, unless we decide he really liked to switch up his M.O.
Unless disturbed, Patsy was fully clothed and seemingly not sexually assaulted. In fact she was wearing two pairs of knickers and I'm pretty sure the police would have checked they were both hers to rule out some weird kink of the killer to add clothing. The link to Levi Belfield, his gf at some time, makes some people think she was his first victim, he was often truant and was so that day plus she was found in a place he frequented. Some of his childhood friends apparently felt he wasn't temperamental as a child, this gained from a documentary about him, I can't recall which one. As an adult Levi had a short and violent temper and could be vengeful. It's just weird all these murders would fit Belfield too, much too young though.
The other map comes from the Daily Mail and includes Lynda Farrow who may also have been murdered by contract via the husband she was separated from. The police have considered both options. Most sources say there was no DNA, some say there was, the murder weapon wasn't removed as with most of these ladies. Also Lynda was fully clothed and not raped, it's possible the killer was disturbed.
Police investigating the historic murders of Eve Stratford (pictured), a 22-year-old who worked at London's Playboy club and schoolgirl Lynne Weedon, 16, have launched a fresh appeal for information.
www.dailymail.co.uk
This leaves Sally Shepherd not included in either map as Peckham is partway between the East and West murders plus south of the river (Thames)
Been a long time since I read up on Peter Sutcliffe, but from what I remember he was an opportunistic killer, he didn’t stalk his victims or hide in their house (as far as I can recall anyway). This just doesn’t feel like his MO to me.
There was mention of a bed sit where they found stabbed photos of ES. Was anything uncovered about the occupant (sorry if I missed anything in the thread)
Been a long time since I read up on Peter Sutcliffe, but from what I remember he was an opportunistic killer, he didn’t stalk his victims or hide in their house (as far as I can recall anyway). This just doesn’t feel like his MO to me.
There was mention of a bed sit where they found stabbed photos of ES. Was anything uncovered about the occupant (sorry if I missed anything in the thread)
Yet police haven't progressed. Belfield supposedly confessed to it in prison, he has a habit of saying he did things then denying it. Tobin is another suspect.
It's the timing, who ever went in her flat did so before she went upstairs or her neighbour would have heard and not just IMO. Obviously the witness must not have been watching Eve enter her home.
Also he was seen standing outside Eve's place around the time the killer made his exit, if nothing else then he was a witness.
Btw I agree he sounds like a possible drunk, could that be purposeful to disguise himself? It actually said rosy complection but I had to change the words around.
Lynda Farrow’s murder has been connected to Peter Sutcliffe and other notorious killers
www.mylondon.news
''Witnesses had described seeing a man lingering in the area, wearing a lumber jacket and a cowboy hat, but he was never traced. There were also four unidentified palm prints around the door frame and a witness had seen a man running up the road during that time period.''
Been a long time since I read up on Peter Sutcliffe, but from what I remember he was an opportunistic killer, he didn’t stalk his victims or hide in their house (as far as I can recall anyway). This just doesn’t feel like his MO to me.
There was mention of a bed sit where they found stabbed photos of ES. Was anything uncovered about the occupant (sorry if I missed anything in the thread)
To clarify a little. Most of these girls / women, apart from PM, were at one time or still are suspected of being PT victims, Eve and Lynne were ruled out by DNA and were killed by the same person, unknown. What some of us are looking at is other possible victims of this killer based on who, how, where, why...he is known to have killed along with people suspected to have been killed by PS in the London or surrounding area since both killers were so brutal and in Lynne's case he bludgeoned her on the back of the head and dragged her off before raping, stabbing I've read somewhere, gagging her by putting her pants in her mouth, posing her and mutilating her face, chest and stomach then posing her.
Elizabeth Parravicini was killed in a similar way two years later and 25 mins walk away, 6 minutes by car, both of them just off the same main road. Police have also theorized the fact she may well be a victim.
Lynda Farrow, murdered a few minutes from where Eve was in a very similar fashion, throat cut inside her home, no sign of break in, head almost decapitated so much was the violence, both when snowing out... police have theorized it may be the same person.
Sally Fielding killed away from the others, around half way between where the others were killed, very similar to how Lynne and Elizabeth were killed. I read in at least one source police had considered her possibly being killed by the same person that killed Lynne. But I can't find the source now so *shrug*.
All were attractive, fair haired or blonde, weirdly all wearing jeans or denim trousers (ignore Lynda as I am not sure what she was wearing) all we have seen so far who were sexually assaulted had their footwear and trousers /jeans removed. Police think Elizabeth's Jean's were so tight that it prevented the killer being able to get them off. They think Lynda's killer may have been disturbed.
In Lynne and Eve's case the murder weapon was removed. A knife with Eve and an iron bar or hammer or crowbar with Lynne.
No weapon was found with Sally and I don't think there was with Elizabeth either. The knife was left with Lynda...maybe because he was disturbed and forgot it, maybe because in that case it was hers not his. Maybe he didn't like it as a weapon. Maybe it was another killer.
There are distinct connections.
PS is superfluous except in that people often thought he killed these people. There are no proven murders by Sutcliffe in London. But he did travel to London at times for work and for his wife.
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