GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #1

[Tortoise]

Who does this remind you of............. Nathan and Shauna with their video and take away

Stewart, who has two sons, Jamie, 24, and 21-year-old Oliver, had watched one of them play a bowls match on the night of his fiancee’s death. He later collected a Chinese takeaway.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/helen-baileys-beloved-dog-killed-9600128

His operation to remove part of his intestine two weeks prior didn't appear to affect his eating then. I seem to remember he dined out with Helen that weekend too.

I'm also surprised that he managed to carry Helen out of the house too, post-operation.

 

[mrazda71]

What do you think the chances are that he won't take the stand? We know that can be held against him but you seem to be describing very well someone who no longer has an air of confidence and I imagine with all the evidence against him he might choose not to face cross examination. Maybe he will even throw in the towel.

I hope I'm recalling correctly but, I think Stephen Beadman who raped and murdered 15 year old Kayleigh Haywood refused to take the stand for any defense. Not sure if it was him or not but, someone fairly recently I recall refused to attend part of their trial at all.

 

[Alyce]

Me too. She did know that something was wrong because her internet history showed searches e.g. "why am I so tired?", "why am I falling asleep in the afternoon" etc and she spoke to her mother about this and about being forgetful - she was very upset because she "left" Boris on the beach one day and suddenly remembered and had to go back for him.
But how could you begin to consider that your partner/man you love is drugging you?

I mentioned earlier that he probably told her it was menopausal / hormones, that kind of thing. Remember the website with his nasty digs about super star IS is preparing to marry the old menopausal woman.

 

[Alyce]

His operation to remove part of his intestine two weeks prior didn't appear to affect his eating then. I seem to remember he dined out with Helen that weekend too.

I'm also surprised that he managed to carry Helen out of the house too, post-operation.

I think the operation was in January ( will have to look back and check ) and he got the all clear in early April - hence the dining out with Helen to celebrate that week end.

Re the carrying......... I always thought he might have used a car - take Helen and Boris out the front door, put into car, drive round to garage. Also would help if someone just happened to be looking out of the window ( house to left of Helen's had upstairs windows that had line of sight to the garage. Long shot I know that someone just happened to be looking out, but not impossible.

Having said that, if Helen was killed in the bedroom, which sounds as though it was the location, due to the evidence re duvet and pillow case, then he still had to carry her downstairs. Given his size and level of fitness ( very low by the looks of him ) that must have been hard. No wonder he wanted to do the killing early in the day, allowing himself plenty of time to tidy up.

 

[Alyce]

I hope I'm recalling correctly but, I think Stephen Beadman who raped and murdered 15 year old Kayleigh Haywood refused to take the stand for any defense. Not sure if it was him or not but, someone fairly recently I recall refused to attend part of their trial at all.

Yes, you're right , it was Beadman. Not only that, he declined to even sit in the Court, except on the few days when it was mandatory for him to do so. I dont think that would have impressed the Jury one bit.

slightly OT, but the full VT of Kayleigh's story has now been released. Makes harrowing viewing but definately hope it will be a warning to other young girls.

 

[JerricaBenton]

Just posting my thanks to everyone updating the thread!

 

[jessie]

Me too ^^ Thanks Alyce, Tortoise, Michelle and everyone else for keeping us so well informed. You're all stars. x

 

[LozDa]

Have we got the friend of Helen verified yet?

I only ask because I would rather the statement made about the circumstances of the first wife's death was not taken as fact just yet. I'm just wondering (respectfully) how a friend of Helen could know that there were no signs of foul play or that it definitely was an epileptic fit...? They would be taking Helen's word for it, which would, I presume, have come from IS/.

Anyway, it would be good to get verification and have that bit cleared up, just because I don't want that part of things to be dismissed when, to me, it hasn't yet been explained or made clear that there were definitely no suspicious circumstances.

I don't say any of this to be at odds with the request to be respectful of the two sons; I absolutely feel that they should be protected and nurtured at this time. But I don't feel this should happen at the expense of the truth.

JMO.

On a separate note; thank you to all who are updating with the court proceedings. I had thought it was planned to some extent, but not to the degree it obviously has been! My assumption was that he had known she was planning to leave him and didn't want to give up the lifestyle. But I thought planed as in like a day or two! Not the calculated planning that's being evidenced. Urgh. I wonder how long this has actually been planned for.

At first, I found the idea of the secret engagement odd. Why propose when in the midst of planning to kill her and not tell people, including the sons? Well, didn't we hear the idea that Helen had been telling friends she was thinking of leaving IS? What better way to reassure her to stay than to propose. I bet this used the boys as an excuse to keep the engagement quiet, but in reality it wasn't a real engagement, just an opportunity to fulfil his plans. Disgusting.

 

[lore1]

what time does court resume must be soon?

 

[Alyce]

I think the operation was in January ( will have to look back and check ) and he got the all clear in early April - hence the dining out with Helen to celebrate that week end.

Re the carrying......... I always thought he might have used a car - take Helen and Boris out the front door, put into car, drive round to garage. Also would help if someone just happened to be looking out of the window ( house to left of Helen's had upstairs windows that had line of sight to the garage. Long shot I know that someone just happened to be looking out, but not impossible.

Having said that, if Helen was killed in the bedroom, which sounds as though it was the location, due to the evidence re duvet and pillow case, then he still had to carry her downstairs. Given his size and level of fitness ( very low by the looks of him ) that must have been hard. No wonder he wanted to do the killing early in the day, allowing himself plenty of time to tidy up.

Am too late to edit this, so having to quote myself ..... cant find the info re the operation being in January, so may have been later in the year. The only thing I do remember from Helen's blog/tweets is the info that he had got the all clear round about beginning of April, and that meal at the week end was them out celebrating the good news.

And, that just made me think - horrible thought, but I wonder if that was the trigger for him to act ? He felt sufficiently recovered from his op, he knew he was all ok, health wise - time to move on with the plan. If that is true, then it means that he didnt begin his plan to kill her because he thought he only had a short time left to live and wanted the money quickly. He simply planned to kill her because he wanted the money, full stop...and not Helen.

 

[Alyce]

what time does court resume must be soon?

Here's the CourtServe listing for today


The Crown Court

at St Albans
Daily List for Wednesday 11 January 2017 at BRICKET ROAD ST ALBANS


Court 1 - sitting at 10:00 AM

HIS HONOUR JUDGE BRIGHT QC
Trial (Part Heard)

T20167121 STEWART Ian
41E12190616

PAPER FILE

 

[lore1]

prehaps the firming up of the wedding plans triggered the murder..he really didn`t need to marry Helen to get her money (the will left him alot) by murdering her of course he gets two things the money and freedom

 

[lore1]

thank you

 

[mrazda71]

Yes, you're right , it was Beadman. Not only that, he declined to even sit in the Court, except on the few days when it was mandatory for him to do so. I dont think that would have impressed the Jury one bit.

slightly OT, but the full VT of Kayleigh's story has now been released. Makes harrowing viewing but definately hope it will be a warning to other young girls.

And to parents too! I have 3 daughters 24, 21 & 18 and a son who's 8.
Parent HAVE to know everything they can about social media, apps, how things work and don't be afraid to say 'give your phone or password' if they're concerned - it's not snooping if done right, it's being a responsible parent.
I've always told my girls I trust them unless they break that trust and then it's my duty to do whatever it takes to keep them safe.

From what we've heard so far, I'm surprised Ian has the nerve to sit there pleading not guilty with the evidence stacked against him just from day 1!

 

[Alyce]

Have we got the friend of Helen verified yet?

I only ask because I would rather the statement made about the circumstances of the first wife's death was not taken as fact just yet. I'm just wondering (respectfully) how a friend of Helen could know that there were no signs of foul play or that it definitely was an epileptic fit...? They would be taking Helen's word for it, which would, I presume, have come from IS/.

Anyway, it would be good to get verification and have that bit cleared up, just because I don't want that part of things to be dismissed when, to me, it hasn't yet been explained or made clear that there were definitely no suspicious circumstances.

I don't say any of this to be at odds with the request to be respectful of the two sons; I absolutely feel that they should be protected and nurtured at this time. But I don't feel this should happen at the expense of the truth.

JMO.

On a separate note; thank you to all who are updating with the court proceedings. I had thought it was planned to some extent, but not to the degree it obviously has been! My assumption was that he had known she was planning to leave him and didn't want to give up the lifestyle. But I thought planed as in like a day or two! Not the calculated planning that's being evidenced. Urgh. I wonder how long this has actually been planned for.

At first, I found the idea of the secret engagement odd. Why propose when in the midst of planning to kill her and not tell people, including the sons? Well, didn't we hear the idea that Helen had been telling friends she was thinking of leaving IS? What better way to reassure her to stay than to propose. I bet this used the boys as an excuse to keep the engagement quiet, but in reality it wasn't a real engagement, just an opportunity to fulfil his plans. Disgusting.
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~Agree with all the above LozDa. And the secrecy surrounding the engagement. Why would a couple who are apparently in love and planning to marry not want to tell the two other people who are sharing Helen's home with them ?

 

[Alyce]

current property value for Hartwell Lodge in Royston.


45 Baldock Road, Royston, SG8 5BJ

Key data

Valuation Estimate £1,747,100

Freehold
Detached
Built 1900

 

[Tortoise]

Have we got the friend of Helen verified yet?

I only ask because I would rather the statement made about the circumstances of the first wife's death was not taken as fact just yet. I'm just wondering (respectfully) how a friend of Helen could know that there were no signs of foul play or that it definitely was an epileptic fit...? They would be taking Helen's word for it, which would, I presume, have come from IS/.

Anyway, it would be good to get verification and have that bit cleared up, just because I don't want that part of things to be dismissed when, to me, it hasn't yet been explained or made clear that there were definitely no suspicious circumstances.

I don't say any of this to be at odds with the request to be respectful of the two sons; I absolutely feel that they should be protected and nurtured at this time. But I don't feel this should happen at the expense of the truth.

JMO.

On a separate note; thank you to all who are updating with the court proceedings. I had thought it was planned to some extent, but not to the degree it obviously has been! My assumption was that he had known she was planning to leave him and didn't want to give up the lifestyle. But I thought planed as in like a day or two! Not the calculated planning that's being evidenced. Urgh. I wonder how long this has actually been planned for.

At first, I found the idea of the secret engagement odd. Why propose when in the midst of planning to kill her and not tell people, including the sons? Well, didn't we hear the idea that Helen had been telling friends she was thinking of leaving IS? What better way to reassure her to stay than to propose. I bet this used the boys as an excuse to keep the engagement quiet, but in reality it wasn't a real engagement, just an opportunity to fulfil his plans. Disgusting.

I agree LozDa. I already had doubts about his first wife's COD, and now we're hearing how much planning went into this and therefore more about the nature of him, it is even more pertinent that this may be his MO.

I've thought more on his motive for killing Helen, and I'm drawn back to the time we know at least he started to set his plan in action. January. And January was when Helen hinted in her blog that she was getting cold feet. I think it is linked, and he didn't want to take the risk that Helen at any time could change her POA and her will without him knowing.

 

[Tortoise]

[FONT=&quot]10:19
[h=3]Legal argument[/h]There is a short legal argument taking place before proceedings are once again opened and jurors come into the court room.

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[FONT=&quot]10:09
[h=3]Case called on[/h]The case has been called on and we are now waiting for the judge and then the jurors. Ian Stewart is sat in the dock, wearing a pale blue shirt today.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-day-12435557


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[Tortoise]

[FONT=&quot]10:32[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][h=3]Ready to go[/h]Jurors are now coming back in and court proceedings are about to start once again for the second day.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-day-12435557

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[jessie]

Am too late to edit this, so having to quote myself ..... cant find the info re the operation being in January, so may have been later in the year. The only thing I do remember from Helen's blog/tweets is the info that he had got the all clear round about beginning of April, and that meal at the week end was them out celebrating the good news.

And, that just made me think - horrible thought, but I wonder if that was the trigger for him to act ? He felt sufficiently recovered from his op, he knew he was all ok, health wise - time to move on with the plan. If that is true, then it means that he didnt begin his plan to kill her because he thought he only had a short time left to live and wanted the money quickly. He simply planned to kill her because he wanted the money, full stop...and not Helen.

Interesting. I read in MSM last night that toxicology showed Helen had been taking Zopiclone since at least February 2016.
I will try and find it again.