GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #3

[cottonweaver]

Am assuming that the hearing continues today?

 

[Squamous]

I think in fairness to her bereavement coach I read the question she posed "how will you feel if in two years time he is with someone else" as a philosophical question. In that it wasn't a pressure but a question for Helen to explore and think about. That if she decided to go ahead with a new relationship with this man that it wasn't a crime for her to do so.

I don't know if Helen was an impulsive person but I suspect not given that she was very careful with money. Ha! I am sooo not like Helen...impulsive as anything as my bank account sometimes shows. I get the impression that Helen thought about things though and I don't think anyone could have pushed her into this relationship if she didn't feel she wanted to. She obviously DID have doubts at times as her blog showed. The move from London being just one example of a big change where she second guessed herself a couple of times but ultimately she went.




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This is what Helen says - it doesn't sound like she felt the coach was very neutral -

I talked again to my bereavement coach. She asked what I liked about The Widower. I reeled off a long list of his qualities. She asked me what I didn’t like. There was nothing about him I didn’t like. What I didn’t like was that he had come into my life now. It was too soon, not part of my plan. She said, “OK, don’t see him for another eighteen months or two years or whatever time scale you think is appropriate. Then look him up and when you find he is happy with someone else, we’ll deal with your tears of regret then.”

 

[cottonweaver]

I do wonder if the issue with the bereavement counsellor also stems from the fact that she was a "life coach"?

 

[cottonweaver]

Quote Originally Posted by michelle230 View Post
I believe he was asked what he thought his father meant when he said he had "been dealt with" and that`s when he said they didn`t discuss it as no time and other things to talk about...

That doesn't add up to me. He could have followed it up with a further visit or letter or phone call.

:websleuther:

 

[Squamous]

I do wonder if the issue with the bereavement counsellor also stems from the fact that she was a "life coach"?

Yes, and Helen specifically wanted coaching rather than counselling. I know I'm being harsh blaming the coach though!

I've been watching this ahead of today's evidence to try and get my thoughts out of the pit and back to the person and dog who will hopefully eventually be remembered more for their lives than their deaths:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9GPdcxTs0oE

 

[pinklilies]

I still think it's extremely telling that their RL relationship began with a "genuine misunderstanding" where IS turned up and caught Helen off guard and unawares in her dressing gown. She had no chance to steel herself, appraise him critically, anything. And with what we know now, I'm sure that was deliberate.]
RSBM

Could anyone tell me the story behind this please? Why did he just turn up? How did he know where she lived?
What does RL stand for?
Thanks in advance

 

[Squamous]

I still think it's extremely telling that their RL relationship began with a "genuine misunderstanding" where IS turned up and caught Helen off guard and unawares in her dressing gown. She had no chance to steel herself, appraise him critically, anything. And with what we know now, I'm sure that was deliberate.]
RSBM

Could anyone tell me the story behind this please? Why did he just turn up? How did he know where she lived?
What does RL stand for?
Thanks in advance

Sorry, RL = real life.

This is all there is in the blog/book, though Helen may have said more elsewhere:

As it turned out and due to a genuine misunderstanding between us, I met The Widower when I was least expecting to, as demonstrated by my outfit. Instead of the carefully thrown together, glossy-haired understated tons-of-make-up no-make-up look, we first came eye-to-eye when I was wearing shrunken tracksuit bottoms, bare feet, a stripy dressing gown, wet hair and no make-up.

From http://planetgrief.com/2012/05/17/painful-pleasure/

 

[Annad]

RL is real life, I think. As well as IRL - in real life.

 

[Cherwell]

In other words, when they had arranged to meet in person for the first time, he turned up at her house well before the agreed time.

 

[Squamous]

In other words, when they had arranged to meet in person for the first time, he turned up at her house well before the agreed time.

Or possibly on a different day.

 

[scapa]

They may as well be written in code lol. No idea what the posts are about but definitely looks like it could be him with it being computer related. Do we have any computer experts who can explain what he's asking about?

Could it be related to anything Helen had posted anywhere that he was trying to remove? Or to anything of his that he wanted to delete ?... or is just some irrelevant subject that he was preoccupied with both before and after Helen's death?

Found April 9
http://chipkit.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3651

Found April 13
http://chipkit.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3653

Sleuths, found a 'Sykic' posting here. Not positive same and can't find actual links. May be interesting from the seeming dates given on search for two posts: April 9 2016 6.15pm and April 13 2016 6.23pm

http://chipkit.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=13

MPLab is a development environment. ChipKits sells a range of mostly user-developed integrated kits for a vast range of applications, sometimes integrated and sometimes bolt-ons to existing machines -- you can find a kit that will function as a burglar alarm, say, or to convert an old PC into a gaming console. Some are likely to be fairly simple and some high-level, from hobbyists to more serious builders and developers looking to trial new ideas without spending a ton.

I've only scanned these quickly but Sykic seems to be focused on a build he's working on (building, debugging) and is looking for info on whether or not MPLab is still supported. The gear he's describing (boards, etc) would support a wide range of projects.

 

[pinklilies]

Yes, and Helen specifically wanted coaching rather than counselling. I know I'm being harsh blaming the coach though!

I've been watching this ahead of today's evidence to try and get my thoughts out of the pit and back to the person and dog who will hopefully eventually be remembered more for their lives than their deaths:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9GPdcxTs0oE

Thanks for this, it's a lovely reminder of who she really was, instead of the over anxious, terribly worried, unconfident woman described by IS. And, we get to see the real Boris too ☺ poignantly, she's wearing a black and white striped top.

 

[Tortoise]

Just a few additional tweets from Friday

Laughter at St Albans Crown Court as prosecutor tells judge the next witness, a police dog handler, is keen to introduce the canine to jury

Judge Andrew Bright determines it would be sensible for the cocker spaniel to remain in the car outside.

At conclusion of the witness's evidence, the judge tells him: "Thank you very much - and thank your dog for us, will you?"

https://twitter.com/JackHardy9

 

[Squamous]

Thanks for this, it's a lovely reminder of who she really was, instead of the over anxious, terribly worried, unconfident woman described by IS. And, we get to see the real Boris too ☺ poignantly, she's wearing a black and white striped top.

I was thrilled to see Boris, what a gorgeous dog he was!

I love the idea of the dog handler wanting to bring his dog into court, it would be a very Helen trial with a pooch present.

 

[cottonweaver]

Judge is a dog lover ! Oh dear....

 

[Florrie]

This is what Helen says - it doesn't sound like she felt the coach was very neutral -

Ah thanks for that...yes it's a bit pressured isn't it? I didn't realise how loaded that question was. A bit too loaded.


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[cottonweaver]

must have missed this bit before

His trial previously heard that on the morning of her disappearance, she had been planning the couple’s wedding. But Stewart later told officers that Bailey had been “concerned” that he did not want to marry her, the court was told.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/17/helen-bailey-murder-trial-childrens-author

 

[Duchy]

Judge is a dog lover ! Oh dear....

Yay! :jail:

 

[Squamous]

Is court sitting today? I thought so but can't find updates anywhere.

 

[Tortoise]

Details:Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:05

http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/St-Albans-Crown-Court.php