GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #4

[MillyM]

Tara will be back in court next week reporting, so presumably the next two days will be down to Josh again or Tom.

 

[Interested Bystander]

There was a mention of MGravis, but the reporting today has been so * condensed* ( polite word ) that there is only this snippet - which presumably is the Defence trying to show that IS is not well enough to do any DIY or manual work.

Myasthenia gravis
Simon Russell Flint, defending: “After April 11 you were told they were planning to get married? It was a secret - other people needed to be told?”
Mr Priest: “It was a secret.”

Mr Russell Flint: “Myasthenia gravis and other issues. You knew Mr Stewart had collapsed before and was unable to work. The house itself had not had much done to it?”
Mr Priest: “It was a lovely house but it needed some work done to it. Helen liked decorating.”

I don't know how his MG is going to play out in the proceedings. However he may well not have been able to work. That is very common with MG. I had to give up because I could not hold a pen or speak more than a sentence because my jaw muscles were so weak. My neurologist insisted I should not work as I as it would be detrimental. There are obviously varying levels of the disease and it is helped greatly by the correct medication and thymectomy but due to the medication only being effective for a certain length of time (that also varies from patient to patient) weakness is constantly on the horizon.

Mr Buczaki was a general surgeon and would know very little about MG which he was honest enough to admit. It is a disease that most GPs never see in their entire practice life.

 

[Interested Bystander]

I think the only thing that's been mentioned about the MG so far is the defence asking the bowel man if the condition might make IS randomly grin at police officers under questioning. Well, not in so many words but that's what they were driving at.

With MG a normal smile is very difficult due to the weak facial muscles. What happens is that a grin can look almost like a smirk/grimace. If his medication was low he most certainly would have had a problem with producing a normal smile but, having said that, any sort of smile would be odd, in my mind, given the situation he found himself.

 

[DollyDiamond]

Yup.I wonder did he plan to not set the alarm so he could argue HB was still there alive and well when he left or is it just a stroke of luck.

Hate to say it, but as someone else already suggested, it's possible he couldn't set the alarm because he hadn't yet had time to 'deal with' Boris and he was still running around the house and could have triggered the alarm. Awful thought but very possible.

 

[DollyDiamond]

Apologies if you feel this has already been dealt with but I just did an experiment with one of the Zoplicone tablets in my bedside drawer. First of all, it easily disintegrates to a fine powder when crushed on my kitchen counter with the back of a teaspoon. I then made a cup of traditional tea, as Helen enjoyed. The tablet dissolved in it beautifully, no evidence to the naked eye that the tea had been doctored. I then took a tiny sip. BLEUCH! Powerful - no disguising that revolting bitterness, not even if you had added a ton of sugar - it was undrinkable. I actually felt sick from the tiny sip and had to immediately brush my teeth and scrape my tongue, and I'm now drinking a fresh cup of tea with honey to cleanse my palate. This convinces me Helen did not swallow those tablets in any drink or food but that he was hiding them within her usual supplements.

 

[Rayemonde]

IS was probably just so flustered rushing around getting rid of evidence and building his alibi that he forgot to set the alarm when he went out to the tip and the nurse...if he normally always remembered to set it when he went out, it shows that there was something unusual about that day that made him forget.

 

[DollyDiamond]

Interesting thought.
A clever person would have realised they could not set the alarm - but I don't put him in that category.

Also ...
We know IS must have departed at about 5.30pm to get to the bowls by 6pm - but would not set the alarm because OS was at home.
We also know that OS would depart round about 6.30pm to go to cadets.

Was OS in the habit of setting the alarm when he went out ?
If yes, then shouldn't he have been asked about what he did on this evening ?

By his own account he said he didnt see Helen or Boris when he was at home that evening.
He also said there was no discussion with his father about Helen or Boris on that evening.
So he didn't actually know whether they were home or not.

Wouldnt he have done a quick check so that he would know whether or not to set the alarm ?

Yet again I am left feeling it is incredible that there was no discussion whatsoever between IS and his sons on Monday April 11th about the whereabouts of Helen and Boris, and that those conversations did not take place until Tuesday, when, apparently, the 'Gone to Broadstairs' note was first discussed. Sorry - doesn't smell right.

 

[Alyce]

Apologies if you feel this has already been dealt with but I just did an experiment with one of the Zoplicone tablets in my bedside drawer. First of all, it easily disintegrates to a fine powder when crushed on my kitchen counter with the back of a teaspoon. I then made a cup of traditional tea, as Helen enjoyed. The tablet dissolved in it beautifully, no evidence to the naked eye that the tea had been doctored. I then took a tiny sip. BLEUCH! Powerful - no disguising that revolting bitterness, not even if you had added a ton of sugar - it was undrinkable. I actually felt sick from the tiny sip and had to immediately brush my teeth and scrape my tongue, and I'm now drinking a fresh cup of tea with honey to cleanse my palate. This convinces me Helen did not swallow those tablets in any drink or food but that he was hiding them within her usual supplements.

Thanks for that Dolly - true dedication !

This would also explain why Helen was still having * incidents* when IS was in hospital. The stress of him being there, plus her father being ill at the same time, she was probably taking a few more herbal tablets than usual.

 

[cottonweaver]

With MG a normal smile is very difficult due to the weak facial muscles. What happens is that a grin can look almost like a smirk/grimace. If his medication was low he most certainly would have had a problem with producing a normal smile but, having said that, any sort of smile would be odd, in my mind, given the situation he found himself.

an u take a look at these IB. the only existing shots of IS smiling and see what you think. They look entirely natural , unhindered smiles to me.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=i...Y0uC7M:;azrJE1H04eITPM:&imgrc=-_fZ4sKzY0uC7M:

 

[snoopydog]

Apologies if you feel this has already been dealt with but I just did an experiment with one of the Zoplicone tablets in my bedside drawer. First of all, it easily disintegrates to a fine powder when crushed on my kitchen counter with the back of a teaspoon. I then made a cup of traditional tea, as Helen enjoyed. The tablet dissolved in it beautifully, no evidence to the naked eye that the tea had been doctored. I then took a tiny sip. BLEUCH! Powerful - no disguising that revolting bitterness, not even if you had added a ton of sugar - it was undrinkable. I actually felt sick from the tiny sip and had to immediately brush my teeth and scrape my tongue, and I'm now drinking a fresh cup of tea with honey to cleanse my palate. This convinces me Helen did not swallow those tablets in any drink or food but that he was hiding them within her usual supplements.

I wonder if she had one of these .....http://www.careco.co.uk/item-p-dl08...PLACampaigns&gclid=CKb3ofOq79ECFcG77QodxkcE7Q would be easy enough to organise what day she took what on.... although I'm still thinking the Monday wasn't the day he wanted to kill her which still makes me think it's linked to her taking tablets for an intermittent ailment e.g. Headache


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[hunkerdown]

Apologies if you feel this has already been dealt with but I just did an experiment with one of the Zoplicone tablets in my bedside drawer. First of all, it easily disintegrates to a fine powder when crushed on my kitchen counter with the back of a teaspoon. I then made a cup of traditional tea, as Helen enjoyed. The tablet dissolved in it beautifully, no evidence to the naked eye that the tea had been doctored. I then took a tiny sip. BLEUCH! Powerful - no disguising that revolting bitterness, not even if you had added a ton of sugar - it was undrinkable. I actually felt sick from the tiny sip and had to immediately brush my teeth and scrape my tongue, and I'm now drinking a fresh cup of tea with honey to cleanse my palate. This convinces me Helen did not swallow those tablets in any drink or food but that he was hiding them within her usual supplements.

Dolly - this is above and beyond, brilliant!


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[ColourPurple]

Yet again I am left feeling it is incredible that there was no discussion whatsoever between IS and his sons on Monday April 11th about the whereabouts of Helen and Boris, and that those conversations did not take place until Tuesday, when, apparently, the 'Gone to Broadstairs' note was first discussed. Sorry - doesn't smell right.

I would have liked to know where Boris normally slept. Did he sleep with Helen and IS in their bedroom or did he sleep downstairs.And if he did sleep in their bedroom was it usual for him to go up to bed with Helen earlier if IS was still up and about downstairs?

 

[DollyDiamond]

Dolly - this is above and beyond, brilliant!


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I have got waaay too much time on my hands, lol!

 

[ColourPurple]

Apologies if you feel this has already been dealt with but I just did an experiment with one of the Zoplicone tablets in my bedside drawer. First of all, it easily disintegrates to a fine powder when crushed on my kitchen counter with the back of a teaspoon. I then made a cup of traditional tea, as Helen enjoyed. The tablet dissolved in it beautifully, no evidence to the naked eye that the tea had been doctored. I then took a tiny sip. BLEUCH! Powerful - no disguising that revolting bitterness, not even if you had added a ton of sugar - it was undrinkable. I actually felt sick from the tiny sip and had to immediately brush my teeth and scrape my tongue, and I'm now drinking a fresh cup of tea with honey to cleanse my palate. This convinces me Helen did not swallow those tablets in any drink or food but that he was hiding them within her usual supplements.

Really helpful.Thank you.

The things us Websleuthers do eh! lol

 

[Tortoise]

Really helpful.Thank you.

The things us Websleuthers do eh! lol

Yes, as Legally Bland can confirm, I practiced strangling my 19 year old son for another case I'm on.

 

[DollyDiamond]

Really helpful.Thank you.

The things us Websleuthers do eh! lol

It may well be an experiment IS tried too, which told him Helen's supplements were the best option.

 

[DollyDiamond]

Yes, as Legally Bland can confirm, I practiced strangling my son for another case I'm on.

Ha! Ha! Ha! Well, that's what you told the nice policeman anyway, lol!

 

[Cherwell]

That's just weird, isn't it? We know he read the blog and the book only has a chapter or two that isn't in the blog. I can't imagine an author would tell their partner not to read their published work, especially with all the promo she was having to do.

Catching up.

I suppose it's possible that she might have said something like,
"Don't read it if you think it will upset you."

I can imagine that.

 

[snoopydog]

It may well be an experiment IS tried too, which told him Helen's supplements were the best option.

I'd love to know IF she had any supplements that were capsules. A lot of herbal stuff isn't.... which would lead back to they had to be hidden in a medication she did take. Eg the paracetamol.


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[DollyDiamond]

an u take a look at these IB. the only existing shots of IS smiling and see what you think. They look entirely natural , unhindered smiles to me.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=i...Y0uC7M:;azrJE1H04eITPM:&imgrc=-_fZ4sKzY0uC7M:

Yes indeed, good evidence. There is nothing amiss with those smiles - only the man!